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leejonesjnr wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 17:00

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 10:55

jtourettes wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 06:57


The gate 'only' did £8m against Wlad. Vegas venues make more with less capacity.

They would ship a good few tickets for 5k a ticket if Wilder Joshua was taking place in the MGM.

No doubt the casinos shift high value tickets when there is a big fight in town, but is this a big fight in Las Vegas?
It’s certainly a big fight here and for boxing in general but neither man is a big star there are they?

jamamb wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 22:38 aj isnt a name at all in the us and wilder is already huge punching, american, a hw champ , etc. and hes not a massive draw. your argument would hold a lot more 'common sense' weight if it was clear ppl were actually being drawn in massive numbers to those qualities now in the us

face it, red headed mexicans are a bigger thing now in the us then hw boxing. cotto, pac, floyd, etc. all these little guys were also far bigger then the ko artists hw champs

a fight like canelo vs cotto is a way bigger name combo in the us then wilder vs aj

jamamb wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 20:17 there are very few legitimate stars in the usa in boxing right now. canelo is, but in terms of active guys who will do big ppv numbers and big ass gates there it's a tiny list, possibly only canelo out of active boxers. ppl have claimed joshua vs wilder would do over 1m ppv in the us but there last fights barely did over that combined on normal us tv.

in the us wilder is comparable a name to golovkin and aj is pretty much little known. ppl go on about them being hws and so the fight will sell itself, but the power, look, etc is already there and they havent done massive numbers. canelo vs cotto and canelo vs ggg were bigger name combos in the us then wilder vs aj

anyway, if this really is signed then f@ck all that and lets move onto the fight itself

gilgamesh wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 22:43

jamamb wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 22:38 aj isnt a name at all in the us and wilder is already huge punching, american, a hw champ , etc. and hes not a massive draw. your argument would hold a lot more 'common sense' weight if it was clear ppl were actually being drawn in massive numbers to those qualities now in the us

face it, red headed mexicans are a bigger thing now in the us then hw boxing. cotto, pac, floyd, etc. all these little guys were also far bigger then the ko artists hw champs

a fight like canelo vs cotto is a way bigger name combo in the us then wilder vs aj

Virtually no boxer is a massive draw in America. The sport itself isn't a massive draw here.

Taansend wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 23:29

gilgamesh wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 22:43

jamamb wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 22:38 aj isnt a name at all in the us and wilder is already huge punching, american, a hw champ , etc. and hes not a massive draw. your argument would hold a lot more 'common sense' weight if it was clear ppl were actually being drawn in massive numbers to those qualities now in the us

face it, red headed mexicans are a bigger thing now in the us then hw boxing. cotto, pac, floyd, etc. all these little guys were also far bigger then the ko artists hw champs

a fight like canelo vs cotto is a way bigger name combo in the us then wilder vs aj

Virtually no boxer is a massive draw in America. The sport itself isn't a massive draw here.

True. Mayweather did huge damage to the sports credibility. It's barely even a minor sport any more.

Most of my younger male colleagues can name 5-10 UFC or MMA fighters, very few can name three active moxers.

Taansend wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 23:26

jamamb wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 20:17 there are very few legitimate stars in the usa in boxing right now. canelo is, but in terms of active guys who will do big ppv numbers and big ass gates there it's a tiny list, possibly only canelo out of active boxers. ppl have claimed joshua vs wilder would do over 1m ppv in the us but there last fights barely did over that combined on normal us tv.

in the us wilder is comparable a name to golovkin and aj is pretty much little known. ppl go on about them being hws and so the fight will sell itself, but the power, look, etc is already there and they havent done massive numbers. canelo vs cotto and canelo vs ggg were bigger name combos in the us then wilder vs aj

anyway, if this really is signed then f@ck all that and lets move onto the fight itself

No f*cking way

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 22:36

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 17:00

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 10:55

They would ship a good few tickets for 5k a ticket if Wilder Joshua was taking place in the MGM.

No doubt the casinos shift high value tickets when there is a big fight in town, but is this a big fight in Las Vegas?
It’s certainly a big fight here and for boxing in general but neither man is a big star there are they?

This question is beyond boring

"is an undisputed heavyweight title fight between two unbeaten bangers, one american trying to bring all the belts home for the biggest prize in sports a big fight? Will people actually tune in to watch such a fight???"

jamamb wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 22:45 canelo is a very big draw, making around 20m a fight and being a ppv fighter. pac, floyd, cotto were ppv fighters making big money. clearly a big difference between them and any hw boxer now in america.

face it, hw boxing simply isnt that big a deal in the us now, if it were the 6'7 , brash talking, ko artist american champ would already be a ppv , 10m+, mainstream fighter. funny that ppl think matching wilder with a guy whose very little known in the us would suddenly make it massive there

the whole 'but duh this fight will be huge in the us cus there big punching hws' stuff is so laughable because clearly big punching hws arent really that major of a deal in the us right now. its been about the little guys for years

dont get me wrong, it would still get decent numbers, but some ppl here are saying easily 1m+ on us ppv and that shows total lack of knowledge of the us scene

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 22:36

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 17:00

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 10:55

They would ship a good few tickets for 5k a ticket if Wilder Joshua was taking place in the MGM.

