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Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 04:23

Kalan wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 04:04

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 03:07 Manny Pacquiao used to pretend that the reason why he wouldn't participate in blood based drug testing was due to his so-called fear of needles, yet he enjoyed getting a load of tattoos.

He even rejected an opportunity to face Floyd Mayweather Jr., because he didn't want to undergo blood based drug testing.

His performance levels dipped when he finally agreed to undergo blood based PED tests for his bouts. Some say this was merely a coincidence.

The reason Pacquiao won the PED lawsuit settlements is because Floyd, Floyd Sr, De La Hoya, and Golden Boy Promotions put damaging innuendo and lies out there. If they didn't settle out of court and apologize to Pacquiao, they were risking massive fines in the 8 figures. Pacquiao won all of his PED lawsuits against those guys and they paid him millions.

Pacquiao was open to be PED tested from the beginning... Floyd kept changing what he wanted for the PED testing regimen. Floyd kept moving the goal posts... Finally Pacquiao said, "I'll take any tests Floyd wants.. I will take tests between rounds standing on my head if that's what Floyd wants.. But Mayweather is a coward.. He doesn't want to fight..." Then it was the money issue.. For years the money wasn't right for Floyd...

Then when Floyd heard that Pacquiao was having severe rotator cuff issues -- and that's why Pac wasn't punching effectively and never had any KO wins -- that's when Floyd wanted to setup a fight with Pacquiao.

I've seen videos of Manny stating that he didn't want to undergo blood based drug testing.

For sure, Team Mayweather did make several slanderous claims that they couldn't substantiate, but when Pacquiao filed a lawsuit, part of the reason why he ended up dropping it, was because he didn't want to disclose pertinent information.

I don't know if Manny was clean or not, but his behaviour was dubious at times.

Kalan wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 03:58

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 04:23

Kalan wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 04:04

The reason Pacquiao won the PED lawsuit settlements is because Floyd, Floyd Sr, De La Hoya, and Golden Boy Promotions put damaging innuendo and lies out there. If they didn't settle out of court and apologize to Pacquiao, they were risking massive fines in the 8 figures. Pacquiao won all of his PED lawsuits against those guys and they paid him millions.

Pacquiao was open to be PED tested from the beginning... Floyd kept changing what he wanted for the PED testing regimen. Floyd kept moving the goal posts... Finally Pacquiao said, "I'll take any tests Floyd wants.. I will take tests between rounds standing on my head if that's what Floyd wants.. But Mayweather is a coward.. He doesn't want to fight..." Then it was the money issue.. For years the money wasn't right for Floyd...

Then when Floyd heard that Pacquiao was having severe rotator cuff issues -- and that's why Pac wasn't punching effectively and never had any KO wins -- that's when Floyd wanted to setup a fight with Pacquiao.

I've seen videos of Manny stating that he didn't want to undergo blood based drug testing.

For sure, Team Mayweather did make several slanderous claims that they couldn't substantiate, but when Pacquiao filed a lawsuit, part of the reason why he ended up dropping it, was because he didn't want to disclose pertinent information.

I don't know if Manny was clean or not, but his behaviour was dubious at times.

Your accusations are dubious... It was evident Pac was going to WIN all his lawsuits and ALL the people who accused him moved to settled out of court... They gave Pacquiao a massive amount of money and apologized.

SFW wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 23:20 Hatton made a career out of being an aggressive face first fighter, and he had a lot of wear and tear by the time he faced Manny. All the bad habits, the porous defense, the inability to adjust, it all came out against Manny. Manny was at the peak of his epic run, accurate and powerful as ever. Ricky had no idea what hit him nor any back up plan, his limitations were on display. Though it did take an all time great fighter to capitalize on those limitations, gotta give Ricky credit he fought his ass off to reach the heights he did. Manny was just untouchable at that point.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 04:15

Kalan wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 03:58

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 04:23
I've seen videos of Manny stating that he didn't want to undergo blood based drug testing.

For sure, Team Mayweather did make several slanderous claims that they couldn't substantiate, but when Pacquiao filed a lawsuit, part of the reason why he ended up dropping it, was because he didn't want to disclose pertinent information.

I don't know if Manny was clean or not, but his behaviour was dubious at times.

Your accusations are dubious... It was evident Pac was going to WIN all his lawsuits and ALL the people who accused him moved to settled out of court... They gave Pacquiao a massive amount of money and apologized.

You’re embellishing the situation, because the terms of the Mayweather-Pacquiao lawsuit were never disclosed to the public. So he may not have received a single penny from Floyd, since no one, other than those directly involved with the case itself, knows otherwise.

