Is Alvarez a cheat?

[leejonesjnr]

Do you believe he ate contaminated meat or has he been using PEDs?

[TheLeprechaun]

Which boxer isnt?

[Mimmy]

Do you believe he ate contaminated meat or has he been using PEDs?

In all honesty, I think a lot of sports persons are cheating in some form or another, wether its substance use or throwing themselves to the floor for a penality in football.

I think the issue is that scientists are possibly finding new ways to enhance performance on a monthly basis one way or another. I think its a fact of sports these days finding legal ways that are illegal.

[jamamb]

could it be merely 'trace' amounts left if someone used it a few months ago and then stopped before testing, thinking it would be long enough off it to not get caught ?

[Boxerbeetle]

The strange thing about sport recently is that this is even a question.

In the ‘good old days’, someone would test positive for a banned substance and they’d be banned for cheating. Nowadays, someone tests positive for a banned substance and everyone wonders whether they were cheating or not.

Why the change? The general consensus seems to be that most elite level athletes are doping in one way or another, but equally there seems to be more reluctance than ever to denounce them on the rare occasions they actually get caught?

[SenorPipino]

Yes I believe he ate contaminated meat.

But "contaminated" is a misnomer because clenbutetol is purposely used to produce much leaner meat.

Millions of Mexicans have trace levels of clenbuterol in their systems. It's so insignificant in degree that it has no beneficial use as a PED.

Canelo also only had a trace amount. So did Nery recently.

The fight is in no danger because sanctioning bodies understand the source of clenbuterol in Mexico, and realize it's minimal presence in an athlete produces no beneficial PED effect.

It's big new today. By next weekend, only Alvarez' detractors will still be harping about it.

[Boxerbeetle]

Yes I believe he ate contaminated meat.

But "contaminated" is a misnomer because clenbutetol is purposely used to produce much leaner meat.

Millions of Mexicans have trace levels of clenbuterol in their systems. It's so insignificant in degree that it has no beneficial use as a PED.

Canelo also only had a trace amount. So did Nery recently.

The fight is in no danger because sanctioning bodies understand the source of clenbuterol in Mexico, and realize it's minimal presence in an athlete produces no beneficial PED effect.

It's big new today. By next weekend, only Alvarez' detractors will still be harping about it.

If it’s as prevalent in Mexican meat as now being claimed, doesn’t it seem slightly odd that Canelo has never tested with traces of clen previously?

[jamamb]

ya nery had those trace amounts and made weight for the first fight, then for the second fight without a positive announced was 5 pounds over the limit. clen among many functions helps ppl cut weight significantly

[leejonesjnr]

ya nery had those trace amounts and made weight for the first fight, then for the second fight without a positive announced was 5 pounds over the limit. clen among many functions helps ppl cut weight significantly

Why would a boxer who avoided boxing as high as 160 just a few fights ago need help cutting weight 3 months away from a contest?

[Taansend]

ya nery had those trace amounts and made weight for the first fight, then for the second fight without a positive announced was 5 pounds over the limit. clen among many functions helps ppl cut weight significantly

Why would a boxer who avoided boxing as high as 160 just a few fights ago need help cutting weight 3 months away from a contest?

Mate, he last weighed 154 EIGHTEEN MONTHS ago. Since then he's weighed 164 & 160 & you know he was much bigger than that on the night.

He's 27 & still growing. He'll be a Supermiddle within 2 years tops.

[jamamb]

did you bother to read the part where i said clen has many functions? not at all suggesting canelos trying to cut weight now, although he is built like a tank and i dont doubt that he needed to go hard or do something helpful to make lower weights.

but in nerys case which pip breezes over as nothing, without clen he came in 5 pounds over. not saying he was using clen specifically to make weight, but it is a very interesting occurance imo, given that clen AS ONE FUNCTION is used to boost weight cutting, and w/o it he was way too heavy after making the limit a few months earlier with it.

[happyNY18]

Why would he NOT be using PEDs? He's just had 4 months to do as he pleases.

[gilgamesh]

No more than anyone else.

[Nightmare Roy]

I'm not sure he'd need to, as long as he wins 2-3 rounds he'll get the nod anyway.

[Stuarty]

He's looked a different fighter recently but he's been a pro a long time and has been learning as he goes. I'd hate to think he was cheating but nothing surprises me these days....

[Wales]

Canelo has traces of a weight cutting steroid because either

A) he took a PED to start the weight cutting process and traces of the drug were still in his system when the test was undertaken even though they thought it’d be out by now

B) The Multi millionaire athlete with a team of advisors, top sports scientists and nutritionists was buying and consuming dodgy contaminated meat in Mexico , even though the world anti doping agency had issued a warning that meat in Mexico could contain traces of Clenbuterol as far back as 2011.

[TheLeprechaun]

I think the question I have is

1. How much of an advantage does being on gear give a fighter? Chin, power, speed, mindset etc. If a fighter is on the best gear, how much of an advantage does he have over a fighter that isnt using if they fight?

