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sharpei_louis wrote: ↑22 Jul 2018, 16:21 The bandwagon is well and truly rolling.

Joshua too big and hits too hard v Usyk. He boxed well last night against a very one dimensional Gassiev, but the only one who was rocked was Usyk when one right hand landed. If he were to meet Joshua they'd trade at some point and it's over for Usyk.

Have to agree. Disappointing to see Sanchez unable to suggest any changes in tactics for the game Gassiev. Whatever prep they worked on was worthless.

Usyk himself is talking about Bellew. I doubt whether the enormous challenge of facing Joshua is even on his radar.

I will say that Bellew's win over Makabu was insane. It is worth fighting him at CW for Usyk. Crazy that Bellew just keeps winning. He was a gigantic underdog against Makabu and Haye (x2).

I'd cry if he somehow manages to stop Usyk.

the odds for the makabu fight were very close

jamamb wrote: ↑23 Jul 2018, 01:31 the odds for the makabu fight were very close

I rarely follow bookie odds. Talking about word on boxing forums. Only people's opinions I trust (not this site, mind you).

It's absolutely absurd to think that Usyk would walk through Joshua with such ease. Joshua is a genuine HW, not a CW reincarnate!

The punches which land in the CW division don't even come close to the damage which would be inflicted by a genuine puncher in the HW division.

Usyk's only chance would be to avoid the fight for 12 rounds and try steal a points victory on the back foot, but let's be honest here, that'd probably only result in a wide points decision for Joshua.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2018, 08:10 It's absolutely absurd to think that Usyk would walk through Joshua with such ease. Joshua is a genuine HW, not a CW reincarnate!

The punches which land in the CW division don't even come close to the damage which would be inflicted by a genuine puncher in the HW division.

Usyk's only chance would be to avoid the fight for 12 rounds and try steal a points victory on the back foot, but let's be honest here, that'd probably only result in a wide points decision for Joshua.

Completely spurious. Charr got more brutally KO'd by Briedis than by Povetkin and that was Povetkin the HW KO-artist. Dude KO'd Takam during that streak. Not even Joshua could stop Takam brutally like Povetkin did.

Usyk's chin will more than be able to take any HW's power. Guy took brutal punchers from two of the hardest hitters currently in Gassiev and Briedis.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑23 Jul 2018, 08:27

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2018, 08:10 It's absolutely absurd to think that Usyk would walk through Joshua with such ease. Joshua is a genuine HW, not a CW reincarnate!

The punches which land in the CW division don't even come close to the damage which would be inflicted by a genuine puncher in the HW division.

Usyk's only chance would be to avoid the fight for 12 rounds and try steal a points victory on the back foot, but let's be honest here, that'd probably only result in a wide points decision for Joshua.

Completely spurious. Charr got more brutally KO'd by Briedis than by Povetkin and that was Povetkin the HW KO-artist. Dude KO'd Takam during that streak. Not even Joshua could stop Takam brutally like Povetkin did.

Usyk's chin will more than be able to take any HW's power. Guy took brutal punchers from two of the hardest hitters currently in Gassiev and Briedis.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑23 Jul 2018, 08:27

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2018, 08:10 It's absolutely absurd to think that Usyk would walk through Joshua with such ease. Joshua is a genuine HW, not a CW reincarnate!

The punches which land in the CW division don't even come close to the damage which would be inflicted by a genuine puncher in the HW division.

Usyk's only chance would be to avoid the fight for 12 rounds and try steal a points victory on the back foot, but let's be honest here, that'd probably only result in a wide points decision for Joshua.

Completely spurious. Charr got more brutally KO'd by Briedis than by Povetkin and that was Povetkin the HW KO-artist. Dude KO'd Takam during that streak. Not even Joshua could stop Takam brutally like Povetkin did.

Usyk's chin will more than be able to take any HW's power. Guy took brutal punchers from two of the hardest hitters currently in Gassiev and Briedis.

What terrible logic.

Hardest hitters currently are Gassiev and Briedis? What on earth are you basing that on? The hardest hitters are Wilder and Joshua, and their records support that.

And I'll assume that you didn't see Takam's face after the Joshua fight. I would suggest how Takam's face was rearranged, Joshua is not as feather fisted as you think.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑23 Jul 2018, 08:27 ......
Usyk's chin will more than be able to take any HW's power. Guy took brutal punchers from two of the hardest hitters currently in Gassiev and Briedis.

