Amir Mansour Hires New Advisor; Hopes for World Title Opportunity

[jamamb]

he barely beat kauffman last fight. looked like hes showing his age more.

[RScarf1]

Mansour vs. Oquendo for WBA regular title. Oldest combined age for a title fight in history.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Mansour vs. Oquendo for WBA regular title. Oldest combined age for a title fight in history.

Briggs is the same age.. How about a 3-way boxing fight.. First time ever!! combined age of 130 years!

[greg]

...I don't think a new adviser will make him all of a sudden relevant..don't mind him fighting Briggs though..

[RScarf1]

I met Gotzev about 10 years ago when he was managing Samuel Peter. I don't know what he can do for Mansour. He can't make him younger. He supposedly is better than anyone in the heavyweight division if you believe the numerous articles about how unfair the business has been to him.

[Lackeos]

Mansour's probably a top 10 Heavyweight if you match him with others like Takam, Breazeale, Martin, Whyte, etc. He's got some solid wins which is better than some fighters who get a chance.

Steve Cunningham must've been top 5, then, because he clearly beat Mansour.

[asdfjkl]

Mansour said,

“After the WBC and PBC (Premier Boxing Champions) gave me the opportunity to fight an elimination bout against Kauffman, we really thought that we would get our title shot against Deontay Wilder.”

What title was the Mansour-Kauffman fight an eliminator for?

Both guys weren’t top fifteen WBC rated heavyweights when they fought each other and they aren’t now.

Therefore, why did Amir Mansour, who wasn’t even listed in the WBC’s top forty fighters (at the time) expect that a victory over the 19th ranked Travis Kauffman would secure a bout between himself and Deontay Wilder?

Mansour is the WBC champion of the USA, the logic step up above that is the world. I'm quite confident Kaufman would have received it.

[Enlightened-One]

Mansour said,

“After the WBC and PBC (Premier Boxing Champions) gave me the opportunity to fight an elimination bout against Kauffman, we really thought that we would get our title shot against Deontay Wilder.”

What title was the Mansour-Kauffman fight an eliminator for?

Both guys weren’t top fifteen WBC rated heavyweights when they fought each other and they aren’t now.

Therefore, why did Amir Mansour, who wasn’t even listed in the WBC’s top forty fighters (at the time) expect that a victory over the 19th ranked Travis Kauffman would secure a bout between himself and Deontay Wilder?

Mansour is the WBC champion of the USA, the logic step up above that is the world. I'm quite confident Kaufman would have received it.

You have to be ranked in the top fifteen to earn an opportunity to challenge for a world title.

Therefore, why did Amir Mansour, who wasn’t even listed in the WBC’s top forty fighters (at the time) expect that a victory over the 19th ranked Travis Kauffman would secure a bout between himself and Deontay Wilder?

[asdfjkl]

What title was the Mansour-Kauffman fight an eliminator for?

Both guys weren’t top fifteen WBC rated heavyweights when they fought each other and they aren’t now.

Therefore, why did Amir Mansour, who wasn’t even listed in the WBC’s top forty fighters (at the time) expect that a victory over the 19th ranked Travis Kauffman would secure a bout between himself and Deontay Wilder?

Mansour is the WBC champion of the USA, the logic step up above that is the world. I'm quite confident Kaufman would have received it.

You have to be ranked in the top fifteen to earn an opportunity to challenge for a world title.

Therefore, why did Amir Mansour, who wasn’t even listed in the WBC’s top forty fighters (at the time) expect that a victory over the 19th ranked Travis Kauffman would secure a bout between himself and Deontay Wilder?

If you beat the rank 19 you usually end up around rank 12 ish. Stiverne arguably lost against an unranked guy and and became the mandatory, Arreola was unranked and all of a sudden was a top 15 guy. What is Miller his ranking? He won almost all rounds against a guy their champ lost almost all rounds against.

[Enlightened-One]

Mansour is the WBC champion of the USA, the logic step up above that is the world. I'm quite confident Kaufman would have received it.

You have to be ranked in the top fifteen to earn an opportunity to challenge for a world title.

Therefore, why did Amir Mansour, who wasn’t even listed in the WBC’s top forty fighters (at the time) expect that a victory over the 19th ranked Travis Kauffman would secure a bout between himself and Deontay Wilder?

If you beat the rank 19 you usually end up around rank 12 ish.

Can you please cite some examples where an unranked fighter, whose body of work has either been weak or they have been on a losing streak, have managed to obtain a top-15 contender ranking by beating an opponent rated 19th or worse?

I’m not sure if you can claim that something “usually” occurs if you don’t have the prerequisite evidence to draw such a conclusion.

Stiverne arguably lost against an unranked guy and and became the mandatory, Arreola was unranked and all of a sudden was a top 15 guy. What is Miller his ranking? He won almost all rounds against a guy their champ lost almost all rounds against.

