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Posted: **31 Mar 2018, 13:56**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 13:53
ValMar wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 13:15
gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 12:12 Fury is talking about needing a tune-up for Shannon Briggs for f*cks sake and you guys wanna throw him in there with Povetkin?
It's a wonderful life, really. Some posters think that I am a fool because Povetkin is too small and old to compete with Fury.
On the other side, some posters consider me a fool, because Fury is too fat, lazy and ring rusty to face Povetkin.
Interesting........
I don't think anybody's a fool it's just that the way Fury has been talking he'd have no interest in facing someone like a Povetkin anytime soon, but maybe I'm wrong. I'd personally love to see Fury come back against a guy on the level of Povetkin. It'd make for a VERY intriguing comeback bout because the possibilities for what could happen would be seemingly endless.

.....I opened this thread because of "the possibilities for what could happen would be seemingly endless"......

Posted: **31 Mar 2018, 14:26**

ValMar wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 05:57 Thuis forum might be divided into these sections :

-Joshua's haters
-Wilder's haters
-Ortiz's haters
-Povetkin's haters
-T. Fury's /Fury's family haters
-The other haters
-Non-haters

Tomorrow I expect increasing number of Parker's haters.

Ha, I'll settle for them fighting each other. But Povetkin would drill Fury. Fury has been out of the ring, and is over rated based on beating an old Wlad.

Posted: **31 Mar 2018, 14:42**

Too many unknown factors to make a prediction at this time, especially how will Fury look when he comes back. Also Pov has a fight in about one hour. Bad medicine to take it for granted even tho it may seem like an easy win for him.

Posted: **31 Mar 2018, 14:52**

pound per pound wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 14:26
ValMar wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 05:57 Thuis forum might be divided into these sections :

-Joshua's haters
-Wilder's haters
-Ortiz's haters
-Povetkin's haters
-T. Fury's /Fury's family haters
-The other haters
-Non-haters

Tomorrow I expect increasing number of Parker's haters.
Ha, I'll settle for them fighting each other. But Povetkin would drill Fury. Fury has been out of the ring, and is over rated based on beating an old Wlad.

Fury is over rated because he beat an old Wlad
But Joshua is an all time great because he struggled and beat an even older Wlad.

Not saying this is your thought process. But it is several posters here mentality

Posted: **31 Mar 2018, 15:43**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 13:53
ValMar wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 13:15
gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 12:12 Fury is talking about needing a tune-up for Shannon Briggs for f*cks sake and you guys wanna throw him in there with Povetkin?
It's a wonderful life, really. Some posters think that I am a fool because Povetkin is too small and old to compete with Fury.
On the other side, some posters consider me a fool, because Fury is too fat, lazy and ring rusty to face Povetkin.
Interesting........
I don't think anybody's a fool it's just that the way Fury has been talking he'd have no interest in facing someone like a Povetkin anytime soon, but maybe I'm wrong. I'd personally love to see Fury come back against a guy on the level of Povetkin. It'd make for a VERY intriguing comeback bout because the possibilities for what could happen would be seemingly endless.

I agree with this.

If Fury is serious about his career & he truly believes in himself, he should be looking to get back in the upper echelons of the HW division, or maybe even a belt challenge.

What would he really gain by knocking over a car crash dummy or fighting a wheezy old roided up gasbag, like the semi retired Shannon Briggs?

He needs to take lessons from that of his former nearly nemesis, Mr David Haye, who thought he could cheat his way back the top of the HW division by fighting mannequins & waxwork dummies, then trying to pass off a Shannon Briggs bout as a 'superfight', then ends up being embroiled with a fat cruiserweight.

Haye's career has stalled because of this & his endless injuries & that's what can happen when you waste time trying to con the fans.

Over two years after returning, even if he beats Bellew handily in the rematch, he'll still be nowhere in the HW title mix & he'll be into his 39th year.

Fury isn't as old, luckily for him, but his ill discipline in between fights will age him quickly & he just needs to get on with it.

