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Posted: **12 Apr 2018, 11:33**

It’s ridiculous, he’d end up looking like Mundine when he was making welter.

I’m not a fan of Wilder but one thing I like about him is that he’s always in shape, unlike a lot of his peers. Someone with a minimal level of body fat could not somehow lose at least a stone and a half and still perform as an elite athlete is expected to...

Posted: **12 Apr 2018, 12:06**

tiny_acres wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 11:13
oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 10:36 Have you looked at Wilder? He's have to cut off a limb to drop anymore weight.
Dude we think too much alike.
I was just going to ask which arm should he cut off to make the weight

You also both seem to not know about dehydration cuts.

Posted: **12 Apr 2018, 12:07**

punchoutsb wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 12:06
tiny_acres wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 11:13
oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 10:36 Have you looked at Wilder? He's have to cut off a limb to drop anymore weight.
Dude we think too much alike.
I was just going to ask which arm should he cut off to make the weight
You also both seem to not know about dehydration cuts.

He is already the leanest hevyweight I've seen in years.
He probably has the lowest body fat percentage in the division

Posted: **12 Apr 2018, 12:11**

DMWordsmith wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 23:18Wilder at Cruiserweight?

I can't see it happening.

I think it's extremely unlikely that Wilder would be able to get down to Cruiserweight. Deontay is a big man, I'd say a lot of his weight is in his height and the sheer bulk of his frame.

Posted: **12 Apr 2018, 12:18**

It seems kind of funny to see people claim that Deontay Wilder would have to amputate a limb in order to drop 14lbs or so to make the 200lbs cruiserweight limit, when we regularly see ripped to shreds highly-muscular welterweights and 154lb-ers rehydrate 17lbs or more after their official weigh-in.

Surely it has to be easier for a bigger man to temporarily lose that sort of weight than it would be for one of the men competing in the smaller weight classes?

Posted: **12 Apr 2018, 12:24**

tiny_acres wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 11:13
oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 10:36 Have you looked at Wilder? He's have to cut off a limb to drop anymore weight.
Dude we think too much alike.
I was just going to ask which arm should he cut off to make the weight

LOL! but of course!

Posted: **12 Apr 2018, 13:16**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 12:18 we regularly see ripped to shreds highly-muscular welterweights and 154lb-ers rehydrate 17lbs or more after their official weigh-in.

Not when they're approaching their mid-30s we don't. And we don't see them dropping down to a lower division in their 30s either.

Cutting to a weight you've always fought at in your 20s, is not the same as dropping down from a higher weight class in your 30s. Ask RJJ how dropping back down worked for him.

Posted: **12 Apr 2018, 13:19**

punchoutsb wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 12:06
tiny_acres wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 11:13
oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 10:36 Have you looked at Wilder? He's have to cut off a limb to drop anymore weight.
Dude we think too much alike.
I was just going to ask which arm should he cut off to make the weight
You also both seem to not know about dehydration cuts.

Dehydrating yourself makes it POSSIBLE to cut weight. It doesn't make it wise. It comes with a high price when you try to cut too much water weight after you turn 30. Chad Dawson did it to fight Ward. Ended his own career by trying...

Posted: **12 Apr 2018, 13:20**

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 13:19
punchoutsb wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 12:06
tiny_acres wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 11:13

Dude we think too much alike.
I was just going to ask which arm should he cut off to make the weight
You also both seem to not know about dehydration cuts.
Dehydrating yourself makes it POSSIBLE to cut weight. It doesn't make it wise. It comes with a high price when you try to cut too much water weight after you turn 30. Chad Dawson did it to fight Ward. Ended his own career by trying...

Cutting by dehydration sapped my stamina and strength. Very bad.

Posted: **12 Apr 2018, 13:28**

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 13:16
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 12:18 we regularly see ripped to shreds highly-muscular welterweights and 154lb-ers rehydrate 17lbs or more after their official weigh-in.
Not when they're approaching their mid-30s we don't. And we don't see them dropping down to a lower division in their 30s either.

Cutting to a weight you've always fought at in your 20s, is not the same as dropping down from a higher weight class in your 30s. Ask RJJ how dropping back down worked for him.

Wilder would be rehydrating to his natural weight. The same as all fighters do that compete in the lower weight classes.

And we have regularly seen fighters in their thirties rehydrate 14lbs or so after the official weigh-in and continue their success.

