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ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

jamamb wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Who the f.ck does Hearn think he is Joshua as not earnt the right to start throwing around order's about who gets what when he fights them if they got no legit belt fare enough but get real Hearn you will be on the Same level as Golden Boy if you keep this sh.t up your man beat no one yet that gets him the A side and every other fighter's the B side STOP PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE PROVE YOUR THE KING BEFORE YOU START ACTING THE KING

your an idiot if u dont think $$$ drawing power is the main thing determining who dictactes. its a business, money comes first. even on accomplishments or ability aj still above wilder and parker.

Aj is like Wilder and Parker he is not the undisputed Heavyweight King you imbercile

Evander wrote:75/25

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Who the f.ck does Hearn think he is Joshua as not earnt the right to start throwing around order's about who gets what when he fights them if they got no legit belt fare enough but get real Hearn you will be on the Same level as Golden Boy if you keep this sh.t up your man beat no one yet that gets him the A side and every other fighter's the B side STOP PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE PROVE YOUR THE KING BEFORE YOU START ACTING THE KING

candyslim wrote:Sorry Clive but he's absolutely right.

@EO: Did you ever hear of Wilder or his people suggesting that one of the reasons for his not accepting the offer to fight Whyte was that Hearn was trying to secure some kind of option or interest in Wilder's future fights, basically he was looking to get a piece of DW?

I never did but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. One or two posters on here have stated it like it was a fact but that doesn't mean that it did happen either.

Given that his rejection of a career-high payday is eyebrow raising to say the least, and not in a good way, I would have thought if there were any truth to ihis story then Haymon and Wilder would be shouting it from the rooftops, no?

candyslim wrote:EO: Did you ever hear of Wilder or his people suggesting that one of the reasons for his not accepting the offer to fight Whyte was that Hearn was trying to secure some kind of option or interest in Wilder's future fights, basically he was looking to get a piece of DW?

I never did but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. One or two posters on here have stated it like it was a fact but that doesn't mean that it did happen either.

Given that his rejection of a career-high payday is eyebrow raising to say the least, and not in a good way, I would have thought if there were any truth to ihis story then Haymon and Wilder would be shouting it from the rooftops, no?

Ossyrules wrote:

candyslim wrote:Sorry Clive but he's absolutely right.

@EO: Did you ever hear of Wilder or his people suggesting that one of the reasons for his not accepting the offer to fight Whyte was that Hearn was trying to secure some kind of option or interest in Wilder's future fights, basically he was looking to get a piece of DW?

I never did but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. One or two posters on here have stated it like it was a fact but that doesn't mean that it did happen either.

Given that his rejection of a career-high payday is eyebrow raising to say the least, and not in a good way, I would have thought if there were any truth to ihis story then Haymon and Wilder would be shouting it from the rooftops, no?

I know you asked EO but I think Lou Dibella started this was the case. Obviously that’s not an independent party but you have to question a bit why would he lie

Enlightened-One wrote: I don’t know if there’s any evidence of that… and this is the first time I’ve ever heard that rumour… and I follow these sort of matters quite closely.

cs: I know you do which is why I posed the question to our research man.

So unless you can provide some evidence, I’d rather not comment on unsubstantiated idle gossip.

cs: I've not heard anything about this from anywhere other than 'current scene' until Oz confirmed he was aware Dibella said something, so I'm in no position to provide any evidence I'm afraid.

That being said, I am aware that Hearn wanted Wilder to gain exposure to the British audience, by staging a bout between ‘The Bronze Bomber’ and Whyte in order to justify another Wembley Stadium-filling summer showdown in 2018 between the American and AJ.

cs: A plan that seems eminently sensible to me.

So I suspect that Matchroom’s offer to Wilder for him to accept a title defence against Whyte, would be for the American to commit himself to facing Anthony Joshua in his very next bout (in order to prevent losing the momentum of the accumulating public interest).

cs: That hardly sounds terribly devious does it, offering Wilder what he wants more than anything as an incentive to take the biggest payday of his life. I was expecting something far more sneaky and insidious like trying to usurp Dibella's position in Wilder's remaining career.

The only thing that cannot be refuted, because there is an abundance of evidence to substantiate it, relates to the fact that Deontay Wilder rejected a career-high fight purse of $3m to face Dillian Whyte, because he wanted $7m instead. Matchrooms’ offer was more than double the sums ‘The Bronze Bomber’ had previously been paid.

cs: Agreed but I'm trying to avoid jumping to any unpalatable and potentially unfair conclusions about Wilder's lack of interest in what should be a very lucrative hors d'ouvre to his main-course bonanza.

The American never articulated any other reason for refusing to take this bout… at least there are no videos or interview transcripts that can be considered as reliable evidence that proves otherwise.

cs: That's the point I'm making. If Eddie was trying to play a fast one, Wilder and Haymon would surely be very loud in making sure everybody knew the reason he wasn't taking the fight wasn't any lack of intestinal fortitude, but Eddie Hearn being despicably despicable.

For the record, Deontay Wilder may be mandated to face Dillian Whyte anyway, for a much smaller payday than the one previously offered to him by Eddie Hearn, because the Brit is a big favourite to defeat Robert Helenius in his next bout, which should elevate 'The Body Snatcher' as being the highest ranked WBC title challenger.

cs: Should be but what are the chances the WBC make him fight Breazeale in a final eliminator, always assuming they don't just nominate Arreola or someone?

I feel that a Joshua-Whyte rematch does bigger numbers in the UK commercially than Joshua-Wilder, making me consider the likelihood that Eddie Hearn will bide his time, should ‘The Bronze Bomber’ price himself out of a fight against AJ, since Dillian is clearly better than anyone that Deontay has ever faced.

cs: Agreed but even Whyte wants to defer the re-match until he's got a bottle he can bring to the party - ideally a green bottle, well something green anyway.

So it’s a win-win situation for Hearn either way, regardless as to whoever emerges victorious from a potential Wilder-Whyte bout.

Absolutely. No doubt Sulaiman is looking at the Wilder v Joshua unification in the same way.

Enlightened-One wrote:Deontay Wilder very publicly corroborated Eddie Hearn's offer....

nmhz wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:Deontay Wilder very publicly corroborated Eddie Hearn's offer....

There is no need to quote the whole thing but great post Enlightend-One

Badhusker wrote:The reason Wilder rejected Hearn's offer to fight Whyte is because Hearn had promised that Wilder would be Joshua's next fight at the time.

Hearn talks so much poo, and lies more often than Arum even. At the WBC convention last year he told Wilder he was next after Wlad. Then in August he said after Pulev, the winner of Wilder/Ortiz will be next. He said that fight could happen before next summer.
Now, he says Wilder must fight Whyte early next year to get to Joshua. Instead of lying he should just keep his mouth shut. Every time he opens it he loses credibility. I guess Joshua must have told him again that he isn't ready for Wilder.

If I were Wilder I would forget about chasing Joshua, and go after Parker.

Nightmare Roy wrote:I don't know about percentages but Wilder would definitely want 8 figures I guess. If there was say $30m in the pot for purses, 20% would be $6m, he's never gonna accept that when he's knocked back $4m for a Whyte fight, if they want to get him over here I'd guess he'd want at least 12-15m

candyslim wrote:

Evander wrote:75/25

As it stands today I'd go along with that. If Wilder or Parker were to add a top name or two to their resumes, then they might have a case for 40% but Parker will have to set his sights a lot higher than Fujimoto san, and Wilder ... it's a shame he couldn't boast an Ortiz or a Povetkin, but let's not rehash that. The trouble is when you remove from the equation: Klitschko, Fury, Povetkin, Ortiz and Haye (no longer seen as elite), then the list of opponents who tick that box are becoming an endangered species, now you're looking at Parker for Wilder or vice versa, Pulev maybe, Miller or Breazeale maybe, maybe not.

A win against Whyte in London would go some way to earning him some respect, at least among the Brits who generally have a lot of time for Dillian: Americans see a guy who's been KTFOed and went life and death with an average Chisora. Brits see Chisora as a guy who, when he's up for it (and against Whyte he was never more up for it) can trouble almost anyone, and Whyte as someone who edged a Chisora at the top of his game in a great fight, and as someone who while nursing an injury, still gave the formidable Anthony Joshua his toughest examination after Klitschko, and a guy who would cheerfully fight Godzilla if (and only if) the money was right. He'd probably fancy his chances too.

Ruthless-RKO wrote:

Nightmare Roy wrote:I don't know about percentages but Wilder would definitely want 8 figures I guess. If there was say $30m in the pot for purses, 20% would be $6m, he's never gonna accept that when he's knocked back $4m for a Whyte fight, if they want to get him over here I'd guess he'd want at least 12-15m

I know Sky don't go above £20 for PPV.. It would be a revenue booster, but I doubt they would increase the price for a Joshua/Wilder bout.. Seen as they never did for AJ/Wlad or any other previous fight.

funso banjo baby wrote:yes they do.

they all have versions of the title and it would unify the baubles.

naturally that's worth 50/50

Badhusker wrote:The reason Wilder rejected Hearn's offer to fight Whyte is because Hearn had promised that Wilder would be Joshua's next fight at the time.

Hearn talks so much poo, and lies more often than Arum even. At the WBC convention last year he told Wilder he was next after Wlad. Then in August he said after Pulev, the winner of Wilder/Ortiz will be next. He said that fight could happen before next summer.
Now, he says Wilder must fight Whyte early next year to get to Joshua. Instead of lying he should just keep his mouth shut. Every time he opens it he loses credibility. I guess Joshua must have told him again that he isn't ready for Wilder.

If I were Wilder I would forget about chasing Joshua, and go after Parker.