..that certainly remains to be seen. Regarding Briedis, I for one was less than impressed with his latest fight against nobody, in fact I was rather disappointed to the point of starting to question his punch..

lol ppl act as if ajs just some run of the mill second tier champ, rather then olympic gold winner, unified champ, and 21-0 (20) conqueror of the best hw opposition anyone in the division has beat

hes also 6'6/245/82 to usyks 6'3/low 200s/78

usyks a great cw but ajs too far a step, usyk also wont be carrying a big punch up with him. certain posters go on about parker stinging aj to make him tentative, but usyk wont be doing that

usyk can be a pulev or parker leve top 10l hw but hes not beating aj

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 02:44

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑23 Jul 2018, 08:27

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2018, 08:10 It's absolutely absurd to think that Usyk would walk through Joshua with such ease. Joshua is a genuine HW, not a CW reincarnate!

The punches which land in the CW division don't even come close to the damage which would be inflicted by a genuine puncher in the HW division.

Usyk's only chance would be to avoid the fight for 12 rounds and try steal a points victory on the back foot, but let's be honest here, that'd probably only result in a wide points decision for Joshua.

Completely spurious. Charr got more brutally KO'd by Briedis than by Povetkin and that was Povetkin the HW KO-artist. Dude KO'd Takam during that streak. Not even Joshua could stop Takam brutally like Povetkin did.

Usyk's chin will more than be able to take any HW's power. Guy took brutal punchers from two of the hardest hitters currently in Gassiev and Briedis.

What terrible logic.

Hardest hitters currently are Gassiev and Briedis? What on earth are you basing that on? The hardest hitters are Wilder and Joshua, and their records support that.

And I'll assume that you didn't see Takam's face after the Joshua fight. I would suggest how Takam's face was rearranged, Joshua is not as feather fisted as you think.

Stoppage percentage =/= power. Since most are premature stoppages or standing stoppages.

In terms of concussive power (putting opponent's to sleep), Gassiev and Breidis have equal, or even greater power than AJ or Wilder.

AJ has never knocked out a single opponent like Gassiev knocked out Jordan Shimmell with a single punch.

AJ has never knocked out a single opponent as brutally as Breidis knocked out Manuel Charr.

Takam's face was rearranged by Joshua. But Takam was literally put to sleep by fat blown up cruiser weight / light heavyweight in Alexander Povetkin. So go figure!

Deontay Wilder failed to even drop Johann Duhaupas in 11 rounds. Fat, blown up light heavyweight / cruiser weight Alexander Povetkin put that same Duhaupas to sleep. So again, go figure!

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 04:58

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 02:44

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑23 Jul 2018, 08:27

Completely spurious. Charr got more brutally KO'd by Briedis than by Povetkin and that was Povetkin the HW KO-artist. Dude KO'd Takam during that streak. Not even Joshua could stop Takam brutally like Povetkin did.

Usyk's chin will more than be able to take any HW's power. Guy took brutal punchers from two of the hardest hitters currently in Gassiev and Briedis.

What terrible logic.

Hardest hitters currently are Gassiev and Briedis? What on earth are you basing that on? The hardest hitters are Wilder and Joshua, and their records support that.

And I'll assume that you didn't see Takam's face after the Joshua fight. I would suggest how Takam's face was rearranged, Joshua is not as feather fisted as you think.

Stoppage percentage =/= power. Since most are premature stoppages or standing stoppages.

In terms of concussive power (putting opponent's to sleep), Gassiev and Breidis have equal, or even greater power than AJ or Wilder.

AJ has never knocked out a single opponent like Gassiev knocked out Jordan Shimmell with a single punch.

AJ has never knocked out a single opponent as brutally as Breidis knocked out Manuel Charr.

Takam's face was rearranged by Joshua. But Takam was literally put to sleep by fat blown up cruiser weight / light heavyweight in Alexander Povetkin. So go figure!

Deontay Wilder failed to even drop Johann Duhaupas in 11 rounds. Fat, blown up light heavyweight / cruiser weight Alexander Povetkin put that same Duhaupas to sleep. So again, go figure!

