BitPlayer wrote: ↑15 Jun 2018, 17:54
Someone on the Joe Joyce undercard got checked out by the doctor after the break. As I kept saying, it was nothing abnormal.
It was timing of the Dr’s intervention, not the premise. And yes, it was abnormal. Wilder was on Queer Street at the time.
For the record, Ortiz being 40 years plus had shot his load trying to finish him and even without the Dr’s intervention, I still think Wilder would’ve won. My respect for Wilder after the Ortiz win tripled.
"I still think Wilder would’ve won"
You can think whatever you want to, but the referee jumped in and stopped the fight in round seven and that was the end of it. Ortiz won. You don't jump in and stop a fight when your man is in trouble, give him time to recover, and then say, ok now we can start fighting again.
Ungebf'g believable!
Re: To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz
Posted: 16 Jun 2018, 04:58
by SFW
That is absolute fornicating bullshit, pathetic. Not once was the fight signaled over in the 7th. The ROUND was, dummies. Embarrassing how diluted that lie was.
Re: To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz
Doctor and ref diving in right in the middle of the action when the house fighter is in big trouble and rubber legged...to examine him!...at a point in the fight when every split second counts! Give me a f'g break.
That fight should have been awarded to Ortiz or at least NC and an immediate rematch ordered. Crooked f'g boxing!
Except the part where that didn't actually happen. The ref waved Wilder to get checked immediately before any fighting started or either even came close to throwing a punch.
Bull. You are a liar.
This guy isn't the only one trying to pull this "that didn't actually happen" crap. I go on YouTube trying to find a full uncut vid of Ortiz-Wilder round 7 and find that round 7 has been censored out of most of the videos. This is the best I could find. It stops abruptly when the referee intervenes and appears to stop the fight in favor of Ortiz.
Are people that f'g stupid that they can be told that what they saw with their own eyes so recently "didn't actually happen" and believe it? I guess so.
Abruptly stops the fight? You mean the round ends, look at the clock it's at zero, The ref just made sure there was no punches AFTER the bell.
Re: To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz
BitPlayer wrote: ↑15 Jun 2018, 17:54
Someone on the Joe Joyce undercard got checked out by the doctor after the break. As I kept saying, it was nothing abnormal.
It was timing of the Dr’s intervention, not the premise. And yes, it was abnormal. Wilder was on Queer Street at the time.
For the record, Ortiz being 40 years plus had shot his load trying to finish him and even without the Dr’s intervention, I still think Wilder would’ve won. My respect for Wilder after the Ortiz win tripled.
If he hadn't taken solid punches there'd have been no point doing it, it's to check fo concusion, and make sure it's safe to continue. The guy they done it for on the Joyce undercard was the away fighter and in far worse shape than Wilder.
If Ortiz was hurt and they done the same thing people would be talking about how they were desprately trying to pull Ortiz out.
Re: To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz
Except the part where that didn't actually happen. The ref waved Wilder to get checked immediately before any fighting started or either even came close to throwing a punch.
Bull. You are a liar.
This guy isn't the only one trying to pull this "that didn't actually happen" crap. I go on YouTube trying to find a full uncut vid of Ortiz-Wilder round 7 and find that round 7 has been censored out of most of the videos. This is the best I could find. It stops abruptly when the referee intervenes and appears to stop the fight in favor of Ortiz.
Are people that f'g stupid that they can be told that what they saw with their own eyes so recently "didn't actually happen" and believe it? I guess so.
Abruptly stops the fight? You mean the round ends, look at the clock it's at zero, The ref just made sure there was no punches AFTER the bell.
You're right about that. It WAS the end if the round. O K, that explains the ref diving in. But you said before that it was "before fighting started". When exactly was it that the ring doctor told the ref to stop the fight to examine Wilder? Too bad there doesn't seem to be an uncut vid of this fight, at least I couldn't find one before.
