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Re: Joseph Parker vs. Luis Ortiz: The Unconsidered Alternative Outcome
Posted: 11 Feb 2018, 18:15
by Rob3_142
BillW wrote: ↑08 Feb 2018, 22:24
I have to laugh every time I see posters belittle the class of fighter that Joseph Parker has fought.
Just for the record , if we look at the last opponent for Wilder, Joshua and Ortiz, (the other protagonists in the March "tournament") we find...
Wilder fought Stiverne. ( Parker's ex sparring partner)
Joshua fought Takam (a Parker victim)
Ortiz fought Martz (another Parker victim)
Talk about levels!
This is a joke, right?
How does association by sparring partner or opponent count for anything?
Stiverne is Wilder's best opponent, which is terrible to say the least, Parker's performance against Takam was nothing short of poor, whereas Joshua fought Takam at 6 days notice, and battered him for 10 rounds. Which by the way, also came after knocking Klitschko out in brutal fashion in the 11th.
Parker's best three wins are Takam, Ruiz Jr and Fury. Ruiz Jr and Fury remain an unknown quantity as they have themselves not fought anyone inside the top 50, of which both made Parker look very average.
Re: Joseph Parker vs. Luis Ortiz: The Unconsidered Alternative Outcome
Posted: 11 Feb 2018, 22:05
by BillW
Rob3_142 wrote: ↑11 Feb 2018, 18:15
BillW wrote: ↑08 Feb 2018, 22:24
I have to laugh every time I see posters belittle the class of fighter that Joseph Parker has fought.
Just for the record , if we look at the last opponent for Wilder, Joshua and Ortiz, (the other protagonists in the March "tournament") we find...
Wilder fought Stiverne. ( Parker's ex sparring partner)
Joshua fought Takam (a Parker victim)
Ortiz fought Martz (another Parker victim)
Talk about levels!
This is a joke, right?
How does association by sparring partner or opponent count for anything?
Stiverne is Wilder's best opponent, which is terrible to say the least, Parker's performance against Takam was nothing short of poor, whereas Joshua fought Takam at 6 days notice, and battered him for 10 rounds. Which by the way, also came after knocking Klitschko out in brutal fashion in the 11th.
Parker's best three wins are Takam, Ruiz Jr and Fury. Ruiz Jr and Fury remain an unknown quantity as they have themselves not fought anyone inside the top 50, of which both made Parker look very average.
So Takam only got six days notice now?
You're making up shit.
I shake my head,
and rest my case.
Re: Joseph Parker vs. Luis Ortiz: The Unconsidered Alternative Outcome
Posted: 16 Feb 2018, 15:11
by Rob3_142
BillW wrote: ↑11 Feb 2018, 22:05
Rob3_142 wrote: ↑11 Feb 2018, 18:15
BillW wrote: ↑08 Feb 2018, 22:24
I have to laugh every time I see posters belittle the class of fighter that Joseph Parker has fought.
Just for the record , if we look at the last opponent for Wilder, Joshua and Ortiz, (the other protagonists in the March "tournament") we find...
Wilder fought Stiverne. ( Parker's ex sparring partner)
Joshua fought Takam (a Parker victim)
Ortiz fought Martz (another Parker victim)
Talk about levels!
This is a joke, right?
How does association by sparring partner or opponent count for anything?
Stiverne is Wilder's best opponent, which is terrible to say the least, Parker's performance against Takam was nothing short of poor, whereas Joshua fought Takam at 6 days notice, and battered him for 10 rounds. Which by the way, also came after knocking Klitschko out in brutal fashion in the 11th.
Parker's best three wins are Takam, Ruiz Jr and Fury. Ruiz Jr and Fury remain an unknown quantity as they have themselves not fought anyone inside the top 50, of which both made Parker look very average.
So Takam only got six days notice now?
You're making up poo.
I shake my head,
and rest my case.
You shake your head and rest your case?
How many days do you think he got? You are aware that he was scheduled to fight Pulev, right?
Re: Joseph Parker vs. Luis Ortiz: The Unconsidered Alternative Outcome
Posted: 16 Feb 2018, 19:11
by Badhusker
Rob3_142 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2018, 15:11
BillW wrote: ↑11 Feb 2018, 22:05
Rob3_142 wrote: ↑11 Feb 2018, 18:15
This is a joke, right?
How does association by sparring partner or opponent count for anything?
Stiverne is Wilder's best opponent, which is terrible to say the least, Parker's performance against Takam was nothing short of poor, whereas Joshua fought Takam at 6 days notice, and battered him for 10 rounds. Which by the way, also came after knocking Klitschko out in brutal fashion in the 11th.
Parker's best three wins are Takam, Ruiz Jr and Fury. Ruiz Jr and Fury remain an unknown quantity as they have themselves not fought anyone inside the top 50, of which both made Parker look very average.
So Takam only got six days notice now?
You're making up poo.
I shake my head,
and rest my case.
You shake your head and rest your case?
How many days do you think he got? You are aware that he was scheduled to fight Pulev, right?