No doubt the casinos shift high value tickets when there is a big fight in town, but is this a big fight in Las Vegas?
It’s certainly a big fight here and for boxing in general but neither man is a big star there are they?

This question is beyond boring

"is an undisputed heavyweight title fight between two unbeaten bangers, one american trying to bring all the belts home for the biggest prize in sports a big fight? Will people actually tune in to watch such a fight???"

gilgamesh wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 23:32

Taansend wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 23:29

gilgamesh wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 22:43

Virtually no boxer is a massive draw in America. The sport itself isn't a massive draw here.

True. Mayweather did huge damage to the sports credibility. It's barely even a minor sport any more.

Most of my younger male colleagues can name 5-10 UFC or MMA fighters, very few can name three active moxers.

I don't think Mayweather did any damage to the sports credibility, if he was such a downer to the sport he wouldn't have been the draw he was. The lack of a notable American Heavyweight Champion for more or less the last 2 decades probably has been one of the bigger problems facing the popularity of American Boxing.

jamamb wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 23:34

Taansend wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 23:26

jamamb wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 20:17 there are very few legitimate stars in the usa in boxing right now. canelo is, but in terms of active guys who will do big ppv numbers and big ass gates there it's a tiny list, possibly only canelo out of active boxers. ppl have claimed joshua vs wilder would do over 1m ppv in the us but there last fights barely did over that combined on normal us tv.

in the us wilder is comparable a name to golovkin and aj is pretty much little known. ppl go on about them being hws and so the fight will sell itself, but the power, look, etc is already there and they havent done massive numbers. canelo vs cotto and canelo vs ggg were bigger name combos in the us then wilder vs aj

anyway, if this really is signed then f@ck all that and lets move onto the fight itself

No f*cking way

why not?

look at their numbers

compare purses , attendence, and tv

actually ggg has the edge tbh

dirk2686 wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 03:13

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 22:36

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 17:00

No doubt the casinos shift high value tickets when there is a big fight in town, but is this a big fight in Las Vegas?
It’s certainly a big fight here and for boxing in general but neither man is a big star there are they?

This question is beyond boring

"is an undisputed heavyweight title fight between two unbeaten bangers, one american trying to bring all the belts home for the biggest prize in sports a big fight? Will people actually tune in to watch such a fight???"

Are you based in America?

Just that everyone on here who appears to be over there recognises that Wilder isn't a name in the US. A fight between him and Joshua would be his biggest fight but I can't think of another case when a guy has already got to multiple defences of the heavyweight title level before suddenly becoming a massive PPV star.

My point is that if this fight was going to be as big as you suggest, then Wilder's previous fights would have been bigger.

jamamb wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 03:31 lep seems to bizarrely think doing 1m a few times on network tv in the us is evidence of massive 1m + ppv drawing power. for record, broner did the biggest showtime number last year and this year loma and ggg have higher network numbers then wilder vs ortiz. these guys are all good draws but none really a side ppv stars at all, though ggg did headline a 150k ppv before facing canelo

wilder hasnt been a ppv fighter and ajs us numbers are overall pretty low. despite all the kos hes clearly not a us name nor is wilder a ppv name. we can either buy into this big talk that the fight sells itself, or we can actually look at the numbers

wilder and aj are already big ko monster hw champs yet in the us they arent in the same league as to what guys like canelo, pac, floyd, cotto, or even jmm and mab were. this simply isnt close to a massive 1m+ ppv in the states, americans in recent years have cared far more about smaller guys, maybe in part due to all the hispanic boxing fans there

KiwiRider wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 07:06

jamamb wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 03:31 lep seems to bizarrely think doing 1m a few times on network tv in the us is evidence of massive 1m + ppv drawing power. for record, broner did the biggest showtime number last year and this year loma and ggg have higher network numbers then wilder vs ortiz. these guys are all good draws but none really a side ppv stars at all, though ggg did headline a 150k ppv before facing canelo

wilder hasnt been a ppv fighter and ajs us numbers are overall pretty low. despite all the kos hes clearly not a us name nor is wilder a ppv name. we can either buy into this big talk that the fight sells itself, or we can actually look at the numbers

wilder and aj are already big ko monster hw champs yet in the us they arent in the same league as to what guys like canelo, pac, floyd, cotto, or even jmm and mab were. this simply isnt close to a massive 1m+ ppv in the states, americans in recent years have cared far more about smaller guys, maybe in part due to all the hispanic boxing fans there