Re: To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz
This guy isn't the only one trying to pull this "that didn't actually happen" crap. I go on YouTube trying to find a full uncut vid of Ortiz-Wilder round 7 and find that round 7 has been censored out of most of the videos. This is the best I could find. It stops abruptly when the referee intervenes and appears to stop the fight in favor of Ortiz.
Are people that f'g stupid that they can be told that what they saw with their own eyes so recently "didn't actually happen" and believe it? I guess so.
Abruptly stops the fight? You mean the round ends, look at the clock it's at zero, The ref just made sure there was no punches AFTER the bell.
You're right about that. It WAS the end if the round. O K, that explains the ref diving in. But you said before that it was "before fighting started". When exactly was it that the ring doctor told the ref to stop the fight to examine Wilder? Too bad there doesn't seem to be an uncut vid of this fight, at least I couldn't find one before.
I'll answer my own question - now i remember - it was at the beginning of round eight - not between rounds but after the round had started - so in that respect you were right - BUT the intention was to give Wilder more time to recover, and it did!
Re: To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz
This guy isn't the only one trying to pull this "that didn't actually happen" crap. I go on YouTube trying to find a full uncut vid of Ortiz-Wilder round 7 and find that round 7 has been censored out of most of the videos. This is the best I could find. It stops abruptly when the referee intervenes and appears to stop the fight in favor of Ortiz.
Are people that f'g stupid that they can be told that what they saw with their own eyes so recently "didn't actually happen" and believe it? I guess so.
Abruptly stops the fight? You mean the round ends, look at the clock it's at zero, The ref just made sure there was no punches AFTER the bell.
You're right about that. It WAS the end if the round. O K, that explains the ref diving in. But you said before that it was "before fighting started". When exactly was it that the ring doctor told the ref to stop the fight to examine Wilder? Too bad there doesn't seem to be an uncut vid of this fight, at least I couldn't find one before.
Re: To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz
BitPlayer wrote: ↑16 Jun 2018, 05:16
Abruptly stops the fight? You mean the round ends, look at the clock it's at zero, The ref just made sure there was no punches AFTER the bell.
You're right about that. It WAS the end if the round. O K, that explains the ref diving in. But you said before that it was "before fighting started". When exactly was it that the ring doctor told the ref to stop the fight to examine Wilder? Too bad there doesn't seem to be an uncut vid of this fight, at least I couldn't find one before.
I'll answer my own question - now i remember - it was at the beginning of round eight - not between rounds but after the round had started - so in that respect you were right - BUT the intention was to give Wilder more time to recover, and it did!
So I guess the 1-1 Nigerian Eric Nwankwo was also backed against the 8-0 British prospect in Britain, because the same thing happened to him. It's the current NYSAC rules.
Re: To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz
Posted: 16 Jun 2018, 10:41
by ldlamb
They did the same thing on the undercard of the recent Mike Lee fight.
Clearly letting the corner have their minute and then letting the doctor check things out is the new standard...there was no special treatment for Wilder.
Re: To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz
You're right about that. It WAS the end if the round. O K, that explains the ref diving in. But you said before that it was "before fighting started". When exactly was it that the ring doctor told the ref to stop the fight to examine Wilder? Too bad there doesn't seem to be an uncut vid of this fight, at least I couldn't find one before.
I'll answer my own question - now i remember - it was at the beginning of round eight - not between rounds but after the round had started - so in that respect you were right - BUT the intention was to give Wilder more time to recover, and it did!
So I guess the 1-1 Nigerian Eric Nwankwo was also backed against the 8-0 British prospect in Britain, because the same thing happened to him. It's the current NYSAC rules.
Don't know anything about that Nigerian's fight and it's not on youtube... but if its a new NYSAC rule why was it being invoked in Britain? Yet another tool for them to make boxing even more corrupt than it already is, for them to invoke when they feel the house fighter needs some more time to recuperate between rounds. I'd like to see the wording of that rule . Where is it, please.
