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Syntax Error wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 00:54

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 11:25

SenorPipino wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 11:13

Is Hearn one of your FB friends?

It looks like Joshua will face Povetkin in September, with the Wilder bout taking place during November/December (probably in Cardiff).

I've never met Eddie Hearn and I'm not following him on social media either.

I'd be shocked if Hearn would put his cash cow out there twice in fairly quick succession.

Joshua only fights twice a year, so I believe if it's Povetkin in the Autumn, Wilder will be next year.

I don’t know about the dates. I’ve only quoted Eddie Hearn’s words. He has repeatedly claimed that he’d like to have Joshua fight three times during 2018. And more recently, he’s stated that the current plan is for AJ to compete twice more before the end of the year.

Joshua’s next two opponents are clear (assuming he remains unbeaten), as they’ll inevitably be Povetkin and Wilder. What’s up for debate though is which one of these guys he’ll face first. I'm hoping that the media's recent reports are true and that we'll see 'The Bronze Bomber' face AJ next.

Personally-speaking, I can’t see AJ fighting twice more before the end of the year. So we could see him compete during autumn (i.e. September/October) and then once again in February.

That said, I prefer Hearn's ambitious time schedule over my "guesstimate".

I'm thinking part of a Povetkin step-aside deal is Miller i.e. no Povetkin v Joshua fight this year. They're ranked 1 and 3 in the WBA. Povetkin Super mandatory, Miller second Regular mandatory. Also, Hearn promised another heavyweight fight on his 28th July card, assumed Chisora but he has a solid relationship with Povetkin's team and also has his links to Miller, who seems to think Hearn owes him. Standard Hearn behaviour in my opinion, getting Povetkin to fight one of his fighters to allow one of his other fighters to make him some more money, whilst clearing a "debt" to Miller...

joshj909 wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 04:17 I'm thinking part of a Povetkin step-aside dealiss Miller i.e. no Povetkin v Joshua fight this year. They're ranked 1 and 3 in the WBA. Povetkin Super mandatory, Miller second Regular mandatory. Also, Hearn promised another heavyweight fight on his 28th July card, assumed Chisora but he has a solid relationship with Povetkin's team and also has his links to Miller, who seems to think Hearn owes him. Standard Hearn behaviour in my opinion, getting Povetkin to fight one of his fighters to allow one of his other fighters to make him some more money, whilst clearing a "debt" to Miller...

Yh this is what I think but if it was to happen it would probably be on the undercard of the aj wilder fight or on one of his new dazn shows as the undercard for the Whyte Parker fight is meant to be announced today and I doubt a deal would have been done this quickly

Boxing101101 wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 04:33 Yh this is what I think but if it was to happen it would probably be on the undercard of the aj wilder fight or on one of his new dazn shows as the undercard for the Whyte Parker fight is meant to be announced today and I doubt a deal would have been done this quickly

Good point. This would be the best possible outcome if i'm honest. I'm not interested in either of Povetkin or Miller against Charr, and having either of them sit on the sidelines does nothing for the fans especially considering Povetkin's age. I would rather Joshua v Povetkin before Wilder (i think i'm actually the only one), but if this is what it takes to put an end to all this then i'm fine with it.

On another note, Povetkin v Miller on a DAZN show would be a great start in my opinion.

joshj909 wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 04:49

Boxing101101 wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 04:33 Yh this is what I think but if it was to happen it would probably be on the undercard of the aj wilder fight or on one of his new dazn shows as the undercard for the Whyte Parker fight is meant to be announced today and I doubt a deal would have been done this quickly

On another note, Povetkin v Miller on a DAZN show would be a great start in my opinion.

