gilgamesh wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 11:35
So even though you acknowledge that Ezzard Charles was great in his prime you still hold it against him that he lost fights when past it?
No I don't hold it against him really....each person is free to do as he pleases... You've done fool things and so have I.
But why a fellow who was the best boxer in the world at his best - why does he continues fighting when he can no longer swing well or ward off damaging blows? .... You're getting paid a fortune at your peak and coming through fights without a scratch.... Now you're getting punched around and battered and your paycheck is reduced by 95%.
If they didn't save a dime maybe....but some boxers have never heard of a job... Joey Maxim didn't save any money, but he drove a taxi cab for 30 years... You tell some guys who are getting beaten up "It's 9 to 5 buddy... You should try it."
I doubt too many fighters fight on into their Twilight years just for the fun of it. I would imagine most of them need the money, and still can get more money thanks to their name value in Boxing than they could doing anything else.
Now obviously this isn't good for their long term health, but I'm sure it's easier in theory to just hang 'em up and walk away when you're not the guy who's seeing the offers coming in for more money than you could make doing anything else.
The only thing I hold more dearly to my heart than my own personal health...is my own personal freedom.
So....hats off to any and all folks who continue to do as their hearts/minds tell them to do....based on the information that is in front of them, base on THEIR OWN judgment.....regardless of the judgment of others.....as long as it is personally fulfilling....whether successful or not.
Oh...and of course as long as it is not imposing on others. And I don't mean sentimentally....like...."lets make a law restricting that boxers freedom, because he was just so good, and I wish to restrict his freedom "FOR HIS OWN GOOD".
The only person who know WTF their "own good" is.....is the person themselves. Not the government, not your mommy, not your bestest buddy.
Once again....as long as it's not imposing on others. And yes....regardless of the degree of risk that make OTHERS sad weepy or nervous.
It's in society's best interest that citizens remain healthy and don't become burdens on the state... THEREFORE, if a man FAILS a neurological examination such as Muhammad Ali did at the Mayo Clinic - the test should NOT be finessed in the same manner a expert technician will finesse a smog test for a dubious car - which is also immoral, but not a big deal.
"Now Doctor Howard... You guys understand that Ali needs to pass his neurological exam to fight Holmes? ... This is a 10 million dollar fight for Ali.. This fight is going to pull more than 50 million in revenue worldwide... This absolutely HAS to happen... The sissy assed NSAC demanded this fool neurological examination - but I know you're going to get it done for us... I think you know how appreciative I'll be if this exam doesn't hold up the fight for any stupid reason."
"Don't worry Don...I understand your concern.. We're on the same team buddy."
It's in society's best interest that citizens remain healthy and don't become burdens on the state... THEREFORE, if a man FAILS a neurological examination such as Muhammad Ali did at the Mayo Clinic - the test should NOT be finessed in the same manner a expert technician will finesse a smog test for a dubious car - which is also immoral, but not a big deal.
"Now Doctor Howard... You guys understand that Ali needs to pass his neurological exam to fight Holmes? ... This is a 10 million dollar fight for Ali.. This fight is going to pull more than 50 million in revenue worldwide... This absolutely HAS to happen... The sissy assed NSAC demanded this fool neurological examination - but I know you're going to get it done for us... I think you know how appreciative I'll be if this exam doesn't hold up the fight for any stupid reason."
"Don't worry Don...I understand your concern.. We're on the same team buddy."
Yes yes yes, your nothing if not disagreeable.
However in the spirit of your own statement, I have asked the government to step in on your behalf, and subsidize your contributions to this forum. Because you clearly can't do a good job on your own, and they know best what opinions you ought to be having.
So check with them and have your opinions vetted by the "higher authority".
....as I think about it, not even the govt could goof that mission up.
It's in society's best interest that citizens remain healthy and don't become burdens on the state... THEREFORE, if a man FAILS a neurological examination such as Muhammad Ali did at the Mayo Clinic - the test should NOT be finessed in the same manner an expert technician will finesse a smog test for a dubious car - which is also immoral, but not a big deal.
"Now Doctor Howard... You guys understand that Ali needs to pass his neurological exam to fight Holmes? ... This is a 10 million dollar fight for Ali... This fight is going to pull more than 50 million in revenue worldwide... This absolutely HAS to happen... The sissy assed NSAC demanded this fool neurological examination - but I know you're going to get it done for us... I think you know how appreciative I'll be if this exam doesn't hold up the fight for any stupid reason."
"Don't worry Don...I understand your concern... We're on the same team buddy."
Yes yes yes, your nothing if not disagreeable.
However in the spirit of your own statement, I have asked the government to step in on your behalf, and subsidize your contributions to this forum. Because you clearly can't do a good job on your own, and they know best what opinions you ought to be having.
So check with them and have your opinions vetted by the "higher authority".
....as I think about it, not even the govt could goof that mission up.
You’re not agreeable… You’re a non-thinker... You immediately think the government screws everything up.
