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x2x wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 18:10 I just hope the fight's legit and they're not paying Ortiz to take a dive, and also that Doctor Margaret and her NeVADA crew don't plant something on him.

I don't believe Ortiz would consider taking a dive for a moment. If money was his sole motivation he'd have sat on his arse until March and fought Joshua in London as the WBA mandatory challenger. Win or lose he'd have been nicely set-up for his retirement.

Instead he decides to give up his WBA mandatory challenger position to fight Wilder. The only explanation that makes sense is that he thought he would relieve Wilder of his green belt, getting a decent payday in the process, and then face Joshua as a fellow champion in a unification fight for mega money. Say what you like about Senor Ortiz but the man has supreme confidence in his ability. He's not going to be taking any fall-over money.

Ron C. It is very risky I grant you. I still don't understand why Deontay didn't take the two or three times bigger purse to fight Whyte in London. Clearly getting done for honing his skills on a call-girl hasn't prevented him from travelling to the UK because he was here for the AJ/Wlad fight.

candyslim wrote: ↑17 Jan 2018, 04:29

x2x wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 18:10 I just hope the fight's legit and they're not paying Ortiz to take a dive, and also that Doctor Margaret and her NeVADA crew don't plant something on him.

I don't believe Ortiz would consider taking a dive for a moment. If money was his sole motivation he'd have sat on his arse until March and fought Joshua in London as the WBA mandatory challenger. Win or lose he'd have been nicely set-up for his retirement.

Instead he decides to give up his WBA mandatory challenger position to fight Wilder. The only explanation that makes sense is that he thought he would relieve Wilder of his green belt, getting a decent payday in the process, and then face Joshua as a fellow champion in a unification fight for mega money. Say what you like about Senor Ortiz but the man has supreme confidence in his ability. He's not going to be taking any fall-over money.

Ron C. It is very risky I grant you. I still don't understand why Deontay didn't take the two or three times bigger purse to fight Whyte in London. Clearly getting done for honing his skills on a call-girl hasn't prevented him from travelling to the UK because he was here for the AJ/Wlad fight.

If Ortiz wins he'd be the first authentic Cuban heavyweight champion. That might induce them to legalize pro boxing in Cuba. Boxing is very popular there but pro boxing is illegal. The Cuban champ in the 1970's, Teofilo Stevenson, always wanted to fight M. Ali but they wouldn't allow him to. Then there was the USSR Russian fighter, Igor Vysotsky, who actually beat Teofilo Stevenson twice. Boxing was illegal in the USSR and eastern Europe then too so he couldn't compete in the pros either. Ali and all of those American hype jobs back then weren't real "world champions", they were just US champions, and not really even that because so many fights were fixed. Andrew Golota was the first eastern European to break into big time heavyweight pro boxing. He could have and should have been champ but he robbed himself a couple of times and corrupt judges robbed him a couple of times, and a couple of other times, like vs Lewis and Grant, I don't even know what the hell happened, except we are not getting the true story.

But then on the other hand, as corrupt as pro boxing is, maybe Cuba and the commies have the right idea outlawing it after all.

x2x wrote: ↑17 Jan 2018, 13:57

candyslim wrote: ↑17 Jan 2018, 04:29

x2x wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 18:10 I just hope the fight's legit and they're not paying Ortiz to take a dive, and also that Doctor Margaret and her NeVADA crew don't plant something on him.

I don't believe Ortiz would consider taking a dive for a moment. If money was his sole motivation he'd have sat on his arse until March and fought Joshua in London as the WBA mandatory challenger. Win or lose he'd have been nicely set-up for his retirement.

Instead he decides to give up his WBA mandatory challenger position to fight Wilder. The only explanation that makes sense is that he thought he would relieve Wilder of his green belt, getting a decent payday in the process, and then face Joshua as a fellow champion in a unification fight for mega money. Say what you like about Senor Ortiz but the man has supreme confidence in his ability. He's not going to be taking any fall-over money.

Ron C. It is very risky I grant you. I still don't understand why Deontay didn't take the two or three times bigger purse to fight Whyte in London. Clearly getting done for honing his skills on a call-girl hasn't prevented him from travelling to the UK because he was here for the AJ/Wlad fight.

If Ortiz wins he'd be the first authentic Cuban heavyweight champion. That might induce them to legalize pro boxing in Cuba. Boxing is very popular there but pro boxing is illegal. The Cuban champ in the 1970's, Teofilo Stevenson, always wanted to fight M. Ali but they wouldn't allow him to. Then there was the USSR Russian fighter, Igor Vysotsky, who actually beat Teofilo Stevenson twice. Boxing was illegal in the USSR and eastern Europe then too so he couldn't compete in the pros either. Ali and all of those American hype jobs back then weren't real "world champions", they were just US champions, and not really even that because so many fights were fixed. Andrew Golota was the first eastern European to break into big time heavyweight pro boxing. He could have and should have been champ but he robbed himself a couple of times and corrupt judges robbed him a couple of times, and a couple of other times, like vs Lewis and Grant, I don't even know what the hell happened, except we are not getting the true story.

But then on the other hand, as corrupt as pro boxing is, maybe Cuba and the commies have the right idea outlawing it after all.

Please enlighten us further on how whacko Golota was robbed and jobbed in some of his big bouts.

He gets clocked quickly by Lewis, knocked down twice without putting up any real effort.

Against Grant, Golota is ahead on points (where are those corrupt judges??), gets knocked down by a right hand. He gets up and the referee asks him, not once, but twice "Do you want to fight?"

Golota answers, not once but twice "No, no."

Yeah, the Pole was really robbed by those corrupt referees.

Even Duva acknowledged that Golota was a real head case.

Please keep digging for the real story.