Yep and his first event is in Brooklyn so all makes sense

joshj909 wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 04:49

Boxing101101 wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 04:33 Yh this is what I think but if it was to happen it would probably be on the undercard of the aj wilder fight or on one of his new dazn shows as the undercard for the Whyte Parker fight is meant to be announced today and I doubt a deal would have been done this quickly

Good point. This would be the best possible outcome if i'm honest. I'm not interested in either of Povetkin or Miller against Charr, and having either of them sit on the sidelines does nothing for the fans especially considering Povetkin's age. I would rather Joshua v Povetkin before Wilder (i think i'm actually the only one), but if this is what it takes to put an end to all this then i'm fine with it.

On another note, Povetkin v Miller on a DAZN show would be a great start in my opinion.

Povitkin is near the end of his teather, and wants a title shot. I think he will want step aside money if he does not get a go at AJ by the end of the year. If the Wilder fight happens first, and it's prerequisite rematch, he is going to want some $$$.

"'WE'LL SEE IF HE IS REAL!' Anthony Joshua v Deontay Wilder: Eddie Hearn says contract drawn up for huge heavyweight unification fight"

[Eddie Hearn] The boxing promoter is ready to finalise the showdown everyone wants to see...

Joshua is already pencilled in to take on WBA mandatory challenger Alexander Povetkin, but a fight against Wilder could now take place before that.

Matchroom promoter Hearn said on Tuesday: “Our original plan and hope was to do it in September but with (Mexican) Canelo (Alvarez) fighting on September 15 it makes it a little bit more difficult with US TV.

“The fact that we’ve lost four weeks waiting for an answer from Deontay Wilder makes a fight happening in 11 or 12 weeks of this magnitude unlikely.

“I think if it is before Povetkin then it runs on October/November. It’s all come as a bit of a shock that Deontay’s finally come back to us on the offer and seems to accept the terms. Now we have to find out if it’s bluster or if it’s real.”

Joshua v Povetkin would be a good warm up before the ultimate showdown. The only slight damp squib is that Wider doesn't have an equally enticing build up, so he may want Joshua next.

So maybe Povetkin will now have to wait to see who he will get beaten up by next since both these guys are way better than David Price.

It still remains to be seen when and where but Joshua wants UK naturally enough. There is still a little remaining doubt over the GGG v Canelo date or else it could even be as early as September as it's starting to look like Wilder is now super keen to get it on. Perhaps he feels he's got nowhere else to go, so why not Joshua next?

Either way the fans win.

In fact when you think about it what's the logic of Wilder risking the biggest purse of his career by a huge distance if he doesn't have to?

Deontay Wilder has a tremendously exciting style but it's a very open style, and this is heavyweight boxing. It's not infeasible for Povetkin to derail the whole circus by upsetting Joshua, so it's making more and more sense for Wilder to seize the initiative and sign now.

Povetkin step aside money. If he doesn’t take it, drop the belt, then whoever wins can fight Povetkin for it after etc

Joshua v Wilder is the fight to make at heavyweight. Everyone else can take a back seat.

Except if he drops the belt then the Wilder fight is no longer for the undisputed title. I'll be happy to see Joshua v Povetkin and Wilder v Breazeale first provided Joshua v Wilder is next up. Of course there is a risk involved but I'm confident both will get past these hurdles.

candyslim wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 03:51 Except if he drops the belt then the Wilder fight is no longer for the undisputed title. I'll be happy to see Joshua v Povetkin and Wilder v Breazeale first provided Joshua v Wilder is next up. Of course there is a risk involved but I'm confident both will get past these hurdles.

I'm in agreement with this. Also people are seeming to forget that if they don't have these fights first then the WBC, WBA, IBf and WBO mandatories will all be called early in 2019 with a likely second Joshua v Wilder fight happening in 2019 also. We know they can be postponed for unifications but following the unification i don't see any of them wanting to wait until all the other mandatories have happened before theirs happens.

Long story short, the unified champ will be stripped of atleast one belt before the end of 2019, unless they have these mandatories first.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 13:48 In fact when you think about it what's the logic of Wilder risking the biggest purse of his career by a huge distance if he doesn't have to?