Posted: **31 Mar 2018, 15:59**

bigjack wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 07:18
lazboy wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 04:58 Let’s see what Povetkin looks like tomorrow (where I am). His tits looked a bit sagged at the weigh in. Father Time? Fury is looking much better recently, he’s lost a good amount of weight good on him. His tits are looking firmer which I like.
Hey,if you like men with firm tits then it's your choice

Had a few drinks last night and wrote this. Clearly have some issues....ps what are you wearing

Posted: **31 Mar 2018, 16:05**

lazboy wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 15:59
bigjack wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 07:18
lazboy wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 04:58 Let’s see what Povetkin looks like tomorrow (where I am). His tits looked a bit sagged at the weigh in. Father Time? Fury is looking much better recently, he’s lost a good amount of weight good on him. His tits are looking firmer which I like.
Hey,if you like men with firm tits then it's your choice
Had a few drinks last night and wrote this. Clearly have some issues....ps what are you wearing

An open crutch body stocking seen as you're asking

Posted: **31 Mar 2018, 16:08**

Posted: **31 Mar 2018, 19:01**

Who wins? The one who takes a sh1t before the fight

Posted: **03 Apr 2018, 20:40**

ValMar wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 11:38
Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 06:17 What did you expect after creating this thread? That you'll find votes of Povetkin beating Fury by decision or by KO? That's close to impossible!

I'm a Povetkin fan but no boxer shorter than 6 foot 4 in history, stands anything more than 10% chance at beating Tyson Fury. This is as big of a mismatch as Tyson Fury vs Tony Bellew.
Simply, I like to see different opinions. Tyson Fury is very underrated, here on this forum. Many posters consider him fat, lazy guy who had been lucky defeating the over-hill Wlad.....If I say that fit Fury will be dangerous for Joshua and Wilder, lot of posters will say that I am an ignorant, etc...etc....
Povetkin has been belonging at top 10 HW at least eight years (maybe ten, I am not sure), some posters, here, overestimate him, on the other side some posters do just the opposite. Every time, I try to be neutral and unbiased.

Don't you think you're severely underestimating Fury by putting him in a match against a midget who is far too small to compete against elite super heavyweights?

Don't you think you're severely overestimating Povetkin by putting him in a match against a super heavyweight that he doesn't even belong in the same ring with due to his insufficient physical size?

Do you seriously hate Povetkin that much, that you'd want him to face an absolute behemoth / giant of a creature / specimen who you want him to get killed and squashed like an insect by?

Posted: **03 Apr 2018, 20:40**

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 13:25
Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 05:44
ValMar wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 04:27 Supposing that Fury (fit/healthy) faced at least two B/B+ opponents in the meantime.
And utterly and a totally disgusting mismatch! No boxer shorter than 6 foot 4 inches in history would ever be favored to beat Tyson Fury. Fury would accidentally squish Povetkin like a bug!

It's ridiculous that we even discuss the outcomes of these astronomical mismatches. It's even more ridiculous that these mismatches even take place in boxing today in the first place. What next? Who wins between a rabbit and a dinosaur inside a Colosseum.

If David Price is anywhere near his best, I'm not even going to make Povetkin the favorite to beat him. In fact, price would probably win by KO inside 6 rounds.

If Povetkin beats Price, it'd be down to Price not being fully prepared, rather than anything from Povetkin. This fight is dependent upon David Price and if the best and most prepared version of Price turns up. no version of Povetkin probably stands any chance at winning.

It's disgusting that giants like Tyson Fury are allowed to compete against tiny insects in such astronomical and gruesome mismatches. The boxing commission really have to do something about this!
Are you Enlightened_One? This nonsense you keep spouting about 'size mismatches', as if size is the be-all and end-all in boxing, sounds a lot like what he would say.

I don't believe you when you say you are familiar with the career of Price, because if you were, you'd understand that he has been crushed inside the distance by three fighters inferior to Povetkin, and his style makes size irrelevant, he is just very easy to back up whether you're a 6'1 220 lb heavy or a 6'6 250 lb one.

As for the question, Povetkin likely decisions any version of Fury, although it wouldn't be easy. If Fury comes back and looks particularly bad (as I'm expecting) he probably gets stopped.

In all seriousness, do you genuinely believe that Povetkin would beat any version (especially peak version) of Fury? as a boxing fan, I'm curious to know why.

