How does Wilder know Stiverne won't test positive?

[montrealsuper]

Wilder and Stiverne +confernce call today. And there was no concern or worry by Wilder or Dibella that Stiverne could test positive and drop out of the fight. How could they know? They know because they know Stiverne is the hired patsy and is there to lose. They know they don't need a backup plan C opponent ready. With all the bluster from Wilder about everyone using drugs to get out of fighting him, it sure is suspicious that Wilder and DiBella have no worries about Stiverne using drugs or getting caught.

The prevailing theory is Stiverne is owed a payday for throwing the first fight. That is the only reasonable explanation for why Stiverne is still ranked no. 1 despite losing to Rossy and very poor activity. He was terrible in the first Wilder fight and has done nothing since but lose. Yet he's still at WBC no 1 contender? And why isn't Wilder making such a big fuss about Stiverne's previous positive test? BECAUSE HE KNOWS HAYMON controls Stiverne through King and he knows Stiverne will dive again for the payday.

It's so obvious what is going on with Wilder and the WBC if you really look at all the evidence.

[lefty]

He doesnt.

[candyslim]

I expect they will turn a blind eye like last time. He's not really any threat.

Stiverne didn't throw the last fight he's just not very good.

Maybe with three years in which to prepare he'll be much better this time.

[Oiky]

They don't know sh*t

[montrealsuper]

I expect they will turn a blind eye like last time. He's not really any threat.

Stiverne didn't throw the last fight he's just not very good.

Maybe with three years in which to prepare he'll be much better this time.

He didn't throw last time because he was there to lose, not supposed to hit, hurt, or beat Wilder. Hired to eat punches. Obvious OBVIOUS thrown fight. And the rematch payday is the second payment/reward for services rendered. My theory.

Stiverne was awful in the first fight. And to be still ranked no. 1 is the smoking GUN.

[Kalan]

I do think it's interesting that Stiverne tested positive for PEDs for the Povetkin fight -- and VADA and the WBC swept it under the rug and said he didn't mean it.. He just drank an over-the-counter supplement that was loaded with a PED that was clearly printed on the product ingredients.

But Ortiz takes a medication that in NOT a PED... And Povetkin takes NO PEDs, something VADA and the WBC admitted, and they both get hung out to dry.

[candyslim]

I expect they will turn a blind eye like last time. He's not really any threat.

Stiverne didn't throw the last fight he's just not very good.

Maybe with three years in which to prepare he'll be much better this time.

He didn't throw last time because he was there to lose, not supposed to hit, hurt, or beat Wilder. Hired to eat punches. Obvious OBVIOUS thrown fight. And the rematch payday is the second payment/reward for services rendered. My theory.

Stiverne was awful in the first fight. And to be still ranked no. 1 is the smoking GUN.

I don't think there was anything wrong. He was the champion by virtue of his win over Arreola (although it could be said neither perhaps is of a standard to be contesting a vacant world title). He did what he could but he was pretty much made to measure for Wilder.

What truly is a joke though is that Povetkin is banned by the WBC for a minute residual quantity of meldonium which was used a lot by athletes in Eastern Europe and Russia and was perfectly ok to take up until January 2016. They later admitted they couldn't establish whether he had taken the stuff after it was banned.

Stiverne gets caught taking DMAA and the WBC decide to punish him by retaining him as their mandatory number one challenger for the title. I think I'm right in saying that Stiverne became mandatory in 2012 (might even have been 2011) and here we are with 2018 fast approaching and who is the mandatory but the same Bermane Stiverne despite the Wilder rematch being his first fight in almost exactly two years.

How long do you have to inactive to get dropped from the WBC rankings altogether? How long before you're dropped from WBC mandatory challenger status? Does that apply to anybody or just Bermane Stiverne or just fighters in whom Don King has a stake/ interest?

Isn't it weird how some people question the integrity of the WBC and even use unfair pejorative terms like "corrupt"? I just don't understand how anyone could think they could be involved in anything that wasn't 100% right and proper

[marvelous marv]

Stiverne was named mandatory around March 2017 a few months after his fight with Povetkin fell thru. Some speculated at the time that he was named mandatory so that the WBC could make a quick sanctioning fee and avoid a lawsuit from Don King.