I'm the most agreeable person on the face of the earth when in the company of intelligent, clear headed, temperate, educated adults who have good knowledge and experience relating to the subject matter.
You’re telling me that neurologists and medical scientists should have NO say in whether somebody’s MRI and neurological examinations show whether it’s inappropriate or not for a boxer to obtain or keep a boxing license. Basically you’re a Libertarian who thinks the government should have no conscience. Fine, but so few people think as you do (a good thing) that you’ll never win at the polls.
Ali's life might have been a lot better if he were denied a license when it was inappropriate to give him one.
Yes yes, just as yours would improve if we could just get you to stop being so shy and understated. Govt Program? You tell me. Also....when the govt is in full control of things like...let's say the schools.... everyone will get just the right amount of exposure to all the facts about just how great and thoughtful and heartfelt the govt is. (Because unlike businesses the government is made of just the "best of the best" of humanity. Never a thought for itself, or "it's own".
And as a result of it's purity and sweetness we will all be a little more open minded toward understanding and accepting it's unselfish, and wise goals. And Kool Aid will be distributed to all. I think Merle Haggard said it well..... We'll all be drinking that free bubble up, and eatin' that Rainbow stew!
and just so's I stay on topic.
Archie Moore For his endurance
Muhammad Ali For his indomitable psyche
Roberto Duran For his journey up and down the fame/honor scale
Carlos Monzon For all the wrong reasons
Kostya Tzyu Because he reminded me of Joe Louis in terms of being an honorable warrior
BoxBuzz wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 12:54
Govt Program? You tell me. Also....when the govt is in full control of things like...let's say the schools.... everyone will get just the right amount of exposure to all the facts about just how great and thoughtful and heartfelt the govt is. (Because unlike businesses the government is made of just the "best of the best" of humanity. Never a thought for itself, or "it's own".
And as a result of it's purity and sweetness we will all be a little more open minded toward understanding and accepting it's unselfish, and wise goals. And Kool Aid will be distributed to all.
I love how you never address what I say. Instead you put on your Libertarian anti-government hat... Nobody wants the government to be in full control of our lives. We don't want to live in a Totalitarian State -- but the next time you fasten your seat belt, the government was responsible for that... When you friend's life was saved by a deployed airbag the government had a hand in that... From the food you eat, to the water you drink, to the air you breathe...it's a little healthier because of government rules and regulations... Buildings are built to code so they don't collapse on people.
Here's a straight forward question for you to evade... If a boxer take a neurological examination that demonstrates he's suffered significant brain damage... does ANY regulating body have the right to deny him a boxing license? Boxers who suffer devastation have become wards of the state and receive disability... In the interest of taxpayers, a responsibility of the government is to help keep citizens mentally, physically, and emotionally healthy.
BoxBuzz wrote: ↑20 Apr 2018, 12:47
Muhammad Ali For his indomitable psyche
He didn't budge Larry Holmes with his indomitable brain games...
Larry was subdued before the Ali fight - like a man who wasn't happy with himself.. He said... "I'm doing this for Ali more than for myself... I should have gotten an Ali Title shot instead of Leon Spinks... For all of Ali's talking? .... His talking sells the fight and that's what he's good at.. He can do all the talking he wants, but his ass is grass and I'm the lawnmower."
In the ring, just before the fight, Ali walked up to Holmes and showered him with non-stop verbal abuse - calling Larry every name in the book... Holmes got tired of it and gave Ali a mighty shove....letting Ali know "You're not selling any more tickets lad.. Just get your ass out of my face and get ready to box."
Ali didn't quite reach the heights of Klitschko-Joshua with his fistic presentation...
At 38, Ali was 3 years younger than Wlad was for AJ...
As for your other choices... good selections.
You do realize some reach their prime quicker.....right? Maybe Wlad looked that great because his comp was questionable.
BoxBuzz wrote: ↑20 Apr 2018, 12:47
Muhammad Ali For his indomitable psyche
He didn't budge Larry Holmes with his indomitable brain games...
Larry was subdued before the Ali fight - like a man who wasn't happy with himself.. He said... "I'm doing this for Ali more than for myself... I should have gotten an Ali Title shot instead of Leon Spinks... For all of Ali's talking? .... His talking sells the fight and that's what he's good at.. He can do all the talking he wants, but his ass is grass and I'm the lawnmower."
In the ring, just before the fight, Ali walked up to Holmes and showered him with non-stop verbal abuse - calling Larry every name in the book... Holmes got tired of it and gave Ali a mighty shove....letting Ali know "You're not selling any more tickets lad.. Just get your ass out of my face and get ready to box."
Ali didn't quite reach the heights of Klitschko-Joshua with his fistic presentation...
At 38, Ali was 3 years younger than Wlad was for AJ...
As for your other choices... good selections.
You do realize some reach their prime quicker.....right? Maybe Wlad looked that great because his comp was questionable.
Maybe Ali's comp was questionable... Neon Leon... Evangelista... Coopman... Dunn... London... Mildenbooger.... Wepner... Lubbers... Blinn... Blubber Mathis etc.