Re: To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz
Posted: 16 Jun 2018, 14:43
by Ilya Muromets
Bitplayer - The video you posted is "blocked in your country", USA. I was going to time it to see exactly how much extra time they gave Wilder to recover in round eight. Of course every second counts in such situations.
Re: To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz
Doctor and ref diving in right in the middle of the action when the house fighter is in big trouble and rubber legged...to examine him!...at a point in the fight when every split second counts! Give me a f'g break.
That fight should have been awarded to Ortiz or at least NC and an immediate rematch ordered. Crooked f'g boxing!
Except the part where that didn't actually happen. The ref waved Wilder to get checked immediately before any fighting started or either even came close to throwing a punch.
Bull. You are a liar.
This guy isn't the only one trying to pull this "that didn't actually happen" crap. I go on YouTube trying to find a full uncut vid of Ortiz-Wilder round 7 and find that round 7 has been censored out of most of the videos. This is the best I could find. It stops abruptly when the referee intervenes and appears to stop the fight in favor of Ortiz.
Are people that f'g stupid that they can be told that what they saw with their own eyes so recently "didn't actually happen" and believe it? I guess so.
your're welcome.
Re: To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz
gilgamesh wrote: ↑15 Jun 2018, 17:55
It definitely was abnormal. Not sure if it was "special treatment" necessarily or just bad judgment, but it's not something I've seen often, and it came at a crucial moment that allowed him more recovery time.
They said it's the current NYSAC rules. I've seen it before and since in various fights on undergrads etc. including both getting checked after the break during some wars.
can you elaborate on that rule? i thought
such examinations happen during the 1min
break, not after.
Re: To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz
Posted: 16 Jun 2018, 15:56
by ldlamb
Closest thing:
§210.23 Intermission between rounds. There shall be a 60 second intermission between rounds, unless otherwise directed or authorized by the commission. The referee, at the request of the ringside physician, may extend this intermission, if necessary to examine a participant, for up to 30 additional seconds.
Re: To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz
gilgamesh wrote: ↑15 Jun 2018, 17:55
It definitely was abnormal. Not sure if it was "special treatment" necessarily or just bad judgment, but it's not something I've seen often, and it came at a crucial moment that allowed him more recovery time.
They said it's the current NYSAC rules. I've seen it before and since in various fights on undergrads etc. including both getting checked after the break during some wars.
can you elaborate on that rule? i thought
such examinations happen during the 1min
break, not after.
It's just what I heard from the commentators
Re: To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz
§210.23 Intermission between rounds. There shall be a 60 second intermission between rounds, unless otherwise directed or authorized by the commission. The referee, at the request of the ringside physician, may extend this intermission, if necessary to examine a participant, for up to 30 additional seconds.
That is not what happened in the Ortiz -Wilder fight. The intermission was not extended. As i recall the ref stopped the fight, reportedly at the behest of the ringside doctor, after the 8th round had already begun. Then they brought Wilder to the other side of the ring where the alleged doctor "examined" him. How much time did that consume from the moment round 8 was stopped until it was resumed?
Re: To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz
They said it's the current NYSAC rules. I've seen it before and since in various fights on undergrads etc. including both getting checked after the break during some wars.
can you elaborate on that rule? i thought
such examinations happen during the 1min
break, not after.
It's just what I heard from the commentators
Boxing commentators nowadays mostly just run cover for whatever skullduggery is transpiring and talk up the house fighter. They Sometimes they might express their shock at a ridiculous decision or something, but if they protest too much or too loudly they will lose their job.
Re: To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz
can you elaborate on that rule? i thought
such examinations happen during the 1min
break, not after.
It's just what I heard from the commentators
Boxing commentators nowadays mostly just run cover for whatever skullduggery is transpiring and talk up the house fighter. They Sometimes they might express their shock at a decision or something, but if they protest too much they will lose their job, like what happened to George Foreman after the Oquendo-Byrd robbery.