I think Joshua vs Takam was set up from the beginning. They knew Pulev would pull out, just like he had done in the past. They notified Takam right after signing the fight with Pulev to be on "standby" just in case they needed a replacement. How often does that happen? Very strange.
Re: Joseph Parker vs. Luis Ortiz: The Unconsidered Alternative Outcome
Posted: 16 Feb 2018, 19:30
by jamamb
thats what you call good promoting. have a plan b ready to go if plan a falls through. you could say aj fought takam at 6 days notice, but in reality id think aj and his team wouldve been more prepared for him then that suggests, as they wouldve known he was the 'standby' option if pulev didnt fight.
still aj did way better vs takam than parker did and takam was parkers opponent from the start
Re: Joseph Parker vs. Luis Ortiz: The Unconsidered Alternative Outcome
Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 10:58
by Rob3_142
This is very much the case. Takam was always plan B, and was in camp, so prepared. However, for those of you who don't understand how boxers prepare for their fights, AJ was sparring the likes of Marius Wach, to replicate the size and stature of Pulev. Would have been tactically preparing for Pulev's style.
When Pulev pulled out with 6 days to go, all that preparation is essentially flushed down the toilet. I liken it to the likes of Cojanu replacing Fury at similar notice.
The difference is, Takam is a top 10 fighter and bashed around for 10 rounds, whereas Cojanu is outiside the top 100, a sparring partner, and escaped almost unscathed.
Re: Joseph Parker vs. Luis Ortiz: The Unconsidered Alternative Outcome
Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 16:54
by jamamb
i really doubt that knowing takam is a real possibility they wouldnt have looked into him and become familarized more than 6 days before. that would be poor
Re: Joseph Parker vs. Luis Ortiz: The Unconsidered Alternative Outcome
Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 17:58
by BillW
Rob3_142 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2018, 10:58
This is very much the case. Takam was always plan B, and was in camp, so prepared. However, for those of you who don't understand how boxers prepare for their fights, AJ was sparring the likes of Marius Wach, to replicate the size and stature of Pulev. Would have been tactically preparing for Pulev's style.
When Pulev pulled out with 6 days to go, all that preparation is essentially flushed down the toilet. I liken it to the likes of Cojanu replacing Fury at similar notice.
The difference is, Takam is a top 10 fighter and bashed around for 10 rounds, whereas Cojanu is outiside the top 100, a sparring partner, and escaped almost unscathed.
Rob you are talking crap.
Pulev pulled out two weeks before the fight and Takam got twelve days notice.
Takam was fit as he always is, but hadn't had any sparring.
Re: Joseph Parker vs. Luis Ortiz: The Unconsidered Alternative Outcome
Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 18:03
by Badhusker
Rob3_142 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2018, 10:58
This is very much the case. Takam was always plan B, and was in camp, so prepared. However, for those of you who don't understand how boxers prepare for their fights, AJ was sparring the likes of Marius Wach, to replicate the size and stature of Pulev. Would have been tactically preparing for Pulev's style.
When Pulev pulled out with 6 days to go, all that preparation is essentially flushed down the toilet. I liken it to the likes of Cojanu replacing Fury at similar notice.
The difference is, Takam is a top 10 fighter and bashed around for 10 rounds, whereas Cojanu is outiside the top 100, a sparring partner, and escaped almost unscathed.
6'1 1/2" vs 6'4 1/2" is a difference, but not as much as you claim. Like I said earlier, they knew Pulev didn't have the balls to fight anyway. That is why they lined up Takam.
Re: Joseph Parker vs. Luis Ortiz: The Unconsidered Alternative Outcome
Posted: 22 Feb 2018, 12:07
by Rob3_142
Badhusker wrote: ↑17 Feb 2018, 18:03
Rob3_142 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2018, 10:58
This is very much the case. Takam was always plan B, and was in camp, so prepared. However, for those of you who don't understand how boxers prepare for their fights, AJ was sparring the likes of Marius Wach, to replicate the size and stature of Pulev. Would have been tactically preparing for Pulev's style.
When Pulev pulled out with 6 days to go, all that preparation is essentially flushed down the toilet. I liken it to the likes of Cojanu replacing Fury at similar notice.
The difference is, Takam is a top 10 fighter and bashed around for 10 rounds, whereas Cojanu is outiside the top 100, a sparring partner, and escaped almost unscathed.
6'1 1/2" vs 6'4 1/2" is a difference, but not as much as you claim. Like I said earlier, they knew Pulev didn't have the balls to fight anyway. That is why they lined up Takam.
I think saying Pulev didn't have the balls to fight Joshua is a little bit fanciful. Pulev has been pushing for this fight for some time (although it is ironic that when it comes around he pulls out), and it would be easily his biggest pay day to date.
Granted there is not a massive difference between Takam and Pulev in height, but they are two fighters with very different styles. Pulev is a big jabber who likes to fight at distance, and Takam is a lot more dynamic, inside fighter. Although any world level fighter would be able to adapt their style to fight anyone on their day, the preparation for either would be very different.