[Wales]

Huge advantage to athletes at the absolute pinnacle.

With regards to body building (but obviously with the correct cycle and gear it transcends to other sport)

“One study conducted by scientists at Maastricht University found that, during a period of ten weeks or less, the average muscle gains in people doing resistance training while on anabolic steroids ranged between 4 to 11 pounds. The most impressive amount of muscle growth researchers found was nearly 16 pounds of lean mass gained in just 6 weeks of weightlifting with steroids.

If those numbers don’t boggle your mind, consider this: the most accurate science-based models of natural muscle growth predict that men can gain no more than 20 to 25 pounds in their first year of weightlifting (and women can gain about half that).

Thus, with the right steroid cycle and training and diet regimen, you can do in just 2 to 4 months what would take a year to accomplish naturally.”

[Grilling Machine]

If you boost your free testosterone too much at the lighter weights you risk gaining size at a faster rate than strength, so it's recommended to use a smaller weekly dose that doesn't push you as far over your natural level. This also helps prevent your muscles from outgrowing the rest of your body and leading to injuries from tendon tears and so on. Lots of top powerlifters gain weight slowly with relatively conservative usage.

It's generally easier to catch sprinters for example, since their power gains are sometimes worth the price in additional weight (no weight divisions and lower stamina requirements). The likes of Christie and Chambers were much bigger towards the end of their careers. And even then, those who are caught could've usually evaded with luckier timing.

If the money and desire were there we could implement some form of DNA-profiling for athletes, but you'd never fully succeed in eradicating PEDs. How many times has Serena ‘retired’ now? Most tennis pros feign injury to cycle every year or so. Were profiling a thing in boxing, you'd see lots more prospects doing white-collar to learn their trade while cycling, turning pro later than they otherwise would've. It would curb pros racing through the weights, I suppose.

I think it's high time to talk about the legalisation of monitored usage. The effects of something like Nandrolone diminish at higher doses, and it's relatively safe at lower levels (for those without family histories of heart problems and such, although I wouldn't chance it). Because if you were getting a good chunk of its benefits at the legal dosage, the temptation to risk a ban for further marginal gains would be lessened.

Ultimately, I think it's still an image thing, where sponsors are highly aware of how damaging the reality would be if most people were informed. There are still millions who believe that Bolt was clean because of his stride, and even Cram — one of his biggest cheerleaders — avoided calling him clean towards the end of his career, reaching for ‘pure’ instead.

Some people put my view down to jealously, but I'm a terrible sprinter so that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It's not like I'm a clean 10-second rival, and he'd still be miles ahead of me if he took to Fury's home-cooking for a few years. Ben Johnson's twenty years older and he could still run me close! I find it interesting to consider who the last clean sprinter was, and I think it was probably one of those from the 10.1 and 10.2 groups. 9.9s were the best from 1968 to 1987, soon after which 9.8s become the elite standard.

Apols, I've waffled on a bit.

[tobyh5]

You can get meat from slaughterhouses which certify that there is no clen in their meat and it is all batch tested and I am a comparably poor natty bodybuilder and you better bet your fcking arse that the only meat passing my lips if I was in Mexico would be that but sure, I can picture a multi millionaire not bothering, that makes total sense.

Mexicans may as well all use Clen as they all have a built in excuse.

[tobyh5]

Huge advantage to athletes at the absolute pinnacle.

With regards to body building (but obviously with the correct cycle and gear it transcends to other sport)

“One study conducted by scientists at Maastricht University found that, during a period of ten weeks or less, the average muscle gains in people doing resistance training while on anabolic steroids ranged between 4 to 11 pounds. The most impressive amount of muscle growth researchers found was nearly 16 pounds of lean mass gained in just 6 weeks of weightlifting with steroids.

If those numbers don’t boggle your mind, consider this: the most accurate science-based models of natural muscle growth predict that men can gain no more than 20 to 25 pounds in their first year of weightlifting (and women can gain about half that).

Thus, with the right steroid cycle and training and diet regimen, you can do in just 2 to 4 months what would take a year to accomplish naturally.”

To add, after the first year of training it reduces hugely and after a year or could be a little longer of proper training, will not gain more than a pound per year

[Sklar]

Canelo is likely on all sorts but the trade off is millions of dollars so I don’t give that much of an eff about him he’s just there for our entertainment.

The bigger problem is...

All I see these days is young men screwing up their natural testosterone production for life and having to be limp dicked and weak or commit to taking drugs for the rest of their lives. Why? To look good in selfies. Mental.

[Ezzard]

Of course he is. All top level athletes are.

[banjo]

No not really, I used to use a 350cc engine in 250cc racing, never got caught and I guarantee I wasn't the only one. All winners are at it.

[Counter-puncher]

Mexicans may as well all use Clen as they all have a built in excuse.

the thought crossed my mind