The degree of delusion on this board at times is bemusing.

1) Since when is the number of people knocked unconscious the independent factor in defining power? Not to say the actual landing of concussive punches, which actually results in a stoppage.

2) I'm of the belief that if Joshua was fighting CWs, there would be a higher degree of 'unconscious' fighters. Unless of course the smaller the fighter gets, the more punch resistance they gain...

A quick unsighted punch which lands on the right point (chin, mouth/nose/ temples) can knock out anyone. Often it's those swiping punches that strike across the centre of the face that mean lights out.

However for sheer heavy handedness the obvious indicator is the visible damage inflicted. Pavlik at times seemed to look like he was destroying his hapless opponents features.

I think most would prefer a quick lights out by someone with technique like Gassiev than to be bludgeoned into pieces by the sheer power of Wilder/ Joshua.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑21 Jul 2018, 18:35

marvelous marv wrote: ↑21 Jul 2018, 18:33 If Usyk has a chin that can take a world class heavyweight punch then yeh he could potentially beat Joshua. Still need the answer to that question though.

Gassiev hits as hard as a world class HW, so does Briedis. You got the answer twice over, but you don't want to admit it.

lol no they don't

AJ would get frustrated, close the gap, make Usyk look tiny and throw him around like a rag doll. I'm a huge Usyk fan and think he's a far superior boxer but he would get stopped by AJ or Wilder

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 04:58

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 02:44

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑23 Jul 2018, 08:27

Completely spurious. Charr got more brutally KO'd by Briedis than by Povetkin and that was Povetkin the HW KO-artist. Dude KO'd Takam during that streak. Not even Joshua could stop Takam brutally like Povetkin did.

Usyk's chin will more than be able to take any HW's power. Guy took brutal punchers from two of the hardest hitters currently in Gassiev and Briedis.

What terrible logic.

Hardest hitters currently are Gassiev and Briedis? What on earth are you basing that on? The hardest hitters are Wilder and Joshua, and their records support that.

And I'll assume that you didn't see Takam's face after the Joshua fight. I would suggest how Takam's face was rearranged, Joshua is not as feather fisted as you think.

Stoppage percentage =/= power. Since most are premature stoppages or standing stoppages.

In terms of concussive power (putting opponent's to sleep), Gassiev and Breidis have equal, or even greater power than AJ or Wilder.

AJ has never knocked out a single opponent like Gassiev knocked out Jordan Shimmell with a single punch.

AJ has never knocked out a single opponent as brutally as Breidis knocked out Manuel Charr.

Takam's face was rearranged by Joshua. But Takam was literally put to sleep by fat blown up cruiser weight / light heavyweight in Alexander Povetkin. So go figure!

Deontay Wilder failed to even drop Johann Duhaupas in 11 rounds. Fat, blown up light heavyweight / cruiser weight Alexander Povetkin put that same Duhaupas to sleep. So again, go figure!

You're seriously arguing Bredis' power over AJ and Wilder? Go take a long nap ffs

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 08:38

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 04:58

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 02:44

What terrible logic.

Hardest hitters currently are Gassiev and Briedis? What on earth are you basing that on? The hardest hitters are Wilder and Joshua, and their records support that.

And I'll assume that you didn't see Takam's face after the Joshua fight. I would suggest how Takam's face was rearranged, Joshua is not as feather fisted as you think.

Stoppage percentage =/= power. Since most are premature stoppages or standing stoppages.

In terms of concussive power (putting opponent's to sleep), Gassiev and Breidis have equal, or even greater power than AJ or Wilder.

AJ has never knocked out a single opponent like Gassiev knocked out Jordan Shimmell with a single punch.

AJ has never knocked out a single opponent as brutally as Breidis knocked out Manuel Charr.

Takam's face was rearranged by Joshua. But Takam was literally put to sleep by fat blown up cruiser weight / light heavyweight in Alexander Povetkin. So go figure!

Deontay Wilder failed to even drop Johann Duhaupas in 11 rounds. Fat, blown up light heavyweight / cruiser weight Alexander Povetkin put that same Duhaupas to sleep. So again, go figure!

You're seriously arguing Bredis' power over AJ and Wilder? Go take a long nap ffs

Considering punching power, Joshua and Wilder are among the top 5, absolutely. Period.
After Wlad and Haye had been retired, Gassiev might be among the top 10, Briedis, too.