Deontay Wilder has a tremendously exciting style but it's a very open style, and this is heavyweight boxing. It's not infeasible for Povetkin to derail the whole circus by upsetting Joshua, so it's making more and more sense for Wilder to seize the initiative and sign now.

This is similar to the logic that preceded Joshua Parker. Parker knew that he could take the money for a one off fight against Joshua and guarantee a payday, or risk several defences in which he could easily come unstuck.

Wilder is in a similar situation. You can't go as close to losing as he did last time out and not think that the worst could happen. Before you know it, you're a former titleholder with a loss on your record and your biggest payday has vanished.

"Real chance ‘panicked’ Deontay Wilder is bluffing, says Anthony Joshua’s promoter"

Eddie Hearn will send a fight contract to Deontay Wilder this week, but admitted he has he doubts about why the American has suddenly accepted Anthony Joshua’s demands.

Joshua wants to stage a heavyweight unification fight in the UK, and rejected a £37million offer to come to the United States.

Hearn had said he expected Joshua to fight his mandatory Alexander Povetkin after not hearing back from Wilder’s team, but the WBC champion announced on Tuesday he had accepted AJ’s offer.

Wilder told Hearn and Joshua he was ready to come to the UK and wanted to sign the contract as soon as possible.

Hearn reacted immediately to the news by saying a contract would be in Wilder’s inbox by the end of the week, but admitted he has his suspicions about the American’s motives.

‘I made an offer to Deontay Wilder just under four weeks ago,’ Hearn said.

‘They’ve obviously heard that we are likely to fight Alexander Povetkin in September so I don’t know whether this was panic or bluster.

‘Obviously we have lost a lot of time and a September for fight with Wilder in terms of venue, US TV and for pure promotional build, is impossible really.

‘If it is Wilder next, it has to probably be October or November. We are running out of time.

‘Our guys will be working on the contract and they will certainly have it by the end of the week, probably before. We will then find out what is real.

‘It makes me sceptical because of the way they are handling this. We are not looking to have anything in that contract out of the ordinary.’

Joshua has sold out three stadiums for his last three fights, but Hearn said the only venue where the Wilder-AJ fight could be held was Wembley.

The 28-year-old became the WBA (Super) and IBF champion at Wembley in April 2017, and went on to win the WBO strap in Cardiff earlier this year.

Hearn doesn't make it sound like this fight is really all that close to being set.

Too much negativity raised and Hearn now questioning Wilder's motives.

Shelley Finkel, Wilder's co-promoter, just said that he hopes the contract that Hearn promises to send by Friday is "one that will result in this fight happening rather than a contract that guarantees it won't happen."

As I suspected, never believe a high profile bout is finalized until it's actually signed.

And even then.....

dirk2686 wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 04:34

Thomastearns wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 13:48 In fact when you think about it what's the logic of Wilder risking the biggest purse of his career by a huge distance if he doesn't have to?

Deontay Wilder has a tremendously exciting style but it's a very open style, and this is heavyweight boxing. It's not infeasible for Povetkin to derail the whole circus by upsetting Joshua, so it's making more and more sense for Wilder to seize the initiative and sign now.

This is similar to the logic that preceded Joshua Parker. Parker knew that he could take the money for a one off fight against Joshua and guarantee a payday, or risk several defences in which he could easily come unstuck.

Wilder is in a similar situation. You can't go as close to losing as he did last time out and not think that the worst could happen. Before you know it, you're a former titleholder with a loss on your record and your biggest payday has vanished.

Reading this and thinking about styles, I think Joshua has less to lose should he be defeated than Wilder. It looks to me like Joshua is trying to reign himself in and work on control, while Wilder is as his name suggests, and when someone finds the way to nullify him, it's game over.
I could be wrong of course, I usually am, but it's definitely Wilder's time to grasp that opportunity and keep running with it; while the KO confidence train is running at full steam.