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Tony1244 wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 10:58 The height, color, style and generation are all different but Wilder does have some things in common with Rocky Marciano. An undefeated record against limited opposition and they both lose rounds but pull out a victory.

The was Wilder's first win against a top 5 guy.

asdfjkl wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 08:52

MrGuy wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 03:27

asdfjkl wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 06:54 To my surprise I've finally been proven wrong by Deontay, I didn't expected this fight to actually happen and even if it would happen, it wouldn't be in a fair way. I'm really glad that I've finally been proven wrong. For me, it was an awesome fight to see, I had to stay awake all the way till 05:00 in the morning and despite I'm tired as hell right now, it was worth it for me.
I never stayed awake for any Wilder fight before and I hated the guy for never facing serious competition, somehow now he finally did and on top of that won the fight in a fair way.
I actually expected Wilder to lose this fight, but instead he took the beat, kept standing and eventually KOed Ortiz.

For me, Wilder is now finally a real top 3 guy, above Povetkin and with only Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury above him. I'd also have to say that I think Wilder earned a fight against either AJ or Tyson by this win. I expect AJ to fight Povetkin next, I think Tyson might become availeble soon.

I still don't have a clue why he refused to fight Dillian Whyte, especially since he could make about 5 mil (?) with it and on top of that, at least for the public, no serious excuses left for AJ to avoid the fight. In my opinion the Ortiz fight was a harder one, which generated less money, less credits afterwards and more risk. But whatever the case I'm happy the Ortiz fight happened.

Once again, congratz Deontay, you earned my respect!

Why would either be above him? Both have a best win against an old chinny fighter.

Old and chinny? What do you call Ortiz? Or Stiverne or whatever?

MrGuy wrote: ↑06 Mar 2018, 03:56

asdfjkl wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 08:52

MrGuy wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 03:27

Why would either be above him? Both have a best win against an old chinny fighter.

Old and chinny? What do you call Ortiz? Or Stiverne or whatever?

Ortiz may be old. Explain how a guy who has never been ko'd is chinny.

asdfjkl wrote: ↑06 Mar 2018, 04:44

MrGuy wrote: ↑06 Mar 2018, 03:56

asdfjkl wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 08:52
Old and chinny? What do you call Ortiz? Or Stiverne or whatever?

Ortiz may be old. Explain how a guy who has never been ko'd is chinny.

Who has never been KOed according to you?

MrGuy wrote: ↑06 Mar 2018, 03:56

asdfjkl wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 08:52

MrGuy wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 03:27

Why would either be above him? Both have a best win against an old chinny fighter.

Old and chinny? What do you call Ortiz? Or Stiverne or whatever?

Ortiz may be old. Explain how a guy who has never been ko'd is chinny.

MrGuy wrote: ↑06 Mar 2018, 06:41

asdfjkl wrote: ↑06 Mar 2018, 04:44

MrGuy wrote: ↑06 Mar 2018, 03:56
Ortiz may be old. Explain how a guy who has never been ko'd is chinny.

Who has never been KOed according to you?

I have no idea what youre talking about. It was said Ortiz was chinny. The guy had never been knocked out, and only dropped what.....once? How is that chinny?

MrGuy wrote: ↑06 Mar 2018, 06:41

asdfjkl wrote: ↑06 Mar 2018, 04:44

MrGuy wrote: ↑06 Mar 2018, 03:56
Ortiz may be old. Explain how a guy who has never been ko'd is chinny.

Who has never been KOed according to you?

I have no idea what youre talking about. It was said Ortiz was chinny. The guy had never been knocked out, and only dropped what.....once? How is that chinny?

asdfjkl wrote: ↑06 Mar 2018, 09:41

MrGuy wrote: ↑06 Mar 2018, 03:56

asdfjkl wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 08:52
Old and chinny? What do you call Ortiz? Or Stiverne or whatever?

Ortiz may be old. Explain how a guy who has never been ko'd is chinny.

MrGuy wrote: ↑06 Mar 2018, 06:41

asdfjkl wrote: ↑06 Mar 2018, 04:44
Who has never been KOed according to you?

I have no idea what youre talking about. It was said Ortiz was chinny. The guy had never been knocked out, and only dropped what.....once? How is that chinny?

