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candyslim wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 17:25 I have to admit that the Povetkin who destroyed the normally extremely tough and durable Duhaupas (albeit a very short notice replacement) bears little resemblance to the Povetkin who laboured to a points decision over Rudenko and Hammer. The guy is 38 now but his skills don't seem to have suffered like his power, and I'm not going to rule out coming off PEDs as a possible explanation.

The Russians are known for promoting the use of PEDs among their athletes, I guess a Russian boxer might have a rather more relaxed attitude to using drugs to get ahead than his counterpart in the west (not that they are all squeaky clean in the west of course) That doesn't excuse cheating but it makes it a little easier to understand that it is probably tempting not to kick against the system but to go with the flow..

I do like Povetkin though. He has good defense while going forward, cuts the ring off well, and throws excellent hooks and uppercuts, mixing them up very effectively. I find him very good to watch and I admire his willingness to take on quality opposition ... and Hammer

I do agree though that Joshua is too big and too good, and Povetkin would most likely get a good payday and a good hiding. I've an idea Eddie would be quite keen on a Joshua v Povetkin fight. I'd give him a good chance against Wilder even now though. An even better chance if he can stop off at the Chemist (drugstore) enroute.

candyslim wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 17:25 ...I guess a Russian boxer might have a rather more relaxed attitude to using drugs to get ahead than his counterpart in the west (not that they are all squeaky clean in the west of course) That doesn't excuse cheating but it makes it a little easier to understand that it is probably tempting not to kick against the system but to go with the flow..

funso banjo baby wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 17:48 Povetkin hasn't been beaten by anyone other than Wlad.

His record since then is one of the best in the division regardless of how you rate him.

Until he gets beaten he is still at number 2

lets remember that only Fury is the champ.. Joshua is number 1 contender.

Wilder has slipped behind Parker after the silly defence against Stifferne

Until these guys fight each other we will never know the truth.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 10:03 I don't think it's a question of Povetkin staying away from them. I don't think anybody is ever gonna bother to give him a shot again since he can't be counted on to actually show up at the fight without failing a drug test.

Badhusker wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 17:51

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 10:03 I don't think it's a question of Povetkin staying away from them. I don't think anybody is ever gonna bother to give him a shot again since he can't be counted on to actually show up at the fight without failing a drug test.

Staying away from them? If you are responding to what someone said, quote it so we can understand WTF you are talkng about. If what you say has nothing to do with what a previous poster said, I would understand. A couple other people do this too, but it is, and they are, stupid.

jamamb wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 17:56 what if hes the mandatory though? can they just ignore him w/o being stripped?

jamamb wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 17:56 what if hes the mandatory though? can they just ignore him w/o being stripped?

Badhusker wrote: ↑15 Dec 2017, 22:19 Povetkin is officially the WBA mandatory for Joshua now. They have yet another reason to put the Wilder fight off.

IronFrost wrote: ↑15 Dec 2017, 17:16

asdfjkl wrote: ↑15 Dec 2017, 17:06 He just wins all rounds, I don't see any other boxer out there who's better, Tyson Fury mught become it again, but not any time soon.

Hahahaha. That was a good one. Tyson Fury who has no power actualy knocked Hammer down.


Povetkin is no beast anymore without his doping. Parker beats him too lmao,

Kalan wrote: ↑17 Dec 2017, 02:35

IronFrost wrote: ↑15 Dec 2017, 17:16

asdfjkl wrote: ↑15 Dec 2017, 17:06 He just wins all rounds, I don't see any other boxer out there who's better, Tyson Fury mught become it again, but not any time soon.

Hahahaha. That was a good one. Tyson Fury who has no power actualy knocked Hammer down.


Povetkin is no beast anymore without his doping. Parker beats him too lmao,

Povetkin never doped and there's no evidence he ever did... Parker wouldn't beat him... But they waited Povetkin out so now he's an old man... By his 2 most recent performances he's not going to beat Joshua, but he did better against Takam than Joshua did -- but Povetkin-Takam was over 3 years ago and that's when he should have gotten his shot... Both Povetkin and Ortiz are old men now... They were effectively side lined by Wilder and the WBC for years with the help of VADA -- who lied their cheating asses off and were forced to admit that Povetkin didn't use PEDs for Wilder.

jamamb wrote: ↑17 Dec 2017, 02:40 funny how he suddenly lost that ktfo power too

KiwiRider wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 18:23

Badhusker wrote: ↑15 Dec 2017, 22:19 Povetkin is officially the WBA mandatory for Joshua now. They have yet another reason to put the Wilder fight off.

True, and who else should he fight?
Be nice for him to get a good retirement pay, plus it is a fight I would like to see after AJ has had Parker for breakfast in March, and Wilder is still faffing about on social media. Nice gap filler IMO

jamamb wrote: ↑17 Dec 2017, 05:23 trump forced povetkin to take drugs. thats what all the russia nonsense is about that he doesnt want ppl to know

Badhusker wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 17:45

candyslim wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 17:25 I have to admit that the Povetkin who destroyed the normally extremely tough and durable Duhaupas (albeit a very short notice replacement) bears little resemblance to the Povetkin who laboured to a points decision over Rudenko and Hammer. The guy is 38 now but his skills don't seem to have suffered like his power, and I'm not going to rule out coming off PEDs as a possible explanation.

The Russians are known for promoting the use of PEDs among their athletes, I guess a Russian boxer might have a rather more relaxed attitude to using drugs to get ahead than his counterpart in the west (not that they are all squeaky clean in the west of course) That doesn't excuse cheating but it makes it a little easier to understand that it is probably tempting not to kick against the system but to go with the flow..

I do like Povetkin though. He has good defense while going forward, cuts the ring off well, and throws excellent hooks and uppercuts, mixing them up very effectively. I find him very good to watch and I admire his willingness to take on quality opposition ... and Hammer

I do agree though that Joshua is too big and too good, and Povetkin would most likely get a good payday and a good hiding. I've an idea Eddie would be quite keen on a Joshua v Povetkin fight. I'd give him a good chance against Wilder even now though. An even better chance if he can stop off at the Chemist (drugstore) enroute.

You spew a lot of BS without saying much. Beginning to remind me of an odd version of EO, or another dipshit that used to post here.

greg wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 17:50

candyslim wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 17:25 ...I guess a Russian boxer might have a rather more relaxed attitude to using drugs to get ahead than his counterpart in the west (not that they are all squeaky clean in the west of course) That doesn't excuse cheating but it makes it a little easier to understand that it is probably tempting not to kick against the system but to go with the flow..

...speaking of the Russian professional boxers who used/have been using PEDs the following info might be helpful as a basis for comparison with their "counterparts in the west":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... _in_boxing

candyslim wrote: ↑17 Dec 2017, 09:39 ps BH. I don't always agree with him but as a poster EO is worth ten of you in my opinion.

greg wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 17:50

candyslim wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 17:25 ...I guess a Russian boxer might have a rather more relaxed attitude to using drugs to get ahead than his counterpart in the west (not that they are all squeaky clean in the west of course) That doesn't excuse cheating but it makes it a little easier to understand that it is probably tempting not to kick against the system but to go with the flow..

...speaking of the Russian professional boxers who used/have been using PEDs the following info might be helpful as a basis for comparison with their "counterparts in the west":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... _in_boxing

Well my comments were largely based on your nation's olympic policy Greg. It wasn't my intention to offend you but this is very much the international perception be that justified or not. I stand by what I said.