WILDER 2.125-1 over KING KONG ORTIZ---too hi or

[dickbelden]

too lo ? ---ODDSCHECKER

[asdfjkl]

Without cheating? It's very very high payed, unless they know something I don't know yet, I wouldn't be surprised if he loses badly in a fair match and neither would I be surprised if Wilder never shows up, I can't wait to hear what's the excuse this time.

[Enlightened-One]

This fight is going to play out like the Witherspoon-Smith and Klitschko-Solis bouts, with Wilder-Ortiz seemingly considered a potentially exciting and very competitive match-up on paper, but will ultimately turn into a one-sided beatdown, because it's inevitable that 'The Bronze Bomber' is going to stop 'King Kong' within three rounds.

[candyslim]

I can see the possibility of that happening, but I wouldn't be so sure: Luis has never been fleet of foot, and even in his prime seemed measured and methodical. He has always been about power, durability and having the technique to apply that power.

Two years ago I'd have said "Ortiz - No question" Now I'm leaning ever so slightly toward Wllder but it's by no means a gimme, and I think those odds are bonkers.

[Badhusker]

To me it is Wilder that should win, but its not going to be easy. Scott survived against Ortiz because he ran scared. Wilder will use movement and use his jab to control the distance. I think Ortiz will be patient and wait for a big counter.

It makes me laugh when people say Ortiz has aged so much now and is so slow from 36 to 38. His style hasn't changed. He never was fleet of foot. Those that have watched boxing a long time know the style of your opponent has an effect how you look. Watching two unbeaten heavyweights will be fun, because they both plan on winning, and won't back down.

The best technical version of Wilder was Stiverne 1 imo. He needs to fight smart and not only go for the one big shot, or he may find himself on the receiving end of one.

[Lackeos]

What are the odds of the fight being cancelled, though?

[gilgamesh]

Odds sound about right I guess.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Ortiz is gonna take this. Surprised at the odds.

[SenorPipino]

I dont know. Some are claiming that Ortiz looked bad against bad opposition in his last fights, I think that he looked kinda good and that the fighters werent that bad. Meanwhile Wilder has looked super vulnerable for ages. I think that Wilder is tired of being a fraud and that he's just gonna take his loss like a man now. That or we'll see Wilder Vs Stiverine III "The vanilla thrilla" or Ortiz vs Stiverine I.

You thought that Martz and Allen "weren't bad?"

How many drinks for you today?

Just warm bodies. The proverbial "opponent." Club fighters.

Ortiz did what he was supposed to do. Blow them out.

Amusing that you actually believe that the unbeaten Wilder is resigned to losing, considers himself a fraud and wants to "take a loss like a man."

Do you believe this stuff or are you hallucinating?

Wilder didn't have to offer Ortiz another opportunity, you know.

He had no obligation to give King Kong a second chance at a big payday once he supposedly mismanaged his hypertension medication.

Wilder sees the lumbering Cuban as mere cannon fodder and is drooling at prospect of exposing Ortiz as another run of the mill puncher with limited skills and mobility.

The odds are currently about -225 Wilder.

By fight night, the champ will be a better than 3-1 choice.

Bet on it.

[Mexi-Box]

Wilder has the stylistic advantage and age. Ortiz has looked horrible. After he flattened Jennings, I would've favored him. Now, I think Wilder should be the favorite. I'm rooting for Ortiz, though.

[Enlightened-One]

This fight is going to play out like the Witherspoon-Smith and Klitschko-Solis bouts, with Wilder-Ortiz seemingly considered a potentially exciting and very competitive match-up on paper, but will ultimately turn into a one-sided beatdown, because it's inevitable that 'The Bronze Bomber' is going to stop 'King Kong' within three rounds.

I can see the possibility of that happening, but I wouldn't be so sure: Luis has never been fleet of foot, and even in his prime seemed measured and methodical. He has always been about power, durability and having the technique to apply that power.

Two years ago I'd have said "Ortiz - No question" Now I'm leaning ever so slightly toward Wllder but it's by no means a gimme, and I think those odds are bonkers.

I really can’t help thinking that ‘The Bronze Bomber’ knows something about the Cuban that we don’t and that he may somehow possess insider knowledge about Ortiz not being anywhere near as good as advertised.

Whilst the calibre of Wilder’s resume is pretty poor, he did travel extensively to spar with the likes of Haye and Klitschko when they were at the very peak of their powers, which means that he probably knows a lot of fighters on a personal level, several of which may have also sparred with Ortiz.

I also feel that Ortiz’s most recent lacklustre performances against the likes of Jennings, Scott & Allen indicated a trend that suggested that he’s already on the decline (perhaps due to his advanced years), which is unusual for a heavyweight fighter that has never faced a stern test since he made his pro debut almost eight years ago.