Stiverne did fail a PED test as did Ortiz but the difference is that Stiverne disclosed the supplements to VADA prior to testing. If Ortiz had disclosed that he was taking prescription medications prior to testing, the situation could have been avoided.

At the end of the day I think Ortiz will get his shot after Stiverne in say early spring.

[Enlightened-One]

At the end of the day I think Ortiz will get his shot after Stiverne in say early spring.

You might be right, but I don’t know personally.

If the WBC are lenient on a fighter that openly admitted to hiding the disclosure of a potentially serious health condition, whilst also admitting to consuming banned substances because of it, coupled with being a repeat offender at consuming banned substances (as he has previously received a suspension), then it kind of makes a mockery of their “Clean Boxing Program”.

If the WBC allows Luis Ortiz to escape punishment, then other boxers will then be able to demand consistency and expect to get away with not disclosing any health conditions, prescribed medication and also refraining from requesting exemptions prior to fights (in the scenario that they are consuming banned substances due to health reasons).

Also, because of the Stiverne situation, other drug cheats can cite the WBC’s previous actions, by demanding consistency and expect to get away with it, by telling the testers on the day of the test that they too “inadvertently” took banned substances.

That’s the thing about setting precedents, since the WBC are legally obliged to apply their rules consistently.

[marvelous marv]

It is ridiculous to suggest that Stiverne would throw a world title fight. Could a fight be thrown at level where fighters make a few hundred dollars? Possibly. At the world title level there are literally millions at stake, no way. Paying a fighter millions beyond his purse would leave a massive paper trail that the government would catch.

As someone who has previously failed a test Stiverne must undergo testing throughout the year whether scheduled for a fight or not. He has been passing his tests so they are more confident he will not fail one again.

To suggest that Stiverne threw the first fight is ridiculous. He landed 110 punches in that fight 72 of which were power shots. He landed power punches that weren't blocked to Deontay's chin in literally every round.

Haymon didn't even negotiate the fight with Don King. At the time is was De La Hoya who did the negotiations. The negotiations went so bad they took eight months and several purse bids to reach an agreement because Golden Boy and Don King hate each other. Haymon and King don't do business together. They are not on good terms.

[marvelous marv]

As far as Ortiz is concerned, I think he will have to serve his 6 months suspension which should be up around April 2018. I am assuming that Haymon will try to make that fight again and Joshua will go after Parker or Pulev.

[Enlightened-One]

Haymon and King don't do business together. They are not on good terms.

What has changed in the last three years to make you draw such a conclusion? I'm not saying you're wrong, since I don't know otherwise, but three years ago The RING website posted the following:

King called Haymon “a brilliant and intelligent, young man,” adding, “Al Haymon is the icing on the cake,” during a recent conference call interview when asked by RingTV.com to express his thoughts on the the adviser.

“He’s like a treat during a glorious dinner,” said King, 83. “I think Al Haymon is great…I’m so happy that I’ve had an opportunity to meet and to greet and to discuss with a guy like Al Haymon.”

Bermane Stiverne is with Don King and his next opponent is an Al Haymon fighter. Charles Hatley is also a Don King fighter and the most recent opponent he faced was with Al Haymon. Isn’t the Al Haymon-advised Dominic Breazeale sharing the ring with a Don King fighter in his next outing?

[candyslim]

I've no idea what King and Haymon's attitude is toward each other but one thing I can be fairly certain about is that all that glowing tribute stuff from King means absolutely nothing one way or the other. Flattery is much like Flatulence when emitted by the likes of King.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Wilder just needs to worry about not testing positive himself.

[montrealsuper]

Stiverne is only being kept around because he is owed another payday for throwing the first wilder fight. there can be no other logical explanation for his being ranked no 1 still. He tested positive and has been inactive. And he is still ranked no 1. Povetkin was chased out by haymon's corruption because povetkin would kill wilder. stiverne will dive or throw it again. King and haymon have a deal.

[candyslim]

Stiverne is only being kept around because he is owed another payday for throwing the first wilder fight. there can be no other logical explanation for his being ranked no 1 still. He tested positive and has been inactive. And he is still ranked no 1. Povetkin was chased out by haymon's corruption because povetkin would kill wilder. stiverne will dive or throw it again. King and haymon have a deal.