You said "Why would either be above him? Both have a best win against an old chinny fighter.", you call Klitschko a chinny old fighter? While at the same time Luis Ortiz is not a chinny old fighter? Do you think Ortiz would win against Klitschko?
Stiverne has even been KOed by Demetrice King,

jamamb wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 01:27 nothing wrong at all with aj being above wilder, seems like a strange thing to go after unless your a major level hugger

oh and sup mrguy, how you doing my man

jamamb wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 01:36 oh i simply mean if someone thinks wilders clear cut #1

jamamb wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 01:39 well i actually like both a lot, think ajs a bit better and maybe slightly overrated, but wilder i think was really underrated for a while and overly hated, but getting rated more apprporiatly now

jamamb wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 02:17 ya pov wouldve been massacred your right

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 02:19

jamamb wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 02:17 ya pov wouldve been massacred your right

There is a reason why Wilder and his team wanted Ortiz really bad and didn't do all the hollering for Povetkin.

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 07:17 After having 40 bouts, it's nothing really that impressive to beat such a level of opponent because that's expected from a 32 year old title holder.

And Luis Ortiz really isn't as good as some made him out to be. He isn't any better than Jarrell Miller, Kubrat Pulev or even Johan Duhapas.

And I hope Alexander Povetkin doesn't even think about fighting any of those guys. Especially Anthony Joshua because it'd just be cruel, disgusting and a gruesome mismatch against Povetkin who is going to probably sacrifice years from his life, just for a payday. He is physically too weak and small to be anything more than a minor nuisance.

I don't even think he beats David Price in all honesty. Too much physical size and strength for Povetkin to overcome.

Putting Povetkin against the likes of Joshua is as cruel as animal torture or torturing a human by tying them up. It's against human rights! The poor, hopeless guy shouldn't even be allowed to compete in the heavyweight division.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 18:58 He scraped a win, thanks mostly to his chin.

MrGuy wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 03:04

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 02:19

jamamb wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 02:17 ya pov wouldve been massacred your right

There is a reason why Wilder and his team wanted Ortiz really bad and didn't do all the hollering for Povetkin.

Wasn't Povetkin lined up to fight him and he failed a drug test?

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 01:54Wilder is also lucky he didn't have to face Povetkin. It would've been a massacre.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 04:30

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 01:54Wilder is also lucky he didn't have to face Povetkin. It would've been a massacre.

I'm not sure about Povetkin being as good as you believe him to be. I don't expect the Russian to look good against David Price.

For sure, Povetkin may probably win that bout, but he'll deliver a very lacklustre performance.

I think that when reality inevitably fulfills my expectations, you'll very likely revise your opinion.

x2x wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 04:16

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 07:17 After having 40 bouts, it's nothing really that impressive to beat such a level of opponent because that's expected from a 32 year old title holder.

And Luis Ortiz really isn't as good as some made him out to be. He isn't any better than Jarrell Miller, Kubrat Pulev or even Johan Duhapas.

And I hope Alexander Povetkin doesn't even think about fighting any of those guys. Especially Anthony Joshua because it'd just be cruel, disgusting and a gruesome mismatch against Povetkin who is going to probably sacrifice years from his life, just for a payday. He is physically too weak and small to be anything more than a minor nuisance.

I don't even think he beats David Price in all honesty. Too much physical size and strength for Povetkin to overcome.

Putting Povetkin against the likes of Joshua is as cruel as animal torture or torturing a human by tying them up. It's against human rights! The poor, hopeless guy shouldn't even be allowed to compete in the heavyweight division.

Luis, you said u were a fan of Sasha, my Vityaz man!

caldo2025 wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 08:05 No idea how these people can possibly work in a Povetkin mention after such a monumental victory by Wilder. Do you know what Wilder did last Saturday Night that was even more surprising than knocking out a top talent like Ortiz? Wilder put some doubt into many minds that Joshua or anyone else might not be able to stop him after all.

Wilder's power is real. His heart is real. He's going to be a full course meal for anyone who finally gets him out of there. The worst part is that he's doing it while learning on the job. I know what I saw Saturday. I saw a guy that has to learn when to put his foot on the gas and he could be unstoppable. I can't see Joshua finishing on his feet if Wilder learns how to exert his will a little more often in fights.