Golata......the memory firmly etched in my mind was his two DQ losses to Riddick Bowe for low blows. What a freaking idiot. Even his trainer at the time couldn't defend him. I never watched him fight again after that.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑17 Jan 2018, 18:09
Please enlighten us further on how whacko Golota was robbed and jobbed in some of his big bouts....

Golota beat both Byrd (IBF title fight) and Ruiz (WBA title fight) fairly and squarely with no monkey business at all, and that despite the constant dogging by the so-called referee (full time job boxing mob money launderer *) who was bizarrely always assigned to harass him (George Foreman, the only honest boxing commentator, spoke out about that) , Randy Neumann, who ignored a few of Golota's of his knockdowns of Byrd (he was punched and his gloves touched the ground - a knockdown - should have got the count), and in both those championship fights Golota was outright robbed by the judges.

There was a lot more going on with the Lewis and Grant fights than you know about.


* https://www.randyneumann.com/

I think that's harsh to call them "US champions" x2x rather than "World champions". It wasn't pro-boxing's fault that the communist countries were ideologically unable to compete., and US fighters still had stiff competition from other "free world" nations especially in the lighter weight categories.

It is true though that the entry of former Warsaw Pact nations into Pro Boxing has added strength in depth and improved competition enormously. As a child and a young man I always wished Pro Boxing was universal, especially when denied the chance to watch Teofilo Stevenson compete against the best heavies in the world.

x2x wrote: ↑17 Jan 2018, 21:06

SenorPipino wrote: ↑17 Jan 2018, 18:09
Please enlighten us further on how whacko Golota was robbed and jobbed in some of his big bouts....

Golota beat both Byrd (IBF title fight) and Ruiz (WBA title fight) fairly and squarely with no monkey business at all, and that despite the constant dogging by the so-called referee (full time job boxing mob money launderer *) who was bizarrely always assigned to harass him (George Foreman, the only honest boxing commentator, spoke out about that) , Randy Neumann, who ignored a few of Golota's of his knockdowns of Byrd (he was punched and his gloves touched the ground - a knockdown - should have got the count), and in both those championship fights Golota was outright robbed by the judges.

There was a lot more going on with the Lewis and Grant fights than you know about.


* https://www.randyneumann.com/

Maybe, although you still haven't explained what shannanigans were occurring in the Grant and Lewis bouts.

It simply appears that Golota did what he usually did when he encountered adversity---he went loco and checked out of the fight.

See his disgraceful foul filled matches with Bowe for further illumination......And his fearful begging to his corner after just 1 round not to send him out for another round against Tyson (and later telling the ref, who wasn't the treacherous Neumann, that he didn't want to fight anymore)....And his sinking his teeth into Sampson Po'uha after being badly hurt by a punch.

It's all on that whack job Golota. Why even bother to defend him?

He defines the term "mentally unstable."

SenorPipino wrote: ↑18 Jan 2018, 09:57

x2x wrote: ↑17 Jan 2018, 21:06

SenorPipino wrote: ↑17 Jan 2018, 18:09
Please enlighten us further on how whacko Golota was robbed and jobbed in some of his big bouts....

Golota beat both Byrd (IBF title fight) and Ruiz (WBA title fight) fairly and squarely with no monkey business at all, and that despite the constant dogging by the so-called referee (full time job boxing mob money launderer *) who was bizarrely always assigned to harass him (George Foreman, the only honest boxing commentator, spoke out about that) , Randy Neumann, who ignored a few of Golota's of his knockdowns of Byrd (he was punched and his gloves touched the ground - a knockdown - should have got the count), and in both those championship fights Golota was outright robbed by the judges.

There was a lot more going on with the Lewis and Grant fights than you know about.


* https://www.randyneumann.com/

Maybe, although you still haven't explained what shannanigans were occurring in the Grant and Lewis bouts.

It simply appears that Golota did what he usually did when he encountered adversity---he went loco and checked out of the fight.

See his disgraceful foul filled matches with Bowe for further illumination......And his fearful begging to his corner after just 1 round not to send him out for another round against Tyson (and later telling the ref, who wasn't the treacherous Neumann, that he didn't want to fight anymore)....And his sinking his teeth into Sampson Po'uha after being badly hurt by a punch.

It's all on that whack job Golota. Why even bother to defend him?

He defines the term "mentally unstable."

Because, as I said, he was the first eastern european or russian to hit the big time in pro boxing. Before that the hyped up champs were really just USA champs, or USA-UK champs, and nothing more. Bowe was considered the best heavy in the world at the time and Golota was just supposed to be a joke, a stay busy fight. Golota destroyed Bowe in both fights. Neither was "foul filled", but it was as if Golota deliberately lost both easily won fights by blatantly punching low at the end. If he did it would be an odd way to throw a fight, but it wouldn't be the only fights that Golota threw or odd fight. Golota didn't have one punch KO power but what he did do was permanently damage people by an accumulation of very heavy blows. Bowe was reduced to almost a vegetable after those two fights. He can hardly talk. Many of G's fights were incredibly bizarre, like the Tyson fight. Golota was so strong that he actually won round two of the Tyson fight even though he just wanted to go home. Actually he got some kind of head injury and he was right to want to leave instead of soldiering on like poor Abdusalamov did.

I don't care to go into the bizarre details of his fight with Lewis and Grant right now, but like I said there was a lot more to those fights than you know about. Golota was a tremendously talented fighter before he hurt his shoulder in a car accident, as he demonstrated in the two Bowe fights. And yes he was also a nut - and - significantly - he was mixed up with the Polish mob.

Despite all he should have been heavyweight champ because he beat Byrd and Ruiz.

This should be a separate Golota thread and not on a Wilder-Ortiz thread. Perhaps it can be moved to the boxing history forum.