Posted: **12 Apr 2018, 13:30**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 13:28
Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 13:16
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 12:18 we regularly see ripped to shreds highly-muscular welterweights and 154lb-ers rehydrate 17lbs or more after their official weigh-in.
Not when they're approaching their mid-30s we don't. And we don't see them dropping down to a lower division in their 30s either.

Cutting to a weight you've always fought at in your 20s, is not the same as dropping down from a higher weight class in your 30s. Ask RJJ how dropping back down worked for him.
Wilder would be rehydrating to his natural weight. The same as all fighters do that compete in the lower weight classes.

And we have regularly seen fighters in their thirties rehydrate 14lbs or so after the official weigh-in and continue their success.

Rehydration brings you back 80% in my experience. (roughly)...damage is already done. Wilder has no 22lbs to lose. (or even 15) Just saying.

Posted: **12 Apr 2018, 13:34**

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 13:30
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 13:28
Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 13:16

Not when they're approaching their mid-30s we don't. And we don't see them dropping down to a lower division in their 30s either.

Cutting to a weight you've always fought at in your 20s, is not the same as dropping down from a higher weight class in your 30s. Ask RJJ how dropping back down worked for him.
Wilder would be rehydrating to his natural weight. The same as all fighters do that compete in the lower weight classes.

And we have regularly seen fighters in their thirties rehydrate 14lbs or so after the official weigh-in and continue their success.
Rehydration brings you back 80% in my experience. (roughly)...damage is already done. Wilder has no 22lbs to lose. (or even 15) Just saying.

Wilder doesn't have 22lbs to lose. That's an exaggeration.

Most fighters competing in the smaller weight classes rehydrate at least 10lbs after the official weigh-in.

I can name at least a dozen that regain in excess of 17lbs or more and they're a hell of a lot smaller than Wilder.

Posted: **12 Apr 2018, 13:36**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 13:34
oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 13:30
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 13:28
Wilder would be rehydrating to his natural weight. The same as all fighters do that compete in the lower weight classes.

And we have regularly seen fighters in their thirties rehydrate 14lbs or so after the official weigh-in and continue their success.
Rehydration brings you back 80% in my experience. (roughly)...damage is already done. Wilder has no 22lbs to lose. (or even 15) Just saying.
Wilder doesn't have 22lbs to lose. That's an exaggeration.

Most fighters competing in the smaller weight classes rehydrate at least 10lbs after the official weigh-in.

I can name at least a dozen that regain in excess of 17lbs or more and they're a hell of a lot smaller than Wilder.

That's what I said. Wilder has no 22LBS to lose. I don't care about rehydration.

Posted: **12 Apr 2018, 13:44**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 13:28
Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 13:16
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 12:18 we regularly see ripped to shreds highly-muscular welterweights and 154lb-ers rehydrate 17lbs or more after their official weigh-in.
Not when they're approaching their mid-30s we don't. And we don't see them dropping down to a lower division in their 30s either.

Cutting to a weight you've always fought at in your 20s, is not the same as dropping down from a higher weight class in your 30s. Ask RJJ how dropping back down worked for him.
Wilder would be rehydrating to his natural weight. The same as all fighters do that compete in the lower weight classes.

And we have regularly seen fighters in their thirties rehydrate 14lbs or so after the official weigh-in and continue their success.

Well again, you're using his weight from the Ortiz fight, which he himself stated he only weighed due to illness. 214 is not a typical weight for him, and a couple of right hands aside, that was a very lacklustre performance. Wilder got tired in that fight, which you don't see often.

Who with that build is cutting 20+ pounds (it's not 14) in their mid-30s successfully? Fleshier guys might do it, but the ripped fighters you're referring to are all in their 20s.

And again, repeating something you do for every fight is not the same as dropping down a division, even if it is possible. How many fighters can you name who have dropped down to a lower (and stronger) division successfully, at 32 years of age? It just doesn't happen. Whatever Charlo and Hurd do is totally irrelevant to Wilder's situation if he was to try his luck at 200.

Posted: **12 Apr 2018, 13:45**

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 13:44
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 13:28
Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 13:16

Not when they're approaching their mid-30s we don't. And we don't see them dropping down to a lower division in their 30s either.

Cutting to a weight you've always fought at in your 20s, is not the same as dropping down from a higher weight class in your 30s. Ask RJJ how dropping back down worked for him.
Wilder would be rehydrating to his natural weight. The same as all fighters do that compete in the lower weight classes.