Re: To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz
Boxing commentators nowadays mostly just run cover for whatever skullduggery is transpiring and talk up the house fighter. They Sometimes they might express their shock at a decision or something, but if they protest too much they will lose their job, like what happened to George Foreman after the Oquendo-Byrd robbery.
Yes, of course it's a "conspiracy". Do youknow what the word conspiracy means? When two or more people plan something that is a "conspiracy", the word usually having negative connotations.
There, i just taught you more than you ever learned in school!
Re: To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz
Boxing commentators nowadays mostly just run cover for whatever skullduggery is transpiring and talk up the house fighter. They Sometimes they might express their shock at a decision or something, but if they protest too much they will lose their job, like what happened to George Foreman after the Oquendo-Byrd robbery.
Yes, of course it's a "conspiracy". Do youknow what the word conspiracy means? When two or more people plan something that is a "conspiracy", the word usually having negative connotations.
There, i just taught you more than you ever learned in school!
Or maybe I'm taking the piss out of you.
Re: To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz
§210.23 Intermission between rounds. There shall be a 60 second intermission between rounds, unless otherwise directed or authorized by the commission. The referee, at the request of the ringside physician, may extend this intermission, if necessary to examine a participant, for up to 30 additional seconds.
That is not what happened in the Ortiz -Wilder fight. The intermission was not extended. As i recall the ref stopped the fight, reportedly at the behest of the ringside doctor, after the 8th round had already begun. Then they brought Wilder to the other side of the ring where the alleged doctor "examined" him. How much time did that consume from the moment round 8 was stopped until it was resumed?
Whatever you think happened, what we are telling you is that for whatever reason boxing commissions have clearly told doctors to examine fighters after their corner has had a chance to work on them....because it happens all the time now, not just in the Wilder fight.
But you want to live in this conspiracy fueled fantasy world....so have at it.
Re: To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz
§210.23 Intermission between rounds. There shall be a 60 second intermission between rounds, unless otherwise directed or authorized by the commission. The referee, at the request of the ringside physician, may extend this intermission, if necessary to examine a participant, for up to 30 additional seconds.
That is not what happened in the Ortiz -Wilder fight. The intermission was not extended. As i recall the ref stopped the fight, reportedly at the behest of the ringside doctor, after the 8th round had already begun. Then they brought Wilder to the other side of the ring where the alleged doctor "examined" him. How much time did that consume from the moment round 8 was stopped until it was resumed?
Whatever you think happened, what we are telling you is that for whatever reason boxing commissions have clearly told doctors to examine fighters after their corner has had a chance to work on them....because it happens all the time now, not just in the Wilder fight.
But you want to live in this conspiracy fueled fantasy world....so have at it.
"But you want to live in this conspiracy fueled fantasy world...."
WTF r u going on about? We're talking about a very tangible event here.
"boxing commissions have clearly told doctors to examine fighters after their corner has had a chance to work on them....because it happens all the time now, not just in the Wilder fight."
Where does it happen all the time? I've never seen it before and I've been around for a while. "After their corner has had a chance to work on them" means quite a different thing than stopping the next round to give the house fighter - the fighter the money guys want to win because they are counting heavily on cashing out on him in a big Joshua fight - more time to recuperate because he's still not looking good from the round before.
R u guys deliberately being jerks because u r goofing on the internet, or r u just naturally stupid?
Re: To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz
Posted: 16 Jun 2018, 22:03
by punchoutsb
Regardless of the topic at hand, I always get a kick out of the crowd that seemingly believes boxing is above shady and/or illegal behavior. It's both funny and sad at the same time.
Re: To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz
Posted: 16 Jun 2018, 22:19
by Ilya Muromets
punchoutsb wrote: ↑16 Jun 2018, 22:03
Regardless of the topic at hand, I always get a kick out of the crowd that seemingly believes boxing is above shady and/or illegal behavior. It's both funny and sad at the same time.
Hey if u can't trust guys like Blinky Palermo, Frankie Carbo, Bob Arum, 50 Cent Jackson, Al Haymon, and Don King, who can u trust?
Re: To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz
