How does Wilder know Stiverne won't test positive?

[candyslim]

Look at the performance again, if you can sit through watching a scripted beatdown. Lackluster Stiverne didn't try to win. He stood there like a heavy bag and ate the shots. The smoking gun came months later at the press conference for Wilder vs Molina where Don King, who controlled Molina and was conveniently rewarded for scripting Stiverne with scoring Wilder's first defence opponent, one dubious, minimally talented patsy named Eric Molina. King actually said at the press conference that Stiverne "transferred" the title to Wilder and that this fight Wilder vs Molina would not be like that. Implying this fight would be a real fight. "Transferred." Think about that word. It obviously meant that the "fight" was a business transaction and the WBC title was transferred from Stiverne to Wilder. Now on top of that, Stiverne is STILL AROUND as the WBC no. 1.

Haymon is a known fixer (Malignaggi said he can fix or manipulate "anything"). Do you think for one second he would allow Wilder, his last desperation hope, to lose? Hell no. And Stiverne is old and finished and can EASILY be bought. Stiverne as WBC champ is as bad as Charles Martin or Alex Zolkin -
ZERO sellers, zero potential, zero chance of sustained longevity, zero hope to evolve into a $$$maker. Wilder at one point had potential and hope to be a star though he's actually regressed with each fight. But Haymon has no other options to create a star so he's all in on this big fraud from Alabama.

There is no way I'd want to waste an hour of my life watching that again but I don't accept it was fixed. I do think that Wilder has his sights firmly set on the Joshua payday, and everything is geared to avoiding any risk of losing a fight and blowing that payday. I think the intention was always to fight Stiverne next and the longer they could delay that fight, the less chance there would be of having to fight someone else before meeting AJ.

One thing that was going to delay the unification was that Joshua was intending to fight Ortiz in a mandatory but now Ortiz has been removed from the equation. In theory the WBA could replace him with Ustinov or someone else nobody wants to see, but it might just mean the WBA get onboard with the idea of holding the unification sooner rather than later. Either way it won't have made Wilder's wait any longer and might have made it shorter.

[montrealsuper]

So to sum it up for some of you posters that aren't familiar with montrealsuper.

If a fighter he doesn't care for wins. It was fixed.

That's his entire contribution to this forum. The names change, the tune doesn't.

A nonsensical statement. With Haymon involved in the sport there are a lot of choreographs, set ups and flat out fixes and dives.

Do you think he's gotten into boxing because he cares about fans and history and giving us the best against the best? Keep holding your breath for Kovalev vs Stevenson.

Haymon is in boxing because he's a megalomaniac with delusions of grandeur that he can control the sport like a Berry Gordy, Don King, Dana White or Vince McMahon. Malignaggi told us "Al Haymon can manipulate (FIX) anything."

It all became evident with Mayweather and now the trickel down effect is De La Hoya is doing the same thing - creating manufacturing and PROTECTING a big fat sellable cash cow in Canelo. Now Haymon needs to do it again and Wilder is his chosen one. But the plans aren't going well because Joshua has emerged as the true great HWT. And Wilder's pathetic falseness is obviously being exposed by how awesome Joshua is.

Joshua's rise has destroyed Wilder. I reckon Haymon's next idea will be to try to slander Joshua as a drug cheat. Just like his smear campaign on Pacquaio. It's gonna get ugly because Haymon is one sick fu**.

[montrealsuper]

Look at the performance again, if you can sit through watching a scripted beatdown. Lackluster Stiverne didn't try to win. He stood there like a heavy bag and ate the shots. The smoking gun came months later at the press conference for Wilder vs Molina where Don King, who controlled Molina and was conveniently rewarded for scripting Stiverne with scoring Wilder's first defence opponent, one dubious, minimally talented patsy named Eric Molina. King actually said at the press conference that Stiverne "transferred" the title to Wilder and that this fight Wilder vs Molina would not be like that. Implying this fight would be a real fight. "Transferred." Think about that word. It obviously meant that the "fight" was a business transaction and the WBC title was transferred from Stiverne to Wilder. Now on top of that, Stiverne is STILL AROUND as the WBC no. 1.

Haymon is a known fixer (Malignaggi said he can fix or manipulate "anything"). Do you think for one second he would allow Wilder, his last desperation hope, to lose? Hell no. And Stiverne is old and finished and can EASILY be bought. Stiverne as WBC champ is as bad as Charles Martin or Alex Zolkin -
ZERO sellers, zero potential, zero chance of sustained longevity, zero hope to evolve into a $$$maker. Wilder at one point had potential and hope to be a star though he's actually regressed with each fight. But Haymon has no other options to create a star so he's all in on this big fraud from Alabama.

There is no way I'd want to waste an hour of my life watching that again but I don't accept it was fixed. I do think that Wilder has his sights firmly set on the Joshua payday, and everything is geared to avoiding any risk of losing a fight and blowing that payday. I think the intention was always to fight Stiverne next and the longer they could delay that fight, the less chance there would be of having to fight someone else before meeting AJ.

One thing that was going to delay the unification was that Joshua was intending to fight Ortiz in a mandatory but now Ortiz has been removed from the equation. In theory the WBA could replace him with Ustinov or someone else nobody wants to see, but it might just mean the WBA get onboard with the idea of holding the unification sooner rather than later. Either way it won't have made Wilder's wait any longer and might have made it shorter.

Please tell me a logical reason why Stiverne is the WBC mandatory. He's not there by chance or coincidence. He has been strategically placed there for a REASON. Why???

[candyslim]

Look at the performance again, if you can sit through watching a scripted beatdown. Lackluster Stiverne didn't try to win. He stood there like a heavy bag and ate the shots. The smoking gun came months later at the press conference for Wilder vs Molina where Don King, who controlled Molina and was conveniently rewarded for scripting Stiverne with scoring Wilder's first defence opponent, one dubious, minimally talented patsy named Eric Molina. King actually said at the press conference that Stiverne "transferred" the title to Wilder and that this fight Wilder vs Molina would not be like that. Implying this fight would be a real fight. "Transferred." Think about that word. It obviously meant that the "fight" was a business transaction and the WBC title was transferred from Stiverne to Wilder. Now on top of that, Stiverne is STILL AROUND as the WBC no. 1.

Haymon is a known fixer (Malignaggi said he can fix or manipulate "anything"). Do you think for one second he would allow Wilder, his last desperation hope, to lose? Hell no. And Stiverne is old and finished and can EASILY be bought. Stiverne as WBC champ is as bad as Charles Martin or Alex Zolkin -
ZERO sellers, zero potential, zero chance of sustained longevity, zero hope to evolve into a $$$maker. Wilder at one point had potential and hope to be a star though he's actually regressed with each fight. But Haymon has no other options to create a star so he's all in on this big fraud from Alabama.

There is no way I'd want to waste an hour of my life watching that again but I don't accept it was fixed. I do think that Wilder has his sights firmly set on the Joshua payday, and everything is geared to avoiding any risk of losing a fight and blowing that payday. I think the intention was always to fight Stiverne next and the longer they could delay that fight, the less chance there would be of having to fight someone else before meeting AJ.

One thing that was going to delay the unification was that Joshua was intending to fight Ortiz in a mandatory but now Ortiz has been removed from the equation. In theory the WBA could replace him with Ustinov or someone else nobody wants to see, but it might just mean the WBA get onboard with the idea of holding the unification sooner rather than later. Either way it won't have made Wilder's wait any longer and might have made it shorter.

Please tell me a logical reason why Stiverne is the WBC mandatory. He's not there by chance or coincidence. He has been strategically placed there for a REASON. Why???

Stiverne is number one because of his magnificent losing performance in the first rip-roaring tear up with Deontay, for his two emphatic triumphs against the technically gifted, slick, speedy and extremely dangerous Chris Arreola, allied to his absolute determination to remain the most active modern heavyweight taking on all challengers no matter how daunting, even daring to face the terrifying Derric Rossy and surviving a first round knockdown before rallying to overcome this this fearsome protagonist by decision.

There again it might just be that Sulaiman likes to keep his cronies like Don King (and Al Haymon?) sweet as part of his unofficial 'WBC you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours, boxing programme'

Gentlemen place your bets.

[Tony1244]

There is no way I'd want to waste an hour of my life watching that again but I don't accept it was fixed. I do think that Wilder has his sights firmly set on the Joshua payday, and everything is geared to avoiding any risk of losing a fight and blowing that payday. I think the intention was always to fight Stiverne next and the longer they could delay that fight, the less chance there would be of having to fight someone else before meeting AJ.

One thing that was going to delay the unification was that Joshua was intending to fight Ortiz in a mandatory but now Ortiz has been removed from the equation. In theory the WBA could replace him with Ustinov or someone else nobody wants to see, but it might just mean the WBA get onboard with the idea of holding the unification sooner rather than later. Either way it won't have made Wilder's wait any longer and might have made it shorter.

Please tell me a logical reason why Stiverne is the WBC mandatory. He's not there by chance or coincidence. He has been strategically placed there for a REASON. Why???

Stiverne is number one because of his magnificent losing performance in the first rip-roaring tear up with Deontay, for his two emphatic triumphs against the technically gifted, slick, speedy and extremely dangerous Chris Arreola, allied to his absolute determination to remain the most active modern heavyweight taking on all challengers no matter how daunting, even daring to face the terrifying Derric Rossy and surviving a first round knockdown before rallying to overcome this this fearsome protagonist by decision.

There again it might just be that Sulaiman likes to keep his cronies like Don King (and Al Haymon?) sweet as part of his unofficial 'WBC you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours, boxing programme'

Gentlemen place your bets.

I sense some sarcasm. This crap has been going on a long long time. Way before Haymon and Wilder were born frankly.

[candyslim]

Well admittedly Don King is no spring chicken

[gilgamesh]

Please tell me a logical reason why Stiverne is the WBC mandatory. He's not there by chance or coincidence. He has been strategically placed there for a REASON. Why???

Tell us a logical reason why several fighters have been mandatories. Haymon didn't have sh*t to do with Bernard Hopkins fighting Morrade Hakkar. Why was Hakkar the mandatory? Did Haymon do that? Bearing in mind he had NOTHING to do with Hopkins' career at any point.

Title organizations are sh*t, and their rankings are sh*t a lot of the time. This isn't new.

[montrealsuper]

Please tell me a logical reason why Stiverne is the WBC mandatory. He's not there by chance or coincidence. He has been strategically placed there for a REASON. Why???

Tell us a logical reason why several fighters have been mandatories. Haymon didn't have sh*t to do with Bernard Hopkins fighting Morrade Hakkar. Why was Hakkar the mandatory? Did Haymon do that? Bearing in mind he had NOTHING to do with Hopkins' career at any point.

Title organizations are sh*t, and their rankings are sh*t a lot of the time. This isn't new.

Most of the time they earn it. Other times their management pay the price. Hakkar was a good fighter, not great. I would guess his promoter paid the price. Hakkar was good and could have stunk out some decent champions but Hopkins was an all time great in his prime. Hakkar was not a joke, just about everyone who faced Hopkins back then was in way over their head or a mismatch.

Zelkjo Mavrovic was mandatory for Lennox and nobody knew who he was but he was a damn good fighter and could have beaten a lot of beltholders namely Ruiz, Byrd, maybe Moorer, etc.

Stiverne is a patsy who is most likely owed another payday for throwing the first fight to Wilder. Stiverne could probably beat Wilder in a real, on the level fight but the powers that be know Stiverne can't sell sh** and at 39 has zero potential to ever grow into a franchise type fighter. Therefore he has been paid off to defer to the one American who does show a glimmer of potential to be a franchise type champion - Wilder. It's all about $$$. Boxing is a business now, not a sport. Haymon and Sulaiman Jr are businessmen, not boxing lifers.

[asdfjkl]

Stiverne could probably beat Wilder in a real, on the level fight

I very much doubt about that, Wilder isn't that good, but not this bad lol.
Stiverne would probably lose against anyone in the current WBC top 25.

[Ilya Muromets]

Look at the performance again, if you can sit through watching a scripted beatdown. Lackluster Stiverne didn't try to win. He stood there like a heavy bag and ate the shots. The smoking gun came months later at the press conference for Wilder vs Molina where Don King, who controlled Molina and was conveniently rewarded for scripting Stiverne with scoring Wilder's first defence opponent, one dubious, minimally talented patsy named Eric Molina. King actually said at the press conference that Stiverne "transferred" the title to Wilder and that this fight Wilder vs Molina would not be like that. Implying this fight would be a real fight. "Transferred." Think about that word. It obviously meant that the "fight" was a business transaction and the WBC title was transferred from Stiverne to Wilder. Now on top of that, Stiverne is STILL AROUND as the WBC no. 1.

Haymon is a known fixer (Malignaggi said he can fix or manipulate "anything"). Do you think for one second he would allow Wilder, his last desperation hope, to lose? Hell no. And Stiverne is old and finished and can EASILY be bought. Stiverne as WBC champ is as bad as Charles Martin or Alex Zolkin -
ZERO sellers, zero potential, zero chance of sustained longevity, zero hope to evolve into a $$$maker. Wilder at one point had potential and hope to be a star though he's actually regressed with each fight. But Haymon has no other options to create a star so he's all in on this big fraud from Alabama.

Molina had Wilder in trouble at one point and then seemed to deliberately back off.

[montrealsuper]

Look at the performance again, if you can sit through watching a scripted beatdown. Lackluster Stiverne didn't try to win. He stood there like a heavy bag and ate the shots. The smoking gun came months later at the press conference for Wilder vs Molina where Don King, who controlled Molina and was conveniently rewarded for scripting Stiverne with scoring Wilder's first defence opponent, one dubious, minimally talented patsy named Eric Molina. King actually said at the press conference that Stiverne "transferred" the title to Wilder and that this fight Wilder vs Molina would not be like that. Implying this fight would be a real fight. "Transferred." Think about that word. It obviously meant that the "fight" was a business transaction and the WBC title was transferred from Stiverne to Wilder. Now on top of that, Stiverne is STILL AROUND as the WBC no. 1.

Haymon is a known fixer (Malignaggi said he can fix or manipulate "anything"). Do you think for one second he would allow Wilder, his last desperation hope, to lose? Hell no. And Stiverne is old and finished and can EASILY be bought. Stiverne as WBC champ is as bad as Charles Martin or Alex Zolkin -
ZERO sellers, zero potential, zero chance of sustained longevity, zero hope to evolve into a $$$maker. Wilder at one point had potential and hope to be a star though he's actually regressed with each fight. But Haymon has no other options to create a star so he's all in on this big fraud from Alabama.

Molina had Wilder in trouble at one point and then deliberately seemed to back off.

Exactly. Everyone who has fought Wilder seems to have thrown the fight in one way or another. That is why Wilder is regressing not progressing. he's not getting better because every one of his fights is a circus fix. He's not getting better he's flatlined. The motive is there and the immoral fixer is there in charge. Haymon is desperate to create a fake fraud new star post floyd, his previous protected fake fraud counterfeit star. Believe me, Floyd was protected just like Wilder is now though of course he had more talent he was not nearly as good as the illusion was. Floyd was protected at all costs. As is wilder now. As is Canelo now.

[Ilya Muromets]

Look at the performance again, if you can sit through watching a scripted beatdown. Lackluster Stiverne didn't try to win. He stood there like a heavy bag and ate the shots. The smoking gun came months later at the press conference for Wilder vs Molina where Don King, who controlled Molina and was conveniently rewarded for scripting Stiverne with scoring Wilder's first defence opponent, one dubious, minimally talented patsy named Eric Molina. King actually said at the press conference that Stiverne "transferred" the title to Wilder and that this fight Wilder vs Molina would not be like that. Implying this fight would be a real fight. "Transferred." Think about that word. It obviously meant that the "fight" was a business transaction and the WBC title was transferred from Stiverne to Wilder. Now on top of that, Stiverne is STILL AROUND as the WBC no. 1.

Haymon is a known fixer (Malignaggi said he can fix or manipulate "anything"). Do you think for one second he would allow Wilder, his last desperation hope, to lose? Hell no. And Stiverne is old and finished and can EASILY be bought. Stiverne as WBC champ is as bad as Charles Martin or Alex Zolkin -
ZERO sellers, zero potential, zero chance of sustained longevity, zero hope to evolve into a $$$maker. Wilder at one point had potential and hope to be a star though he's actually regressed with each fight. But Haymon has no other options to create a star so he's all in on this big fraud from Alabama.

Molina had Wilder in trouble at one point and then deliberately seemed to back off.

Exactly. Everyone who has fought Wilder seems to have thrown the fight in one way or another. That is why Wilder is regressing not progressing. he's not getting better because every one of his fights is a circus fix. He's not getting better he's flatlined. The motive is there and the immoral fixer is there in charge. Haymon is desperate to create a fake fraud new star post floyd, his previous protected fake fraud counterfeit star. Believe me, Floyd was protected just like Wilder is now though of course he had more talent he was not nearly as good as the illusion was. Floyd was protected at all costs. As is wilder now. As is Canelo now.

You got that right about Mayweather. He only fought in the crookedest city on Earth and in the crookedest sport on Earth, so he always had the ref on his side as well as the judges and commentators and sportswriters and drug testers and even the ring builders.

I wouldn't say all of Wilder's fights were fixed, but his matchmaking sure is, and some of his oponents may know what they're not supposed to do. I think much more of him than I do of runaway Mayweather. Wilder has a dynamite punch. His handlers knew how vulnerable he is, though, after that club fighter put him (temporarily) on his ass.