Put it this way, Wilder wanted to face Ortiz rather than perform a mandatory defence of his title against Stiverne, he still wanted to fight the Cuban even after testing positive for banned substances and Deontay agreed to face ‘King Kong’ as soon as he was able to compete again, which strongly suggests that the American really fancies the job.

This leads me to conclude that Deontay will either dispose of Ortiz in shocking double-quick fashion or that he’ll score a dominant one-sided decision victory, much akin to his first fight against Bermane Stiverne. Either way, I have this awful gut feeling that the fight won’t be competitive at all, even though on paper it should be.

If ‘The Bronze Bomber’ dominates the Cuban, which I thoroughly expect him to do, then it elevates his status in the sport and puts him in a strong position to negotiate decent terms for an eventual title-unification Wembley Stadium-filling summer super-fight against Anthony Joshua.

[Bard of Boxrec]

I don't see any actual breakdown of what each guy has that convinces me Wilder should be the favourite here. He isn't very good.

Ortiz has better skills, better variety, puts them together better, is tougher. Wilder is just Bambi on rollerskates. I fully expect Ortiz to dispatch of Wilder within 7 rounds, assuming his lacklustre display against Malik Scott wasn't him just getting old overnight.

[Tony1244]

What are the odds of the fight being cancelled, though?

About 75%.

[Kalan]

9/4 for an Ortiz win is a good bet I would say... I'd make Ortiz an 8/5 favorite at this point.... He's got a tricky style and his right uppercut and right hook are savage weapons... I'd make him a 10/1 favorite but he's an old man....

After he destroyed Jennings -- when Ortiz couldn't get anyone to fight, I wonder if he took it a little easy on his opponents... You don't want to scare everybody off... With the Jennings fight he looked like a monster... NOBODY was interested.

The odds makers must think... "This is a middle-aged man on meds for high blood pressure... How risky can he be?

Obviously when you're trying to find a line to open with you gotta take medical and age factors into consideration.

[caldo2025]

I think that Wilder sees something that that he can exploit in Ortiz and it's significant enough that he wants this fight badly. Maybe it's the age coupled with Ortiz's inflated reputation as a top heavyweight that makes the fight so attractive to Wilder. Let's face it, on paper, Ortiz will be the top fighter on Wilder's resume. But in reality, we are talking about a fighter that is a lot closer to 40 and at heavyweight, that's not a huge risk for a young legit fighter like Wilder. I don't think the odds are high enough.

[Ilya Muromets]

I just hope the fight's legit and they're not paying Ortiz to take a dive, and also that Doctor Margaret and her NeVADA crew don't plant something on him.

[IronFrost]

9/4 for an Ortiz win is a good bet I would say... I'd make Ortiz an 8/5 favorite at this point.... He's got a tricky style and his right uppercut and right hook are savage weapons... I'd make him a 10/1 favorite but he's an old man....

After he destroyed Jennings -- when Ortiz couldn't get anyone to fight, I wonder if he took it a little easy on his opponents... You don't want to scare everybody off... With the Jennings fight he looked like a monster... NOBODY was interested.

The odds makers must think... "This is a middle-aged man on meds for high blood pressure... How risky can he be?

Obviously when you're trying to find a line to open with you gotta take medical and age factors into consideration.

He used those meds for masking steroids lul

[world ranked]

WIlder's price will go up so if your interesting take him as early as possible.

[Kalan]

9/4 for an Ortiz win is a good bet I would say... I'd make Ortiz an 8/5 favorite at this point.... He's got a tricky style and his right uppercut and right hook are savage weapons... I'd make him a 10/1 favorite but he's an old man....

After he destroyed Jennings -- when Ortiz couldn't get anyone to fight, I wonder if he took it a little easy on his opponents... You don't want to scare everybody off... With the Jennings fight he looked like a monster... NOBODY was interested.

The odds makers must think... "This is a middle-aged man on meds for high blood pressure... How risky can he be?

Obviously when you're trying to find a line to open with you gotta take medical and age factors into consideration.

He used those meds for masking steroids lul

BULLCRAP!!!! .... Nobody gives you banned substances to mask banned substances if they have a brain in their head.... That makes as much sense as cutting off a finger to get rid of a hang nail... He had a prescribed med for high blood pressure and it had a different name on the banned list than on the label... They checked it against the list and didn't catch it because if the different chemical name.

He was willing to take hair follicle test at his own expense and they catch everything.

[IronFrost]

9/4 for an Ortiz win is a good bet I would say... I'd make Ortiz an 8/5 favorite at this point.... He's got a tricky style and his right uppercut and right hook are savage weapons... I'd make him a 10/1 favorite but he's an old man....

After he destroyed Jennings -- when Ortiz couldn't get anyone to fight, I wonder if he took it a little easy on his opponents... You don't want to scare everybody off... With the Jennings fight he looked like a monster... NOBODY was interested.