Posted: **03 Apr 2018, 20:41**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 13:53
ValMar wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 13:15
gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 12:12 Fury is talking about needing a tune-up for Shannon Briggs for f*cks sake and you guys wanna throw him in there with Povetkin?
It's a wonderful life, really. Some posters think that I am a fool because Povetkin is too small and old to compete with Fury.
On the other side, some posters consider me a fool, because Fury is too fat, lazy and ring rusty to face Povetkin.
Interesting........
I don't think anybody's a fool it's just that the way Fury has been talking he'd have no interest in facing someone like a Povetkin anytime soon, but maybe I'm wrong. I'd personally love to see Fury come back against a guy on the level of Povetkin. It'd make for a VERY intriguing comeback bout because the possibilities for what could happen would be seemingly endless.

Do you genuinely believe Povetkin even stands a minuscule of a chance at beating someone as big in size as Tyson Fury?

Posted: **03 Apr 2018, 22:39**

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 20:41
gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 13:53
ValMar wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 13:15

It's a wonderful life, really. Some posters think that I am a fool because Povetkin is too small and old to compete with Fury.
On the other side, some posters consider me a fool, because Fury is too fat, lazy and ring rusty to face Povetkin.
Interesting........
I don't think anybody's a fool it's just that the way Fury has been talking he'd have no interest in facing someone like a Povetkin anytime soon, but maybe I'm wrong. I'd personally love to see Fury come back against a guy on the level of Povetkin. It'd make for a VERY intriguing comeback bout because the possibilities for what could happen would be seemingly endless.
Do you genuinely believe Povetkin even stands a minuscule of a chance at beating someone as big in size as Tyson Fury?

If they were to get in the ring tomorrow I'd pick Povetkin.
But an in shape motivated Fury beats all current heavyweights.
But I doubt we see that version again

Posted: **03 Apr 2018, 23:17**

Too many intangibles.

The best of Povetkin beats the best of Fury.

But the best Povetkin probably no longer exists at his advanced age. He certainly didn't look elite against Price.

And how can anyone say what Fury has in the tank? We haven't seen him in 2 1/2 years. He's binged on drugs and alcohol.

Fury may very well be an empty vessel. I'm hardly convinced he was ever anything special, so if he's regressed physically, Fury may not even be world class.

Posted: **03 Apr 2018, 23:35**

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 20:41
gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 13:53
ValMar wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 13:15

It's a wonderful life, really. Some posters think that I am a fool because Povetkin is too small and old to compete with Fury.
On the other side, some posters consider me a fool, because Fury is too fat, lazy and ring rusty to face Povetkin.
Interesting........
I don't think anybody's a fool it's just that the way Fury has been talking he'd have no interest in facing someone like a Povetkin anytime soon, but maybe I'm wrong. I'd personally love to see Fury come back against a guy on the level of Povetkin. It'd make for a VERY intriguing comeback bout because the possibilities for what could happen would be seemingly endless.
Do you genuinely believe Povetkin even stands a minuscule of a chance at beating someone as big in size as Tyson Fury?

David Price isn't too much physically smaller than Tyson Fury. He's certainly a good bit bigger than Povetkin is.

Povetkin has beaten Mariusz Wach who is physically BIGGER than Tyson Fury.

So yes I believe he can beat someone as big in size as Tyson Fury.

I figure Fury will ease himself back into the fight game with a little easier an opponent than Povetkin anyway, and I certainly wouldn't blame him for that after how long he's been out.

Posted: **03 Apr 2018, 23:40**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 23:35
Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 20:41
gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 13:53

I don't think anybody's a fool it's just that the way Fury has been talking he'd have no interest in facing someone like a Povetkin anytime soon, but maybe I'm wrong. I'd personally love to see Fury come back against a guy on the level of Povetkin. It'd make for a VERY intriguing comeback bout because the possibilities for what could happen would be seemingly endless.
Do you genuinely believe Povetkin even stands a minuscule of a chance at beating someone as big in size as Tyson Fury?
David Price isn't too much physically smaller than Tyson Fury. He's certainly a good bit bigger than Povetkin is.

Povetkin has beaten Mariusz Wach who is physically BIGGER than Tyson Fury.

So yes I believe he can beat someone as big in size as Tyson Fury.

I figure Fury will ease himself back into the fight game with a little easier an opponent than Povetkin anyway, and I certainly wouldn't blame him for that after how long he's been out.

Luis will spend the rest of his life trying to convince the world that bigger is always better.

How did that theory work out for you last Saturday, Luis?