All we know is, both parties agreed to pay their own legal fees. That was the only piece of information that was disclosed.

pablothunder wrote: ↑19 Apr 2018, 15:55

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 04:15

Kalan wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 03:58

Your accusations are dubious... It was evident Pac was going to WIN all his lawsuits and ALL the people who accused him moved to settled out of court... They gave Pacquiao a massive amount of money and apologized.

You’re embellishing the situation, because the terms of the Mayweather-Pacquiao lawsuit were never disclosed to the public. So he may not have received a single penny from Floyd, since no one, other than those directly involved with the case itself, knows otherwise.

All we know is, both parties agreed to pay their own legal fees. That was the only piece of information that was disclosed.

Remember when Floyd got that Therapeutic Use Exemption? I don't even remember who it was against but the outrageously ridiculous story sticks in my mind.
A professional athlete.. dangerously dehydrated but the top level contest continues. Sounds like an elite level long distance road cyclist who 'needed' treatment for asthma. Money talks and talks all the pish it wants. Like the 6 month ban and no fine.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 10:06

pablothunder wrote: ↑19 Apr 2018, 15:55

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 04:15
You’re embellishing the situation, because the terms of the Mayweather-Pacquiao lawsuit were never disclosed to the public. So he may not have received a single penny from Floyd, since no one, other than those directly involved with the case itself, knows otherwise.

All we know is, both parties agreed to pay their own legal fees. That was the only piece of information that was disclosed.

Remember when Floyd got that Therapeutic Use Exemption? I don't even remember who it was against but the outrageously ridiculous story sticks in my mind.
A professional athlete.. dangerously dehydrated but the top level contest continues. Sounds like an elite level long distance road cyclist who 'needed' treatment for asthma. Money talks and talks all the pish it wants. Like the 6 month ban and no fine.

'Asthma' is common in top level sport, hence the widespread need for exemption certificates. Let's face it, PED use will never be wiped out, but it has to be controlled (and punished) more effectively if we are to care about sporting results.

Otherwise anyone serious about any sport, especially endurance ones like cycling, athletics and boxing, will have to include illegal PED use and how to remain undetected, amongst their training regime.


The known extent of the problem
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/o ... oping.html

The Fancy Bears Hack revelations
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/37421535


Lance Armstrong settled by paying $5 million. The US Govt wanted $100 million but at least they finally got as good an admission of guilt as they could have hoped for.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/deadspin ... 288537/amp

pablothunder wrote: ↑26 Apr 2018, 13:22

Thomastearns wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 10:06

pablothunder wrote: ↑19 Apr 2018, 15:55 Remember when Floyd got that Therapeutic Use Exemption? I don't even remember who it was against but the outrageously ridiculous story sticks in my mind.
A professional athlete.. dangerously dehydrated but the top level contest continues. Sounds like an elite level long distance road cyclist who 'needed' treatment for asthma. Money talks and talks all the pish it wants. Like the 6 month ban and no fine.

'Asthma' is common in top level sport, hence the widespread need for exemption certificates. Let's face it, PED use will never be wiped out, but it has to be controlled (and punished) more effectively if we are to care about sporting results.

Otherwise anyone serious about any sport, especially endurance ones like cycling, athletics and boxing, will have to include illegal PED use and how to remain undetected, amongst their training regime.


The known extent of the problem
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/o ... oping.html

The Fancy Bears Hack revelations
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/37421535


Lance Armstrong settled by paying $5 million. The US Govt wanted $100 million but at least they finally got as good an admission of guilt as they could have hoped for.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/deadspin ... 288537/amp

Jeeziz, if being exceptionally healthy also brings a high chance of developing life threatening asthma then I think people should be warned.
My initial (uneducated) thoughts are- those who develop asthma aren't gonna be top of the tree, because at a point they drop out along with those who drop out due to the litany of other restrictions on development people can face. Surely giving them a step up isn't a level playing field?

I agree about PED use needing to be controlled and punished significantly. Everybody looks for maximum benefits however they can within clear understanding of the banned/legal list. . For instance, an Olympic, or, famously, a top level cycling team, will have better knowledge and access to what is thought to improve performance yet perfectly legal, which few other contenders will have. It's not unfair advantage from outside but its a foot up, and that's the way life is.
It is a murky field really, but boxing does retty much disgraces itself. Again.

Here's a thought - is having a medically unnecessary operation to reduce the chance of cuts a fair or unfair advantage against the guy who can't afford to fix the affliction? Is it fair or unfair boosting of one's natural ability?
I'm not of the opinion it shouldn't be allowed, yet I can see it's not an evenly distributed option.
Given that option wasn't available in the 1950's, what other medical developments will come in the future and how will we view them?