I don't get why you think Stiverne threw the fight. He isn't good enough that Wilder would have needed insurance, he is too short to outbox him from range and lacks the energy/ intensity to force Wilder into a close quarter battle. Ok to be fair that's with the benefit of hindsight, I'm sure I wasn't so dismissive before the fight admittedly. He stands a lot less of a chance now. I wouldn't want to put a kid like Dubois in with Wilder being so young and having had about 4 pro fights, but I'd genuinely give him a better chance of an upset than I would Stiverne. At least you'd know he would be in condition.

[montrealsuper]

Look at the performance again, if you can sit through watching a scripted beatdown. Lackluster Stiverne didn't try to win. He stood there like a heavy bag and ate the shots. The smoking gun came months later at the press conference for Wilder vs Molina where Don King, who controlled Molina and was conveniently rewarded for scripting Stiverne with scoring Wilder's first defence opponent, one dubious, minimally talented patsy named Eric Molina. King actually said at the press conference that Stiverne "transferred" the title to Wilder and that this fight Wilder vs Molina would not be like that. Implying this fight would be a real fight. "Transferred." Think about that word. It obviously meant that the "fight" was a business transaction and the WBC title was transferred from Stiverne to Wilder. Now on top of that, Stiverne is STILL AROUND as the WBC no. 1.

Haymon is a known fixer (Malignaggi said he can fix or manipulate "anything"). Do you think for one second he would allow Wilder, his last desperation hope, to lose? Hell no. And Stiverne is old and finished and can EASILY be bought. Stiverne as WBC champ is as bad as Charles Martin or Alex Zolkin -
ZERO sellers, zero potential, zero chance of sustained longevity, zero hope to evolve into a $$$maker. Wilder at one point had potential and hope to be a star though he's actually regressed with each fight. But Haymon has no other options to create a star so he's all in on this big fraud from Alabama.

[jamamb]

wow, what a fuckingg nut.

[Lackeos]

Wouldn't be surprised if they skipped the VADA testing for this fight.

[KiwiRider]

Wilder just needs to worry about not testing positive himself.

I'm pretty sure that won't happen.
Even though his ranting videos and behaviour in public look as if he is a Roid rager, I'm sure it's just his 'normal' personality.

[asdfjkl]

Wouldn't be surprised if they skipped the VADA testing for this fight.

Exactly this, this is the fight of the dopers, nobody who's independent of boxing and has a well functioning brain cares about these two and their private lab that used to be suspended. Stiverne nevergot busted untill he was finally caught using doping life in the act in front of a dopingtester and then all of a sudden he did get busted. He even skipped a dopingtest soon after, but that's not a problem ofcourse.

Now I'm thinking about it, did he fight clean in his last fight? Ah well, who cares, this guy and the other guy with his car full of drugs should be banned from this sport completely.

[gilgamesh]

So to sum it up for some of you posters that aren't familiar with montrealsuper.

If a fighter he doesn't care for wins. It was fixed.

That's his entire contribution to this forum. The names change, the tune doesn't.

[Ilya Muromets]

Wilder and Stiverne +confernce call today. And there was no concern or worry by Wilder or Dibella that Stiverne could test positive and drop out of the fight. How could they know? They know because they know Stiverne is the hired patsy and is there to lose. They know they don't need a backup plan C opponent ready. With all the bluster from Wilder about everyone using drugs to get out of fighting him, it sure is suspicious that Wilder and DiBella have no worries about Stiverne using drugs or getting caught.

The prevailing theory is Stiverne is owed a payday for throwing the first fight. That is the only reasonable explanation for why Stiverne is still ranked no. 1 despite losing to Rossy and very poor activity. He was terrible in the first Wilder fight and has done nothing since but lose. Yet he's still at WBC no 1 contender? And why isn't Wilder making such a big fuss about Stiverne's previous positive test? BECAUSE HE KNOWS HAYMON controls Stiverne through King and he knows Stiverne will dive again for the payday.

It's so obvious what is going on with Wilder and the WBC if you really look at all the evidence.

That's what I've been trying to tell people: drug testing in boxing is a criminal racket, a racket straight out of Las Vegas, the most criminal city in the world. And both of these weasels used the Las Vegas drug test racket to weasel out of fighting Povetkin. Now they are fighting each other again. How sweet.

[boxing_rocks]

Wilder just needs to worry about not testing positive himself.

That obviously has been taken care of by his handlers.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Wilder just needs to worry about not testing positive himself.

That obviously has been taken care of by his handlers.