I notice someone saying 'Usyk can do a Parker' which is to say - stay out of trouble and lose a decision.
Or he could engage and get stopped. They are the two options.
We can talk about Gassiev or Briedis' power but shouldn't we mention Usyk's? He's not got enough to keep a Joshua or Wilder off him, and those guys hit harder than the cruisers no matter what tripe is being theorised.

sharpei_louis wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 15:43 I notice someone saying 'Usyk can do a Parker' which is to say - stay out of trouble and lose a decision.
Or he could engage and get stopped. They are the two options.
We can talk about Gassiev or Briedis' power but shouldn't we mention Usyk's? He's not got enough to keep a Joshua or Wilder off him, and those guys hit harder than the cruisers no matter what tripe is being theorised.

He's better, faster, more athletic than Parker. He'll Gassiev Joshua.

ValMar wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 15:18

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 08:38

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 04:58

Stoppage percentage =/= power. Since most are premature stoppages or standing stoppages.

In terms of concussive power (putting opponent's to sleep), Gassiev and Breidis have equal, or even greater power than AJ or Wilder.

AJ has never knocked out a single opponent like Gassiev knocked out Jordan Shimmell with a single punch.

AJ has never knocked out a single opponent as brutally as Breidis knocked out Manuel Charr.

Takam's face was rearranged by Joshua. But Takam was literally put to sleep by fat blown up cruiser weight / light heavyweight in Alexander Povetkin. So go figure!

Deontay Wilder failed to even drop Johann Duhaupas in 11 rounds. Fat, blown up light heavyweight / cruiser weight Alexander Povetkin put that same Duhaupas to sleep. So again, go figure!

You're seriously arguing Bredis' power over AJ and Wilder? Go take a long nap ffs

Considering punching power, Joshua and Wilder are among the top 5, absolutely. Period.
After Wlad and Haye had been retired, Gassiev might be among the top 10, Briedis, too.

You're joking, right. Gassiev and Briedis hit just as hard as any HW, maybe harder. Briedis brutally KO'd Charr, and I wouldn't doubt Gassiev can move up and KO top Heavies.

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 08:38

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 04:58

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 02:44

What terrible logic.

Hardest hitters currently are Gassiev and Briedis? What on earth are you basing that on? The hardest hitters are Wilder and Joshua, and their records support that.

And I'll assume that you didn't see Takam's face after the Joshua fight. I would suggest how Takam's face was rearranged, Joshua is not as feather fisted as you think.

Stoppage percentage =/= power. Since most are premature stoppages or standing stoppages.

In terms of concussive power (putting opponent's to sleep), Gassiev and Breidis have equal, or even greater power than AJ or Wilder.

AJ has never knocked out a single opponent like Gassiev knocked out Jordan Shimmell with a single punch.

AJ has never knocked out a single opponent as brutally as Breidis knocked out Manuel Charr.

Takam's face was rearranged by Joshua. But Takam was literally put to sleep by fat blown up cruiser weight / light heavyweight in Alexander Povetkin. So go figure!

Deontay Wilder failed to even drop Johann Duhaupas in 11 rounds. Fat, blown up light heavyweight / cruiser weight Alexander Povetkin put that same Duhaupas to sleep. So again, go figure!

You're seriously arguing Bredis' power over AJ and Wilder? Go take a long nap ffs

You need to get informed instead of just spewing garbage.

greg wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 04:09

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑23 Jul 2018, 08:27 ......
Usyk's chin will more than be able to take any HW's power. Guy took brutal punchers from two of the hardest hitters currently in Gassiev and Briedis.

..that certainly remains to be seen. Regarding Briedis, I for one was less than impressed with his latest fight against nobody, in fact I was rather disappointed to the point of starting to question his punch..

Seriously, less impressed with a guy that came to survive and lost every single round!? You may as well say the same about any top fighter that has ever lived. Going rounds with crappy opponents who come to survive doesn't mean anything at all.

Briedis is a proven puncher and so is Gassiev. Only reason anyone would deny it is if they have an obvious agenda.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 02:44

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑23 Jul 2018, 08:27

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2018, 08:10 It's absolutely absurd to think that Usyk would walk through Joshua with such ease. Joshua is a genuine HW, not a CW reincarnate!