And right... Ali reached his prime when he was 22 and slipped past it at 28 according to his most maniacal fans... Holmes reached his prime at 26 and slipped past it at 35 with the Truth Williams and Michael Spinks Fights.... Wladimir reached his prime at 30 and slipped past it at 39 for his Jennings fight... He was still looking great when he blasted undefeated Kubrat Pulev out in 5 rounds, with savage left hooks at 38.
He didn't budge Larry Holmes with his indomitable brain games...
Larry was subdued before the Ali fight - like a man who wasn't happy with himself.. He said... "I'm doing this for Ali more than for myself... I should have gotten an Ali Title shot instead of Leon Spinks... For all of Ali's talking? .... His talking sells the fight and that's what he's good at.. He can do all the talking he wants, but his ass is grass and I'm the lawnmower."
In the ring, just before the fight, Ali walked up to Holmes and showered him with non-stop verbal abuse - calling Larry every name in the book... Holmes got tired of it and gave Ali a mighty shove....letting Ali know "You're not selling any more tickets lad.. Just get your ass out of my face and get ready to box."
Ali didn't quite reach the heights of Klitschko-Joshua with his fistic presentation...
At 38, Ali was 3 years younger than Wlad was for AJ...
As for your other choices... good selections.
You do realize some reach their prime quicker.....right? Maybe Wlad looked that great because his comp was questionable.
Maybe Ali's comp was questionable... Neon Leon... Evangelista... Coopman... Dunn... London... Mildenbooger.... Wepner... Lubbers... Blinn... Blubber Mathis etc.
And right... Ali reached his prime when he was 22 and slipped past it at 28 according to his most maniacal fans... Holmes reached his prime at 26 and slipped past it at 35 with the Truth Williams and Michael Spinks Fights.... Wladimir reached his prime at 30 and slipped past it at 39 for his Jennings fight... He was still looking great when he blasted undefeated Kubrat Pulev out in 5 rounds, with savage left hooks at 38.
Frazier, Foreman, Norton, and Lyle. Think on it. Wlads prime......covered it. Pulev is a crude amateur.
MrGuy wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 03:53
You do realize some reach their prime quicker.....right? Maybe Wlad looked that great because his comp was questionable.
Maybe Ali's comp was questionable... Neon Leon... Evangelista... Coopman... Dunn... London... Mildenbooger.... Wepner... Lubbers... Blinn... Blubber Mathis etc.
And right... Ali reached his prime when he was 22 and slipped past it at 28 according to his most maniacal fans... Holmes reached his prime at 26 and slipped past it at 35 with the Truth Williams and Michael Spinks Fights.... Wladimir reached his prime at 30 and slipped past it at 39 for his Jennings fight... He was still looking great when he blasted undefeated Kubrat Pulev out in 5 rounds, with savage left hooks at 38.
Frazier, Foreman, Norton, and Lyle. Think on it. Wlads prime......covered it. Pulev is a crude amateur.
Pulev won world amateur tournaments beating the top Cubans... He wasn't as crude or hittable as Frazier, Foreman, Norton, and Lyle who were all wide open.... Frazier never fought Norton or Lyle... They'd be way too big and strong for him.
Maybe Ali's comp was questionable... Neon Leon... Evangelista... Coopman... Dunn... London... Mildenbooger.... Wepner... Lubbers... Blinn... Blubber Mathis etc.
And right... Ali reached his prime when he was 22 and slipped past it at 28 according to his most maniacal fans... Holmes reached his prime at 26 and slipped past it at 35 with the Truth Williams and Michael Spinks Fights.... Wladimir reached his prime at 30 and slipped past it at 39 for his Jennings fight... He was still looking great when he blasted undefeated Kubrat Pulev out in 5 rounds, with savage left hooks at 38.
Frazier, Foreman, Norton, and Lyle. Think on it. Wlads prime......covered it. Pulev is a crude amateur.
Pulev won world amateur tournaments beating the top Cubans... He wasn't as crude or hittable as Frazier, Foreman, Norton, and Lyle who were all wide open.... Frazier never fought Norton or Lyle... They'd be way too big and strong for him.
I don't care what he won, the guy looks crude. You have no idea how he wouldve done because those guys weren't in Foremans zip code.
1 ...tommy hearns
2..marvin hagler
3 roberto duran
4 julio cesar chavez
5 mike tyson/ evander holyfield ....this is tough one because both were brilliant at their peaks then had dramatic falls i loved the evander that fought dokes i lost a bit of respect when he boxed foreman and holmes a bit of cherry picking there and a young tyson was just so exciting
1 ...tommy hearns
2..marvin hagler
3 roberto duran
4 julio cesar chavez
5 mike tyson/ evander holyfield ....this is tough one because both were brilliant at their peaks then had dramatic falls i loved the evander that fought dokes i lost a bit of respect when he boxed foreman and holmes a bit of cherry picking there and a young tyson was just so exciting
