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deadpan wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 06:59 That's a terrible business decision that irreparably damages the credibility of the WBSS product now and in the future.

It smacks of bias too. Why isn't Braehmer getting the chance? If Braehmer had lost to Groves and Eubank had dropped out of the Smith semi do you think Jürgen would have got the offer?

The damage to credibility would be sealed by Smith winning the whole thing by beating Skoglund, a last minute kickboxer replacement, and a fighter who was well beaten in the other semi.

At least in other tournaments of a similar nature the winners had to go through a decent run of opponents.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 08:33

Horse wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 08:28 Why is everyone sucking Smith's willy in this thread?

He's just a big bloke. He's not proven at all at the top level.

and Eubank is a smaller bloke not proven at top level

given that neithr are exactly Lomachenko in the skill category (mind you at least Smith knows how to throw a jab) its a decent prediction to say the great big stiff oaf will overcome the smaller stiff, useless, no-head-movement, no-jab, oaf.

Eubank is arguably more proven - but proven that he's definitely not top level.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 08:33and Eubank is a smaller bloke not proven at top level

given that neithr are exactly Lomachenko in the skill category (mind you at least Smith knows how to throw a jab) its a decent prediction to say the great big stiff oaf will overcome the smaller stiff, useless, no-head-movement, no-jab, oaf.

Eubank is more proven at the top level than Smith.

Eubank is getting underrated now. Groves made him look very basic, but I doubt that Smith will do anything similar against him.

Smith had an easy run to the final and doesn't deserve to be getting all this hype on the forum.

Horse wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 08:57

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 08:33and Eubank is a smaller bloke not proven at top level

given that neithr are exactly Lomachenko in the skill category (mind you at least Smith knows how to throw a jab) its a decent prediction to say the great big stiff oaf will overcome the smaller stiff, useless, no-head-movement, no-jab, oaf.

Eubank is more proven at the top level than Smith.

Eubank is getting underrated now. Groves made him look very basic, but I doubt that Smith will do anything similar against him.

Smith had an easy run to the final and doesn't deserve to be getting all this hype on the forum.

i don't think its hyping him to say he's about as crap as Eubank, just a bit bigger

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 08:59i don't think its hyping him to say he's about as crap as Eubank, just a bit bigger

I think it might be.

Horse wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 09:00

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 08:59i don't think its hyping him to say he's about as crap as Eubank, just a bit bigger

I think it might be.

which part?

There shouldnt be a final. Why should a boxer easily beaten then get a shot at the big one?

Eubank will win and start spouting off about destiny and his time.

It stinks like horse chit.

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 05:38 What a joke.

Urgh I can just imagine the loathsome Eubanks if Junior wins. Claiming to be the best in the world and other nonsense. They were bad enough with the IBO.

Here's hoping Callum cleans his clock.

On the money.

We're going to get the 'game changer' crap coming out of Sr's mouth again if Jr wins.

If one boxer doesnt turn up for thr final the other one that got to the final legit should be declared the winner via walkover. Why the hell should a loser go on to most likely win the final and reap the rewards.

The issue is that the event organiser has a lot of money to make to doesnt give a hoot who wins. Eubank winning is a joke.

Eubank is a great replacement, he will generate a lot of interest and make it a great fight, when has he ever been in a bad fight?
Also he will have learned a lot against Groves too.

Horse wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 07:44

fizzjambo wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 07:34Neither do I. It’s amazing how overrated Eubank still is by many.

If Smith uses his range properly he’ll stop Eubank late or win comfortably on points. Eubank is very, very ordinary

What's Callum Smith done to be rated so highly?

Just because Groves beat Eubank fairly comfortably, it doesn't mean that Smith will be able to do something similar.

Eubank has fought at a significantly higher level than Smith and I don't see an easy win for Smith at all.

Whose Eubank fought who is truly top level? No one. He’s had glaring deficiencies since day one that he’s never resolved and he wouldn’t know how to close distance properly against a taller fighter if he kept going for another ten years. Smith hasn’t done anything special but he should win this handily enough

Horse wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 08:28 Why is everyone sucking Smith's willy in this thread?

He's just a big bloke. He's not proven at all at the top level.

I quite like Smith, ive always had him winning pretty wide on my cards

dirk2686 wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 08:34

deadpan wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 06:59 That's a terrible business decision that irreparably damages the credibility of the WBSS product now and in the future.