Stiverne didn’t lose. He has a strong body of work, is a former champion and was due to compete in a final eliminator, until his opponent failed a drug test. This situation doesn’t compare to Mansour’s.

In regards to Jarrell Miller, I agree that the WBC should probably rate such a talented fighter, but he recently challenged for one of the WBO’s minor titles, which can result in getting dropped by the rankings for other governing bodies. We've already seen this when fighters compete in final eliminators or world title bouts for other governing bodies.

[asdfjkl]

You have to be ranked in the top fifteen to earn an opportunity to challenge for a world title.

Therefore, why did Amir Mansour, who wasn’t even listed in the WBC’s top forty fighters (at the time) expect that a victory over the 19th ranked Travis Kauffman would secure a bout between himself and Deontay Wilder?

If you beat the rank 19 you usually end up around rank 12 ish.

Can you please cite some examples where an unranked fighter, whose body of work has either been weak or they have been on a losing streak, have managed to obtain a top-15 contender ranking by beating an opponent rated 19th or worse?

I’m not sure if you can claim that something “usually” occurs if you don’t have the prerequisite evidence to draw such a conclusion.

Stiverne arguably lost against an unranked guy and and became the mandatory, Arreola was unranked and all of a sudden was a top 15 guy. What is Miller his ranking? He won almost all rounds against a guy their champ lost almost all rounds against.

Stiverne didn’t lose. He has a strong body of work, is a former champion and was due to compete in a final eliminator, until his opponent failed a drug test. This situation doesn’t compare to Mansour’s.

In regards to Jarrell Miller, I agree that the WBC should probably rate such a talented fighter, but he recently challenged for one of the WBO’s minor titles, which can result in getting dropped by the rankings for other governing bodies. We've already seen this when fighters compete in final eliminators or world title bouts for other governing bodies.

Not like Mansour had a losing streak, but Chisora for example, I wonder why you ask this question.
How do you think Washington received a world titleshot? Because he won against 46 year old Ray Austin with several of his losing streaks? Because he received an undeserved draw against Mansour?
Sorry mate, what do you not understand :S? It's not that complicated.
Stiverne arguably lost and got knocked down, he's not a strong body of work, he received the title after a champ retired by beating a drugsaddict who got busted several times. Stiverne never planned to fight the innocent Povetkin. Independant official Wada labs proved Povetkin was innocent, meanwhile Stiverne himself was guilty of using illegal drugs, in front of a dopingtester in fact, he appearantly thought that dopingtester was part of his group. He later even skipped another dopingtest for obvious reasons.

[Enlightened-One]

Not like Mansour had a losing streak

Prior to facing Travis Kauffman, Amir Mansour wasn’t rated by the WBC, because: it had been almost two years since he had scored a victory; was stopped in his most recent outing; and the only recognisable name on his resume was the cruiserweight (who himself was on a losing streak), Steven Cunningham, which was a bout that he lost by a comfortable margin.

Basically, Mansour had only defeated two anonymous and unheralded opponents in the course of the five contests that he’d competed in over a three year period.

How do you think Washington received a world titleshot? Because he won against 46 year old Ray Austin with several of his losing streaks? Because he received an undeserved draw against Mansour?
Sorry mate, what do you not understand :S? It's not that complicated.

I’m disappointed that you’ve decided to provide a condescending response driven purely by emotion rather than you detailing your justification by citing real-world facts.

That being said, I’ll show you what I understand:

• Gerald Washington initially entered the WBC’s rankings at 36th place after his victory against Jason Gavern.
• He was elevated to 26th place shortly after his bout against Mansour (at a time when Amir Mansour was rated 27th).
• When Washington defeated Eddie Chambers, he rose to 21st place and then officially became a sanctioned title challenger after his bout against Ray Austin, by becoming rated in 14th spot in the WBC’s rankings.
• Of course, ratings constantly change all the time, due to fighters either losing or being removed (due to challenging for titles for other governing bodies), which meant that by the time Gerald Washington faced Deontay Wilder, he was rated 8th by the WBC.

Stiverne arguably lost and got knocked down, he's not a strong body of work, he received the title after a champ retired by beating a drugsaddict who got busted several times. Stiverne never planned to fight the innocent Povetkin. Independant official Wada labs proved Povetkin was innocent, meanwhile Stiverne himself was guilty of using illegal drugs, in front of a dopingtester in fact, he appearantly thought that dopingtester was part of his group. He later even skipped another dopingtest for obvious reasons.

A lot of what you’ve just written there is either factually inaccurate, idle gossip or utter nonsense.

Berman Stiverne’s resume is vastly superior to Amir Mansour’s. There isn't a rational argument that can be made to claim otherwise.