The odds makers must think... "This is a middle-aged man on meds for high blood pressure... How risky can he be?

Obviously when you're trying to find a line to open with you gotta take medical and age factors into consideration.

He used those meds for masking steroids lul

BULLCRAP!!!! .... Nobody gives you banned substances to mask banned substances if they have a brain in their head.... That makes as much sense as cutting off a finger to get rid of a hang nail... He had a prescribed med for high blood pressure and it had a different name on the banned list than on the label... They checked it against the list and didn't catch it because if the different chemical name.

He was willing to take hair follicle test at his own expense and they catch everything.

Ortiz already failed 2x before Wilder. Why should i defend some cheaters like Ortiz , Briggs , Browne or Povetkin?

Not my fault that their doctors and team are retards )

[candyslim]

I think you might have something there EO about Wilder having insider knowledge about Ortiz (you really didn’t mean to include Jennings on Ortiz’s lacklustre performance list did you, I’m sure that was a typo or something?)

At the risk of sending poor Badhusker into a fit of apoplexy, Wilder or his team have always been very selective in their choice of opponents, and those likely to be in with a chance are carefully screened out. Like Snr Pipino says – Wilder didn’t need to give Ortiz another chance - which suggests you might be on the right track.

I’d really like to believe that Deontay’s pride means that he is tired of assholes like me pouring scorn over his resume and he wants to stick the criticism down our throats.

One thing is for sure and that is that unlike any of his previous opponents it’s not difficult to envisage Ortiz winning and for that reason I give Wilder credit for taking the fight.

Wilder v Ortiz and Joshua v Parker … fings is looking up!

[Enlightened-One]

I think you might have something there EO about Wilder having insider knowledge about Ortiz (you really didn’t mean to include Jennings on Ortiz’s lacklustre performance list did you, I’m sure that was a typo or something?)

The nature of this sentence may be oxymoronic in nature, but despite Luis Ortiz’s victory over Bryant Jennings being fairly impressive on paper, the Cuban proved himself in that fight to not being anywhere near as good as HBO hyped him up to be:

• ‘King Kong’ didn’t attempt to close the show when he had Jennings in trouble on several occasions
• The Cuban’s work-rate dipped significantly for a minute or so shortly after throwing each barrage of shots, which suggests stamina issues
• He allowed his opponent to work on the inside without returning fire, which resulted in him needlessly losing rounds on the scorecards
• His pacing during the Jennings bout was poor. The Cuban knew he was capable of hurting his opponent and spent too much time trying to repeat the success he gained during the first round by loading up instead of letting his hands go. Better opponents will exploit that tendency and seek to rack-up a decent lead on the scorecards whilst Ortiz patiently waits for an opportunity to land one of his haymakers

For sure, Luis Ortiz is fundamentally sound and is one of the more technically skilled fighters currently competing in the heavyweight division, but his limitations seem obvious and appear to have been initially exposed during the Jennings bout.

The main issue I have with Ortiz relates to a gradual decline of his performance levels we’ve witnessed since the Jennings bout and I feel that he’s a fighter that had never truly earned his monstrously-hyped reputation, which leads me to believe that he is ready for the taking and that his “O” is about to “GO”!

Luis Ortiz kind of reminds me of someone like Lucian Bute in terms of hype. And I think he’s been specifically chosen by Team Wilder to lose... and lose spectacularly.

It seems inevitable that he’s going to follow the footsteps of other hyped-up accomplished amateur Cuban heavyweights, like Jorge Luis Gonzalez and Odlanier Solis, where he’ll fail miserably at the highest level in the pro ranks.

Perhaps I’m being a bit too harsh? Maybe I’m wrong, but I really can’t help the way I feel.

[candyslim]

You're a tough man to please EO. I grant you he has looked very pedestrian since then but I thought he looked terrifying against Jennings. As for not finishing him sooner, I think he was enjoying himself too much and was in no hurry.

I just hope he has still got it because when you're into your thirties (forties maybe in Ortiz case) then deterioration can be very sudden and happen anytime or it can be a long gradual process. I'd like him to validate Wilder in the way Wlad did for AJ.

[asdfjkl]

I just hope the fight's legit and they're not paying Ortiz to take a dive, and also that Doctor Margaret and her NeVADA crew don't plant something on him.

+1 or stand on the side of the ring saying Ortiz can't continue any more! Doctors advice!

[Ron C]

Wilder fighting Ortiz and Joshua fighting Parker is a major risk to the biggest fight that can be made in Boxing right now, Joshua/Wilder. One of them is gonna end up losing one of these fights. I think we're gonna have another Yuriorkis Gamboa vs. Juan Manuel Lopez on our hands here. Where they hype up a mega fight and one of them loses and the excitement dies out before it comes to be