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Grilling Machine wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 00:00 If you boost your free testosterone too much at the lighter weights you risk gaining size at a faster rate than strength, so it's recommended to use a smaller weekly dose that doesn't push you as far over your natural level. This also helps prevent your muscles from outgrowing the rest of your body and leading to injuries from tendon tears and so on. Lots of top powerlifters gain weight slowly with relatively conservative usage.

It's generally easier to catch sprinters for example, since their power gains are sometimes worth the price in additional weight (no weight divisions and lower stamina requirements). The likes of Christie and Chambers were much bigger towards the end of their careers. And even then, those who are caught could've usually evaded with luckier timing.

If the money and desire were there we could implement some form of DNA-profiling for athletes, but you'd never fully succeed in eradicating PEDs. How many times has Serena ‘retired’ now? Most tennis pros feign injury to cycle every year or so. Were profiling a thing in boxing, you'd see lots more prospects doing white-collar to learn their trade while cycling, turning pro later than they otherwise would've. It would curb pros racing through the weights, I suppose.

I think it's high time to talk about the legalisation of monitored usage. The effects of something like Nandrolone diminish at higher doses, and it's relatively safe at lower levels (for those without family histories of heart problems and such, although I wouldn't chance it). Because if you were getting a good chunk of its benefits at the legal dosage, the temptation to risk a ban for further marginal gains would be lessened.

Ultimately, I think it's still an image thing, where sponsors are highly aware of how damaging the reality would be if most people were informed. There are still millions who believe that Bolt was clean because of his stride, and even Cram — one of his biggest cheerleaders — avoided calling him clean towards the end of his career, reaching for ‘pure’ instead.

Some people put my view down to jealously, but I'm a terrible sprinter so that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It's not like I'm a clean 10-second rival, and he'd still be miles ahead of me if he took to Fury's home-cooking for a few years. Ben Johnson's twenty years older and he could still run me close! I find it interesting to consider who the last clean sprinter was, and I think it was probably one of those from the 10.1 and 10.2 groups. 9.9s were the best from 1968 to 1987, soon after which 9.8s become the elite standard.

Apols, I've waffled on a bit.

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑06 Mar 2018, 19:09

jamamb wrote: ↑06 Mar 2018, 18:35 ya nery had those trace amounts and made weight for the first fight, then for the second fight without a positive announced was 5 pounds over the limit. clen among many functions helps ppl cut weight significantly

Why would a boxer who avoided boxing as high as 160 just a few fights ago need help cutting weight 3 months away from a contest?

bripez wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 08:08 I was listening to Talksport yesterday on about Bradley Wiggins - they had this Doctor on who was an expert in respitaory diseases.

The Doctor said that 5% of the UK population has asthma - when Alan Brazil (hardly Paxman) asked him why then that over 40% of the Olympic Cycling team have asthma? - the doctor said that riding around all day outside inhaling pollen might be a problem!! fooking bollox !!

When I was at school there was only a couple of kids with asthma and they used to avoid PE - maybe they should have taken up bike riding instead !!

They are all at it - all sports.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 08:56
Interesting article here about athletes & asthma:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinkin ... oes-it-he/

tobyh5 wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 09:03

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 08:56
Interesting article here about athletes & asthma:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinkin ... oes-it-he/

To summarize, this is the guy selling them the gear and he has studied enough to throw out plausible reasons for the reported increase in the condition

*disclaimer, I am joking of course and they do all have asthma and no athlete is a cheat.

bripez wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 09:16

tobyh5 wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 09:03

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 08:56
Interesting article here about athletes & asthma:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinkin ... oes-it-he/

To summarize, this is the guy selling them the gear and he has studied enough to throw out plausible reasons for the reported increase in the condition

*disclaimer, I am joking of course and they do all have asthma and no athlete is a cheat.

I agree.

I like this bit:

“The truth,” Dr John Dickinson tells me “is that there is a lack of education on why athletes develop asthma.

So this expert is saying he doesn't know why 40% of Olympic cyclists have asthma compared to 5% of the population? - ok then ....... it must be that the Cycling coaches congregate around the asthma clinics to recruit new cyclists or something.

bripez wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 09:16 it must be that the Cycling coaches congregate around the asthma clinics to recruit new cyclists or something.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 10:07

bripez wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 09:16 it must be that the Cycling coaches congregate around the asthma clinics to recruit new cyclists or something.

jamamb wrote: ↑06 Mar 2018, 18:25 could it be merely 'trace' amounts left if someone used it a few months ago and then stopped before testing, thinking it would be long enough off it to not get caught ?

jamamb wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 10:53 so its only in your system 48 hours? you can load up on it for months and months and its gone if you stop for acouple days?

jamamb wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 11:23 interesting, from a quick google multiple sources are saying longer and that half life doesnt equal detection period

are you sure half life = detetction time?

jamamb wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 10:53 so its only in your system 48 hours? you can load up on it for months and months and its gone if you stop for acouple days?

bripez wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 13:19 Maybe he just had a burger the night before?

Seriously though, I am really disillusioned with sport at the moment with the amount of positive tests, excuses and cover ups.

And don't get me started on Mo Farah - another one who is bang at it.

Boxing is different though - if a boxer on gear seriously hurt his opponent then that would be very difficult to live with.

Terminator666 wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 11:02 If it had been Joe Blogs a fighter who earns £1500 at domestic level, he would have likely been banned

Terminator666 wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 11:02 If it had been Joe Blogs a fighter who earns £1500 at domestic level, he would have likely been banned

bripez wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 08:08 I was listening to Talksport yesterday on about Bradley Wiggins - they had this Doctor on who was an expert in respitaory diseases.

The Doctor said that 5% of the UK population has asthma - when Alan Brazil (hardly Paxman) asked him why then that over 40% of the Olympic Cycling team have asthma? - the doctor said that riding around all day outside inhaling pollen might be a problem!! fooking bollox !!

jamamb wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 16:51 it makes 5 percent --> 40 percent sense to you?

seems rather an extreme jump imo. is there evidence being outside a lot makes that much of a difference?

i wonder if construction workers are simalarly asthmatic