Posted: **04 Apr 2018, 11:53**

SenorPipino wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 23:40
gilgamesh wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 23:35
Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 20:41

Do you genuinely believe Povetkin even stands a minuscule of a chance at beating someone as big in size as Tyson Fury?
David Price isn't too much physically smaller than Tyson Fury. He's certainly a good bit bigger than Povetkin is.

Povetkin has beaten Mariusz Wach who is physically BIGGER than Tyson Fury.

So yes I believe he can beat someone as big in size as Tyson Fury.

I figure Fury will ease himself back into the fight game with a little easier an opponent than Povetkin anyway, and I certainly wouldn't blame him for that after how long he's been out.
Luis will spend the rest of his life trying to convince the world that bigger is always better.

How did that theory work out for you last Saturday, Luis?

The size is an important factor, but not only one, of course. I will mention several names : Ali, Frazier, Tyson, Holyfield .....Sapienti sat...........

Posted: **04 Apr 2018, 16:59**

ValMar wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 05:57 Thuis forum might be divided into these sections :

-Joshua's haters
-Wilder's haters
-Ortiz's haters
-Povetkin's haters
-T. Fury's /Fury's family haters
-The other haters
-Non-haters

Tomorrow I expect increasing number of Parker's haters.

Annoying, isn't it.

Posted: **04 Apr 2018, 17:13**

Vityaz man by KO. Fury is big and he's slick - but he's been out of boxing for quite a long time now, and he's been abusing his body, and boxing is a sport that usually isn't forgiving of those two things.

Posted: **04 Apr 2018, 17:15**

Too many assumptions to make a call. Will Fury give himself a couple of fights to get back in the game? I can't imagine coming back right into Povetkin...that is not a winning strategy.

Posted: **04 Apr 2018, 17:19**

Syntax Error wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 11:44 Far too difficult to predict with any certainty.

Povetkin is 90 years old & Fury has come down from 90 stones & hasn't fought since 90 BC, so who knows what either has got left?

That's a fair point but I voted Fury by decision without caveat because stylistically Fury is all wrong for Povetkin.

While I don't share Luis' rather extreme views re height and reach, I would have to concede that these factors along with Fury's mobility (which I doubt has been greatly affected by his inactivity and weight fluctuation) are the contributing factors in my reaching that conclusion .

Posted: **04 Apr 2018, 21:53**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 12:12 Fury is talking about needing a tune-up for Shannon Briggs for f*cks sake and you guys wanna throw him in there with Povetkin?

Fury doesn't need a damned tune-up for Briggs. The first rule of listening to Fury speak is to remind yourself that everything he says is nonsense. Fury could show-up to a presser and say he's fighting Michael Jackson in a bicycle race. What Fury does in the ring matters. The things he says are just some trippy form of comedy.

Posted: **04 Apr 2018, 21:56**

Lackeos wrote: ↑04 Apr 2018, 21:53
gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 12:12 Fury is talking about needing a tune-up for Shannon Briggs for f*cks sake and you guys wanna throw him in there with Povetkin?
Fury doesn't need a damned tune-up for Briggs. The first rule of listening to Fury speak is to remind yourself that everything he says is nonsense. Fury could show-up to a presser and say he's fighting Michael Jackson in a bicycle race. What Fury does in the ring matters. The things he says are just some trippy form of comedy.

Right. Which is why Fury hasn't mattered to me in a few years because he's done nothing at all in the ring during that time, and I don't expect he'll be much of a force upon his return either. He'll just be a big name for the Top Dog to smash for big money.

Posted: **07 Apr 2018, 20:38**

lazboy wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 15:59
bigjack wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 07:18
lazboy wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 04:58 Let’s see what Povetkin looks like tomorrow (where I am). His tits looked a bit sagged at the weigh in. Father Time? Fury is looking much better recently, he’s lost a good amount of weight good on him. His tits are looking firmer which I like.
Hey,if you like men with firm tits then it's your choice
Had a few drinks last night and wrote this. Clearly have some issues....ps what are you wearing

Posted: **07 Apr 2018, 22:01**

x2x wrote: ↑04 Apr 2018, 17:13 Vityaz man by KO. Fury is big and he's slick - but he's been out of boxing for quite a long time now, and he's been abusing his body, and boxing is a sport that usually isn't forgiving of those two things.

I would have agreed with you about that, until I read Leonard's biography. Sugar Ray was downing a 40oz a day and cramming as much top quality coke up his hooter for years, then came back- straight into a top level fight, and the rest is history.

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