The punches which land in the CW division don't even come close to the damage which would be inflicted by a genuine puncher in the HW division.

Usyk's only chance would be to avoid the fight for 12 rounds and try steal a points victory on the back foot, but let's be honest here, that'd probably only result in a wide points decision for Joshua.

Completely spurious. Charr got more brutally KO'd by Briedis than by Povetkin and that was Povetkin the HW KO-artist. Dude KO'd Takam during that streak. Not even Joshua could stop Takam brutally like Povetkin did.

Usyk's chin will more than be able to take any HW's power. Guy took brutal punchers from two of the hardest hitters currently in Gassiev and Briedis.

What terrible logic.

Hardest hitters currently are Gassiev and Briedis? What on earth are you basing that on? The hardest hitters are Wilder and Joshua, and their records support that.

And I'll assume that you didn't see Takam's face after the Joshua fight. I would suggest how Takam's face was rearranged, Joshua is not as feather fisted as you think.

Takam's face was rearranged? Povetkin put him to sleep! Briedis put a guy to sleep that took a younger, prime Povetkin a while to stop.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 20:35

ValMar wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 15:18

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 08:38

You're seriously arguing Bredis' power over AJ and Wilder? Go take a long nap ffs

Considering punching power, Joshua and Wilder are among the top 5, absolutely. Period.
After Wlad and Haye had been retired, Gassiev might be among the top 10, Briedis, too.

You're joking, right. Gassiev and Briedis hit just as hard as any HW, maybe harder. Briedis brutally KO'd Charr, and I wouldn't doubt Gassiev can move up and KO top Heavies.

I am afraid you did not understand me. I wrote : Gassiev might be among the top 10, Briedis, too.

I really don't think Usyk is likely to beat Joshua, although I give him a better chance than anyone except Wilder, ... and maybe Hrgovic before too long.

Briedis and Gassiev are exceptional punchers for cruiserweights, Joshua and even more so, Wilder are exceptional punchers for heavyweights. Not only does a 240lb big hitter punch harder than a 200lb big hitter, but Joshua has height and reach and the boxing skills, while inferior to Usyk's, which will enable him to find Usyk with those big punches.

Usyk has a very good chin but Gassiev hurt him. Even assuming Gassiev has comparable power to Joshua which I doubt, Gassiev is not an Olympic gold medalist with height and reach advantage with the skills to exploit those advantages. Gassiev looked crude and one dimensional but he did find Usyk's chin once or twice. Joshua will find it more frequently and if he hurts Usyk, he will be on him firing combinations.

I am a huge fan of Usyk but even at cruiserweight he isn't a big puncher. Joshua is often wary of his opponent's power and boxes with great caution as a result (Wlad, Takam, and especially Parker to name but three) but he will not need to exercise caution against Usyk. If you can't make Joshua wary of your punching power then you have a very serious problem.

If the Parker fight didn't convince you, then Povetkin should give us another indication of the kind of problem Usyk is likely to face, being of similar stature/ physicality.

ValMar wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 15:18

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 08:38

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 04:58

Stoppage percentage =/= power. Since most are premature stoppages or standing stoppages.

In terms of concussive power (putting opponent's to sleep), Gassiev and Breidis have equal, or even greater power than AJ or Wilder.

AJ has never knocked out a single opponent like Gassiev knocked out Jordan Shimmell with a single punch.

AJ has never knocked out a single opponent as brutally as Breidis knocked out Manuel Charr.

Takam's face was rearranged by Joshua. But Takam was literally put to sleep by fat blown up cruiser weight / light heavyweight in Alexander Povetkin. So go figure!

Deontay Wilder failed to even drop Johann Duhaupas in 11 rounds. Fat, blown up light heavyweight / cruiser weight Alexander Povetkin put that same Duhaupas to sleep. So again, go figure!

You're seriously arguing Bredis' power over AJ and Wilder? Go take a long nap ffs

Considering punching power, Joshua and Wilder are among the top 5, absolutely. Period.
After Wlad and Haye had been retired, Gassiev might be among the top 10, Briedis, too.

That's the biggest load of bollocks I've ever heard. Whyte, Parker, Dubois, Ortiz, Price, Povetkin all easily hit harder