Whilst I’d personally like Deontay Wilder to face a better opponent than Berman Stiverne, Amir Mansour doesn’t fit the bill.

Simply put: Amir Mansour doesn't even deserve to face any big name opponent, let alone challenge for a world title.

[asdfjkl]

Not like Mansour had a losing streak

Prior to facing Travis Kauffman, Amir Mansour wasn’t rated by the WBC, because: it had been almost two years since he had scored a victory; was stopped in his most recent outing; and the only recognisable name on his resume was the cruiserweight (who himself was on a losing streak), Steven Cunningham, which was a bout that he lost by a comfortable margin.

Basically, Mansour had only defeated two anonymous and unheralded opponents in the course of the five contests that he’d competed in over a three year period.

How do you think Washington received a world titleshot? Because he won against 46 year old Ray Austin with several of his losing streaks? Because he received an undeserved draw against Mansour?
Sorry mate, what do you not understand :S? It's not that complicated.

I’m disappointed that you’ve decided to provide a condescending response driven purely by emotion rather than you detailing your justification by citing real-world facts.

That being said, I’ll show you what I understand:

• Gerald Washington initially entered the WBC’s rankings at 36th place after his victory against Jason Gavern.
• He was elevated to 26th place shortly after his bout against Mansour (at a time when Amir Mansour was rated 27th).
• When Washington defeated Eddie Chambers, he rose to 21st place and then officially became a sanctioned title challenger after his bout against Ray Austin, by becoming rated in 14th spot in the WBC’s rankings.
• Of course, ratings constantly change all the time, due to fighters either losing or being removed (due to challenging for titles for other governing bodies), which meant that by the time Gerald Washington faced Deontay Wilder, he was rated 8th by the WBC.

Stiverne arguably lost and got knocked down, he's not a strong body of work, he received the title after a champ retired by beating a drugsaddict who got busted several times. Stiverne never planned to fight the innocent Povetkin. Independant official Wada labs proved Povetkin was innocent, meanwhile Stiverne himself was guilty of using illegal drugs, in front of a dopingtester in fact, he appearantly thought that dopingtester was part of his group. He later even skipped another dopingtest for obvious reasons.

A lot of what you’ve just written there is either factually inaccurate, idle gossip or utter nonsense.

Berman Stiverne’s resume is vastly superior to Amir Mansour’s. There isn't a rational argument that can be made to claim otherwise.

Whilst I’d personally like Deontay Wilder to face a better opponent than Berman Stiverne, Amir Mansour doesn’t fit the bill.

Simply put: Amir Mansour doesn't even deserve to face any big name opponent, let alone challenge for a world title.

As far as I remember Mansour was ranked... 24 or something like that around the end of 2016, no idea how Kauffman all of a sudden became highly ranked, but when there came rumours that he was going to fight Wilder after he proved himself he was ranked 19 by the WBC.
Then Mansour fought him, Mansour won against him and became rank 21 (which is ofcourse odd since Kauffman was ranked 19 :S?!)
Meanwhile Washington gained massive rankings for beating very low ranked Chambers and unranked Ray Austin.
I'd have to admit, Mansour was extremely unlucky in his Breazeale fight, where he showed he was much better, but lost the fight anyway.

I disagree about Stiverne having a better resume as Mansour, a loss against Demetrice King, a draw against Charles Davis, a very very lucky KO win against Ray Austin while beïng behind on most scorecards. VS a draw against Washington, a flawed injury loss while beïng ahead big time against Breazeale, and a loss against Steve Cunningham in his prime despite Cunningham was on the ground several times, the Steve Cunningham who only lost once in his life against any American and that was at the age of 41.

But ofcourse Arreola and Stiverne earned titlefight after titlefight, but Mansour doesn't :S.

[Enlightened-One]

As far as I remember Mansour was ranked... 24 or something like that around the end of 2016...

Yes he was once rated in 24th place, but perhaps he was dropped from the WBC’s rankings because he decided to remain inactive for fourteen months, without reason? I’m not sure myself, but I’d be surprised if voluntary inactivity doesn’t result in one’s ranking from diminishing over time.

...no idea how Kauffman all of a sudden became highly ranked, but when there came rumours that he was going to fight Wilder after he proved himself he was ranked 19 by the WBC.

I’m not here to defend the rancid WBC’s rankings.

That being said, I always refrain from articulating a derogatory opinion about a specific scenario if I clearly haven’t researched the matter. Perhaps you should adopt the same approach also?

Travis Kauffman initially entered the WBC’s rankings in 29th place, after he fought Arreola, with Chris having subsequently failed a drug test. He retained that spot even after his bout against Josh Gormley.

By the time he faced Amir Mansour, he was ranked 19th by the WBC, but perhaps his elevation was due to other fighters dropping spots or being removed. You haven't considered that, because you prefer to jump to conclusions instead.