Your looking at them individually Jammy. Collectively you multiply by 2 and add the X factor of a unified undisputed Heavy Weight champion at the end of it. It's been a long long time coming. It will draw ex fans out of the woodwork and casuals galore.
When Deep Purple came to New Zealand in 1985 there were genuine crusty hippies materialising out of nowhere. I hadn't seen a real hippie for 10 years prior to that concert. Deep Purple brought them out, just like this will draw out the old fans too.

Taansend wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 06:40

jamamb wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 23:34

Taansend wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 23:26

No f*cking way

why not?

look at their numbers

compare purses , attendence, and tv

actually ggg has the edge tbh

i don't need to compare numbers. I talk about boxing (or attempt to) every day. I know who's popular.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 07:06

jamamb wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 03:31 lep seems to bizarrely think doing 1m a few times on network tv in the us is evidence of massive 1m + ppv drawing power. for record, broner did the biggest showtime number last year and this year loma and ggg have higher network numbers then wilder vs ortiz. these guys are all good draws but none really a side ppv stars at all, though ggg did headline a 150k ppv before facing canelo

wilder hasnt been a ppv fighter and ajs us numbers are overall pretty low. despite all the kos hes clearly not a us name nor is wilder a ppv name. we can either buy into this big talk that the fight sells itself, or we can actually look at the numbers

wilder and aj are already big ko monster hw champs yet in the us they arent in the same league as to what guys like canelo, pac, floyd, cotto, or even jmm and mab were. this simply isnt close to a massive 1m+ ppv in the states, americans in recent years have cared far more about smaller guys, maybe in part due to all the hispanic boxing fans there

Your looking at them individually Jammy. Collectively you multiply by 2 and add the X factor of a unified undisputed Heavy Weight champion at the end of it. It's been a long long time coming. It will draw ex fans out of the woodwork and casuals galore.
When Deep Purple came to New Zealand in 1985 there were genuine crusty hippies materialising out of nowhere. I hadn't seen a real hippie for 10 years prior to that concert. Deep Purple brought them out, just like this will draw out the old fans too.

jamamb wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 07:50

Taansend wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 06:40

jamamb wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 23:34

why not?

look at their numbers

compare purses , attendence, and tv

actually ggg has the edge tbh

i don't need to compare numbers. I talk about boxing (or attempt to) every day. I know who's popular.

its basic stuff, you have to look at the overall numbers to get a representative idea. or anyone could just say ya gggs a bigger name, like i did

gggs easily at or above wilders level for us tv, attendence, and purses. golovkins done 1m+ many times (just did 1.3m vs a trash opponent) and even close to 20k attendence, not just with canelo either. wilders not mainstream at all in the us so it comes down to boxing ppl, and ggg is every bit the star in the us that wilder is

Taansend wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 06:38

gilgamesh wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 23:32

Taansend wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 23:29

True. Mayweather did huge damage to the sports credibility. It's barely even a minor sport any more.

Most of my younger male colleagues can name 5-10 UFC or MMA fighters, very few can name three active moxers.

I don't think Mayweather did any damage to the sports credibility, if he was such a downer to the sport he wouldn't have been the draw he was. The lack of a notable American Heavyweight Champion for more or less the last 2 decades probably has been one of the bigger problems facing the popularity of American Boxing.

Also a factor but I know of plenty of people who bought into the Mayweather hype, watched one or more of his fights - at a bar or a party - and left thinking "boxing is shite now. I'm sticking to MMA".

As technically brilliant as he was his in the ring style turned away a generation of casual/new fans.

Boxers in America now are suffering the effects of his legacy.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 11:30

Taansend wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 06:38

gilgamesh wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 23:32

I don't think Mayweather did any damage to the sports credibility, if he was such a downer to the sport he wouldn't have been the draw he was. The lack of a notable American Heavyweight Champion for more or less the last 2 decades probably has been one of the bigger problems facing the popularity of American Boxing.

Also a factor but I know of plenty of people who bought into the Mayweather hype, watched one or more of his fights - at a bar or a party - and left thinking "boxing is shite now. I'm sticking to MMA".

As technically brilliant as he was his in the ring style turned away a generation of casual/new fans.

Boxers in America now are suffering the effects of his legacy.

If you only ever saw 1 fight in a bar you were never a fan in the first place. You're just a rube that easily buys into hypejobs, and can get sold something you know nothing about.