It smacks of bias too. Why isn't Braehmer getting the chance? If Braehmer had lost to Groves and Eubank had dropped out of the Smith semi do you think Jürgen would have got the offer?

The damage to credibility would be sealed by Smith winning the whole thing by beating Skoglund, a last minute kickboxer replacement, and a fighter who was well beaten in the other semi.

At least in other tournaments of a similar nature the winners had to go through a decent run of opponents.

i agree. i actually rate smith but it would be a laughable run of opponents to win a major tournament like this that is trying to bring the top guys together

fizzjambo wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 14:15Whose Eubank fought who is truly top level? No one. He’s had glaring deficiencies since day one that he’s never resolved and he wouldn’t know how to close distance properly against a taller fighter if he kept going for another ten years. Smith hasn’t done anything special but he should win this handily enough

Groves and Saunders.

Coco wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 10:15 Eubank is a great replacement, he will generate a lot of interest and make it a great fight, when has he ever been in a bad fight?
Also he will have learned a lot against Groves too.

Yeah even groves went on the run vs eubank. He didn't fight eubank the same way he fought froch. If eubank was leaping in to groves shots to land his own, I don't think its anywhere near a given that smith KOs him as some suggest

Horse wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 14:44

fizzjambo wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 14:15Whose Eubank fought who is truly top level? No one. He’s had glaring deficiencies since day one that he’s never resolved and he wouldn’t know how to close distance properly against a taller fighter if he kept going for another ten years. Smith hasn’t done anything special but he should win this handily enough

Groves and Saunders.

How did he get on?

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 14:48

Coco wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 10:15 Eubank is a great replacement, he will generate a lot of interest and make it a great fight, when has he ever been in a bad fight?
Also he will have learned a lot against Groves too.

Yeah even groves went on the run vs eubank. He didn't fight eubank the same way he fought froch. If eubank was leaping in to groves shots to land his own, I don't think its anywhere near a given that smith KOs him as some suggest

He didn’t go in the run, he boxed to a plan - and it worked.

Why would he use the same tactics he used for Froch against other opponents?

This shouldn’t be a criticism, it should be a positive.

bripez wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 15:01How did he get on?

He did alright.

deadpan wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 06:59 That's a terrible business decision that irreparably damages the credibility of the WBSS product now and in the future.

It smacks of bias too. Why isn't Braehmer getting the chance? If Braehmer had lost to Groves and Eubank had dropped out of the Smith semi do you think Jürgen would have got the offer?

for me each wbss has to be taken on its own. there is no one wbss 'quality', which in a way i guess could hurt the image if the point was to make it into a series of tournmanets where you know just by the wbss name that each will be excellent.

the cruiser tournament was great but smw not so much, although groves-eubank was still a big fight. the wbss at bantam looks like its going to be excellent too, even though smw wasnt.

Crappy ending to good tournament, but I’m looking forward to this fight so no real complaints.

bripez wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 15:03

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 14:48

Coco wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 10:15 Eubank is a great replacement, he will generate a lot of interest and make it a great fight, when has he ever been in a bad fight?
Also he will have learned a lot against Groves too.

Yeah even groves went on the run vs eubank. He didn't fight eubank the same way he fought froch. If eubank was leaping in to groves shots to land his own, I don't think its anywhere near a given that smith KOs him as some suggest

He didn’t go in the run, he boxed to a plan - and it worked.

Why would he use the same tactics he used for Froch against other opponents?

This shouldn’t be a criticism, it should be a positive.

Just making a point about eubanks toughness. Eubank has never been "out manned" in a fight. Even when he's lost it looked like he was the tougher guy in there. So I don't get the idea that smith will steamroll him easily

As others have said Jnr will be a very tough night's work for Smith and I can't remember Smith facing anybody before that will keep coming all night .

I'm with Horse on this and if this goes ahead I see Eubanks roughing him up and forcing a late stoppage.

Smith always comes across well to me though and would like him to give Jnr a boxing lessons , but just don't see it .

smths way bgger then jr. not sure how much jr can outman/overpower him.

Joke, should delay the final instead.

jamamb wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 16:21 smths way bgger then jr. not sure how much jr can outman/overpower him.

I think Smith walks him down. Pushed onto the back foot Eubanks deficiencies in footwork will be shown in glaring fashion, plus lack of overall skills.