Roach: Not Sure If Pacquiao is Mad at Me - I Haven't Been Paid

[Enlightened-One]

Check out the post where Manny is quoted as saying that Arum is the one that pays Roach's salary for the fight. This makes Roach's comment even more ridiculous than I already thought that it was.

Under normal circumstances, there isn’t a business or contractual relationship between a promoter and a fighter’s trainer.

The promoter usually pays the boxers agreed upon purses regardless of winning or losing.

When the boxer receives his purse money, he must then give his manager, trainer, cutmen and other people their share.

There is no reason (unless there was prior agreement) for a wealthy man like Pacquiao to not compensate Freddie Roach immediately for the work that he’s performed.

It is abundantly clear that Freddie Roach was expecting to receive his money from Manny Pacquaio, regardless as to whether the Filipino has been paid or not, since his contractual relationship is with his fighter, not Bob Arum.

I personally doubt that Bob Arum is legally responsible for compensating Freddie Roach for all of his efforts. Manny is almost certainly contractually liable for this duty.

I only read Pacquiao’s response to Roach’s claims after I submitted my previous response, but there are two facts that cannot be refuted, which are: Manny hasn’t spoken to his trainer and nor has he paid him either.

To go one step further with your analogy...what if after your performance at your job resulted in yet another horrible decision in which most people felt that you won but the judges stole it from you. Would you be happy and go lucky to go give these "ah shucks" interviews. Manny just got a head full of stitches in a nasty rumble in which no one, not even his coach or promoter, had his back afterwards.

There is no evidence to suggest that Freddie Roach is personally responsible for Pacquiao’s underwhelming performance against Jeff Horn. However, there is a lot of compelling evidence that strongly suggests that Manny’s commitment to boxing is waning.

So to answer your question, Freddie Roach expects his fighter to pay him and to also speak to him… and this is not an unreasonable request for a trainer to make.

Roach’s only contractual responsibility is to train his fighter.

There won’t be a gagging order between Manny and Freddie that compels the legendary trainer to refrain from articulating his honest opinion after the bout has taken place, which includes a contractual stipulation that allows the Filipino to withhold any payments to Roach if he breaches this condition.

Posted on July 12, 2017
Koncz expresses shock over Roach’s claim

By Nick Giongco

Mike Koncz, the Canadian adviser of Manny Pacquiao, yesterday called the attention of Hall of Fame trainer Freddie Roach on the issue of the alleged non-payment of his professional fee following the Jeff Horn fight last week in Brisbane, Australia. “For the last five years, we have instructed our promoter to deduct said payment from our guaranteed purse and this is how our corner has been paid,” said Koncz yesterday after an article on Sports Illustrated reported that Roach has yet to collect his payment.

“If Freddie had some concern, he should have brought it up with Manny and not in the media,” said Koncz, noting that the fee of conditioning coach Justin Fortune and cutman Miguel Diaz also get theirs from the promoter.

Koncz said Pacquiao has a payment scheme that sees to it that Roach and the others receive theirs from the promoter.

“That’s how we pay them the last five years,” he said.

That's an interesting article. It doesn't really undermine any of my claims, since all I did was explain the usual situation, with my explanation including a couple of caveats.

That being said, the response articulated by Michael Koncz is a little confusing, because Freddie has already said that Manny Pacquiao won't even say "hi" to him.

[caldo2025]

Under normal circumstances, there isn’t a business or contractual relationship between a promoter and a fighter’s trainer.

The promoter usually pays the boxers agreed upon purses regardless of winning or losing.

When the boxer receives his purse money, he must then give his manager, trainer, cutmen and other people their share.

There is no reason (unless there was prior agreement) for a wealthy man like Pacquiao to not compensate Freddie Roach immediately for the work that he’s performed.

It is abundantly clear that Freddie Roach was expecting to receive his money from Manny Pacquaio, regardless as to whether the Filipino has been paid or not, since his contractual relationship is with his fighter, not Bob Arum.

I personally doubt that Bob Arum is legally responsible for compensating Freddie Roach for all of his efforts. Manny is almost certainly contractually liable for this duty.

I only read Pacquiao’s response to Roach’s claims after I submitted my previous response, but there are two facts that cannot be refuted, which are: Manny hasn’t spoken to his trainer and nor has he paid him either.

There is no evidence to suggest that Freddie Roach is personally responsible for Pacquiao’s underwhelming performance against Jeff Horn. However, there is a lot of compelling evidence that strongly suggests that Manny’s commitment to boxing is waning.

So to answer your question, Freddie Roach expects his fighter to pay him and to also speak to him… and this is not an unreasonable request for a trainer to make.

Roach’s only contractual responsibility is to train his fighter.

There won’t be a gagging order between Manny and Freddie that compels the legendary trainer to refrain from articulating his honest opinion after the bout has taken place, which includes a contractual stipulation that allows the Filipino to withhold any payments to Roach if he breaches this condition.

Posted on July 12, 2017
Koncz expresses shock over Roach’s claim

By Nick Giongco

Mike Koncz, the Canadian adviser of Manny Pacquiao, yesterday called the attention of Hall of Fame trainer Freddie Roach on the issue of the alleged non-payment of his professional fee following the Jeff Horn fight last week in Brisbane, Australia. “For the last five years, we have instructed our promoter to deduct said payment from our guaranteed purse and this is how our corner has been paid,” said Koncz yesterday after an article on Sports Illustrated reported that Roach has yet to collect his payment.

“If Freddie had some concern, he should have brought it up with Manny and not in the media,” said Koncz, noting that the fee of conditioning coach Justin Fortune and cutman Miguel Diaz also get theirs from the promoter.

Koncz said Pacquiao has a payment scheme that sees to it that Roach and the others receive theirs from the promoter.

“That’s how we pay them the last five years,” he said.

That's an interesting article. It doesn't really undermine any of my claims, since all I did was explain the usual situation, with my explanation including a couple of caveats.

That being said, the response articulated by Michael Koncz is a little confusing, because Freddie has already said that Manny Pacquiao won't even say "hi" to him.

As a Manny fan, i'm glad that he's not a good loser and that he still cares enough about wins and losses at this point to affect him this much. You show me a person that is good at losing and i'll show you a guy who is no longer good at much. Manny was pissed off and he should be. What you don't want to hear after giving your heart and blood in the ring for a poor decision is your trainer whining that his boxer doesn't talk to him and asking where his pay is. I'd expect my trainer to raise bloody hell about the decision.

If Roach has been paid this way for years then I really think it's questionable as to why Roach would inject this out there into the public when he did. Don't let Roach fool ya, he's calculating and he's cunning. Not sure what his angle is but this does smell a bit funny. Either way, it's a horrible look for Roach and I've lost a lot of respect for him.