And we have regularly seen fighters in their thirties rehydrate 14lbs or so after the official weigh-in and continue their success.
Well again, you're using his weight from the Ortiz fight, which he himself stated he only weighed due to illness. 214 is not a typical weight for him, and a couple of right hands aside, that was a very lacklustre performance. Wilder got tired in that fight, which you don't see often.

Who with that build is cutting 20+ pounds (it's not 14) in their mid-30s successfully? Fleshier guys might do it, but the ripped fighters you're referring to are all in their 20s.

And again, repeating something you do for every fight is not the same as dropping down a division, even if it is possible. How many fighters can you name who have dropped down to a lower (and stronger) division successfully, at 32 years of age? It just doesn't happen. Whatever Charlo and Hurd do is totally irrelevant to Wilder's situation if he was to try his luck at 200.

Agreed. It's not going to happen so we are pissing in the wind, for a change.

Posted: **12 Apr 2018, 13:55**

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 13:44
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 13:28
Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 13:16

Not when they're approaching their mid-30s we don't. And we don't see them dropping down to a lower division in their 30s either.

Cutting to a weight you've always fought at in your 20s, is not the same as dropping down from a higher weight class in your 30s. Ask RJJ how dropping back down worked for him.
Wilder would be rehydrating to his natural weight. The same as all fighters do that compete in the lower weight classes.

And we have regularly seen fighters in their thirties rehydrate 14lbs or so after the official weigh-in and continue their success.
Well again, you're using his weight from the Ortiz fight, which he himself stated he only weighed due to illness. 214 is not a typical weight for him, and a couple of right hands aside, that was a very lacklustre performance. Wilder got tired in that fight, which you don't see often.

Who with that build is cutting 20+ pounds (it's not 14) in their mid-30s successfully? Fleshier guys might do it, but the ripped fighters you're referring to are all in their 20s.

And again, repeating something you do for every fight is not the same as dropping down a division, even if it is possible. How many fighters can you name who have dropped down to a lower (and stronger) division successfully, at 32 years of age? It just doesn't happen. Whatever Charlo and Hurd do is totally irrelevant to Wilder's situation if he was to try his luck at 200.

As I've already stated, Wilder has competed at 220lbs or lighter for 60% of his bouts, which equates to 24 fights.

He made his pro debut at 207lbs and weighed 214lbs during his last outing.

The American also has a proven track record of weighing lighter against better quality opponents.

I suspect that most of the cruiserweights that competed in the WBSS weigh about 220lbs between fights. And Wilder doesn't have to manage his weight like they do, but his mathematical average weight for all 40 bouts he's competed in is coincidentally 220lbs.

Posted: **12 Apr 2018, 14:14**

tiny_acres wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 12:07
punchoutsb wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 12:06
tiny_acres wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 11:13

Dude we think too much alike.
I was just going to ask which arm should he cut off to make the weight
You also both seem to not know about dehydration cuts.
He is already the leanest hevyweight I've seen in years.
He probably has the lowest body fat percentage in the division

You just proved my point.

Posted: **12 Apr 2018, 14:15**

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 13:19
punchoutsb wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 12:06
tiny_acres wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 11:13

Dude we think too much alike.
I was just going to ask which arm should he cut off to make the weight
You also both seem to not know about dehydration cuts.
Dehydrating yourself makes it POSSIBLE to cut weight. It doesn't make it wise. It comes with a high price when you try to cut too much water weight after you turn 30. Chad Dawson did it to fight Ward. Ended his own career by trying...

I didn't say it was wise. Also, virtually every fighter on planet earth that is not a heavyweight cuts water to make weight. It's the benefit/problem of 24 hour weigh ins.

Posted: **12 Apr 2018, 14:19**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 13:55
Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 13:44
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 13:28
Wilder would be rehydrating to his natural weight. The same as all fighters do that compete in the lower weight classes.

And we have regularly seen fighters in their thirties rehydrate 14lbs or so after the official weigh-in and continue their success.
Well again, you're using his weight from the Ortiz fight, which he himself stated he only weighed due to illness. 214 is not a typical weight for him, and a couple of right hands aside, that was a very lacklustre performance. Wilder got tired in that fight, which you don't see often.

Who with that build is cutting 20+ pounds (it's not 14) in their mid-30s successfully? Fleshier guys might do it, but the ripped fighters you're referring to are all in their 20s.

And again, repeating something you do for every fight is not the same as dropping down a division, even if it is possible. How many fighters can you name who have dropped down to a lower (and stronger) division successfully, at 32 years of age? It just doesn't happen. Whatever Charlo and Hurd do is totally irrelevant to Wilder's situation if he was to try his luck at 200.
As I've already stated, Wilder has competed at 220lbs or lighter for 60% of his bouts, which equates to 24 fights.