Then Mansour fought him, Mansour won against him and became rank 21 (which is ofcourse odd since Kauffman was ranked 19 :S?!)

It’s not "odd" if other fighters that were previously lower ranked achieved more by the time the WBC’s ratings were updated.

Meanwhile Washington gained massive rankings for beating very low ranked Chambers and unranked Ray Austin.

I’ve already explained in great detail Gerald Washington’s progress in the WBC’s ratings. He gradually moved up their rankings after having fought Jason Gavern, Amir Mansour, Eddie Chambers and Ray Austin.

If you want to persistently claim “massive rankings” jumps, without reading what I’ve written, then that’s your prerogative, but anyone with merely moderate intellect would know that you’ve claimed something that is clearly untrue.

I disagree about Stiverne having a better resume as Mansour...

Once again, I’ve already explained the reason why Amir Mansour hasn’t earned an opportunity to challenge for Deontay Wilder’s world title.

It seems futile for me to continuously recite the same facts over-and-over again that you prefer to ignore.

Whilst I’m not a fan of Berman Stiverne, he’s achieved much more throughout the course of his career than Amir Mansour… and a rational argument cannot be articulated to refute this fact.

But ofcourse Arreola and Stiverne earned titlefight after titlefight, but Mansour doesn't :S.

Amir Mansour has never achieved a top-15 ranking in the WBC, so they won’t sanction him to challenge for their title... EVER!

Regardless of your perception of Mansour’s in-ring talents, he has to do “something”, to beat “someone” in order to even be considered to achieving a top-15 ranking. He hasn’t done that, so why should the WBC grant him a free pass?

[Lennox]

Stiverne has a better resume than Mansour.

Mansour needs a decent win against a proper top 15 fighter then he deserves a title shot, as it stands he does not, his best fight is the loss to Breazelle.

[asdfjkl]

As far as I remember Mansour was ranked... 24 or something like that around the end of 2016...

Yes he was once rated in 24th place, but perhaps he was dropped from the WBC’s rankings because he decided to remain inactive for fourteen months, without reason? I’m not sure myself, but I’d be surprised if voluntary inactivity doesn’t result in one’s ranking from diminishing over time.

...no idea how Kauffman all of a sudden became highly ranked, but when there came rumours that he was going to fight Wilder after he proved himself he was ranked 19 by the WBC.

I’m not here to defend the rancid WBC’s rankings.

That being said, I always refrain from articulating a derogatory opinion about a specific scenario if I clearly haven’t researched the matter. Perhaps you should adopt the same approach also?

Travis Kauffman initially entered the WBC’s rankings in 29th place, after he fought Arreola, with Chris having subsequently failed a drug test. He retained that spot even after his bout against Josh Gormley.

By the time he faced Amir Mansour, he was ranked 19th by the WBC, but perhaps his elevation was due to other fighters dropping spots or being removed. You haven't considered that, because you prefer to jump to conclusions instead.

Then Mansour fought him, Mansour won against him and became rank 21 (which is ofcourse odd since Kauffman was ranked 19 :S?!)

It’s not "odd" if other fighters that were previously lower ranked achieved more by the time the WBC’s ratings were updated.

Meanwhile Washington gained massive rankings for beating very low ranked Chambers and unranked Ray Austin.

I’ve already explained in great detail Gerald Washington’s progress in the WBC’s ratings. He gradually moved up their rankings after having fought Jason Gavern, Amir Mansour, Eddie Chambers and Ray Austin.

If you want to persistently claim “massive rankings” jumps, without reading what I’ve written, then that’s your prerogative, but anyone with merely moderate intellect would know that you’ve claimed something that is clearly untrue.

I disagree about Stiverne having a better resume as Mansour...

Once again, I’ve already explained the reason why Amir Mansour hasn’t earned an opportunity to challenge for Deontay Wilder’s world title.

It seems futile for me to continuously recite the same facts over-and-over again that you prefer to ignore.

Whilst I’m not a fan of Berman Stiverne, he’s achieved much more throughout the course of his career than Amir Mansour… and a rational argument cannot be articulated to refute this fact.

But ofcourse Arreola and Stiverne earned titlefight after titlefight, but Mansour doesn't :S.

Amir Mansour has never achieved a top-15 ranking in the WBC, so they won’t sanction him to challenge for their title... EVER!

Regardless of your perception of Mansour’s in-ring talents, he has to do “something”, to beat “someone” in order to even be considered to achieving a top-15 ranking. He hasn’t done that, so why should the WBC grant him a free pass?

I'm not going to type all of it on my phone, but who's the last person ranked by the WBC that Stiverne has beaten? Meanwhile challenging nobody? Mansour challenging everybody anywhere, nobody dares :s.