He made his pro debut at 207lbs and weighed 214lbs during his last outing.

And as I've already stated, not since 2012 he hasn't! His average weight over the past 5 years is over 225, whatever you want to say about class of opponents.

You haven't even attempted to acknowledge the point of the 214 being due to illness, how he tired in that fight, possibly as a result of weighing lighter, or attempted to address my point that suddenly dropping down a division at 32 isn't remotely the same as a fighter in their 20s regularly cutting to a given weight.

The fact is, Wilder vs Usyk at 200 would have FAR more in common with Dawson vs Ward, Oscar vs Pacquiao or Leonard vs Norris, than it would with Hurd vs whoever at 154 or Crawford vs whoever at 140 or below.

Posted: **12 Apr 2018, 14:23**

punchoutsb wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 14:15
Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 13:19
punchoutsb wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 12:06

You also both seem to not know about dehydration cuts.
Dehydrating yourself makes it POSSIBLE to cut weight. It doesn't make it wise. It comes with a high price when you try to cut too much water weight after you turn 30. Chad Dawson did it to fight Ward. Ended his own career by trying...
I didn't say it was wise. Also, virtually every fighter on planet earth that is not a heavyweight cuts water to make weight. It's the benefit/problem of 24 hour weigh ins.

We're debating how well he'd do at 200, not whether or not he could get there. It's not wise and he'd get a spanking if he tried is my take on it.

And yes we do, but we don't see 32 year olds cutting 25 pounds and still being successful, especially when moving down in weight. Again, that's the point I'm making.

Posted: **12 Apr 2018, 14:27**

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 14:23
punchoutsb wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 14:15
Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 13:19

Dehydrating yourself makes it POSSIBLE to cut weight. It doesn't make it wise. It comes with a high price when you try to cut too much water weight after you turn 30. Chad Dawson did it to fight Ward. Ended his own career by trying...
I didn't say it was wise. Also, virtually every fighter on planet earth that is not a heavyweight cuts water to make weight. It's the benefit/problem of 24 hour weigh ins.
We're debating how well he'd do at 200, not whether or not he could get there. It's not wise and he'd get a spanking if he tried is my take on it.

And yes we do, but we don't see 32 year olds cutting 25 pounds and still being successful, especially when moving down in weight. Again, that's the point I'm making.

My posts have been in response to the few posters saying he'd have to cut an arm off, zero percent bodyfat, ect. I've already said he'd be a zombie, but he could make the weight. It's far from impossible.

Posted: **12 Apr 2018, 14:40**

punchoutsb wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 14:27
Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 14:23
punchoutsb wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 14:15

I didn't say it was wise. Also, virtually every fighter on planet earth that is not a heavyweight cuts water to make weight. It's the benefit/problem of 24 hour weigh ins.
We're debating how well he'd do at 200, not whether or not he could get there. It's not wise and he'd get a spanking if he tried is my take on it.

And yes we do, but we don't see 32 year olds cutting 25 pounds and still being successful, especially when moving down in weight. Again, that's the point I'm making.
My posts have been in response to the few posters saying he'd have to cut an arm off, zero percent bodyfat, ect. I've already said he'd be a zombie, but he could make the weight. It's far from impossible.

I agree with you then. Apologies for missing the context. I think Wilder could make 200 if he near enough put himself in hospital. I just don't think he'd threaten any of the cruiser top 10 if he did - he'd probably be done at a threat at heavyweight too, after he moved back up (see Chad Dawson).

Posted: **12 Apr 2018, 15:49**

It's plain stupid.

If Wilder dropped to 200, any cruiserweight in the world would beat him.

He would be a lifeless shell. Carry him in. Carry him out.

Wilder usually weighs in the 220s. Often close to 230.

The Ortiz fight weight was an anomaly.

He's 6'7". He can't and won't drop to cruiser. Just insanity.

Posted: **12 Apr 2018, 15:53**

SenorPipino wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 15:49 It's plain stupid.

If Wilder dropped to 200, any cruiserweight in the world would beat him.

He would be a lifeless shell. Carry him in. Carry him out.

Wilder usually weighs in the 220s. Often close to 230.

The Ortiz fight weight was an anomaly.

He's 6'7". He can't and won't drop to cruiser. Just insanity.

Posted: **12 Apr 2018, 16:00**

I'm surprised so many people on a boxing forum have no idea about cutting weight.

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