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Really hard to name just 5. Robinson would have to be there. Then out of Henry Armstrong, Muhammad Ali, Harry Greb, Sam Langford, Ray Leonard, and Ezzard Charles, I could go with any four of them.
Then of course there are many not that far behind them.

Robinson
Langford
Armstrong
Greb
Pep

My problem with Pep is that his victims list is weak compared to the other guys that you mentioned; or Ali, Leonard, and Charles for that matter.
To be rated with them, he needed to have moved up in weight and beat great fighters there. May seem like an unfair criticism, but when you are talking the absolute cream of the crop, you have to do something extra special.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑14 Aug 2018, 15:40 My problem with Pep is that his victims list is weak

Yeah, but he did great against Sandy Saddler.

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The great Willie Pep won over 230 fights and only lost 11. Think about that folks for a moment. He cleaned up the featherweight division in his prime, fighting the very best. And he indeed beat and fought some outstanding lightweights and bantanweights.

Pep in his prime before the plane crash was like 130-1? Something like that. That, folks! Is very impressive!

He was very impressive.
He beat Willie Joyce at lightweight. Any other lightweights that he beat worth mentioning?

1. robinson
2. ali
3. leonard
4. louis
5. duran

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑16 Aug 2018, 10:50 He was very impressive.
He beat Willie Joyce at lightweight. Any other lightweights that he beat worth mentioning?

Paddy DeMarco

OK, count him. So he beat Paddy Demarco and Willie Joyce.

adislav123 wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 20:47 With all respect i guess when you put mayweather in front of ali, charles and louis on that list you made a joke, right? Please say yes!

I have Floyd above Ali, Louis and especially Charles p4p and I'm not a big Floyd fan

paddy chavez wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 11:42

adislav123 wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 20:47 With all respect i guess when you put mayweather in front of ali, charles and louis on that list you made a joke, right? Please say yes!

I have Floyd above Ali, Louis and especially Charles p4p and I'm not a big Floyd fan

I have no problem with anyone having Floyd in their top 5.
I'm not sure where I'd exactly rate him but he's up there with the best ever.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 11:45

paddy chavez wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 11:42

adislav123 wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 20:47 With all respect i guess when you put mayweather in front of ali, charles and louis on that list you made a joke, right? Please say yes!

I have Floyd above Ali, Louis and especially Charles p4p and I'm not a big Floyd fan

I have no problem with anyone having Floyd in their top 5.
I'm not sure where I'd exactly rate him but he's up there with the best ever.

Same here give it 20 years a Floyd will be spoken about as one of the greats

James9753 wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 04:54 What are your top 5 p4p boxers ever, both current and old school fighters allowed.

I'm relatively knew to the modern fight game but hacking back through my aged memory, I remember watching and loving Julio Ceaser Chavez and thinking he was sensational. I know he had an incredible record and just wonder what folks theories are on him and why he wouldn't make a top 10 p4p for example?

Bigears1201 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 12:04

James9753 wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 04:54 What are your top 5 p4p boxers ever, both current and old school fighters allowed.

I'm relatively knew to the modern fight game but hacking back through my aged memory, I remember watching and loving Julio Ceaser Chavez and thinking he was sensational. I know he had an incredible record and just wonder what folks theories are on him and why he wouldn't make a top 10 p4p for example?

Very great fighter, but he was kinda raw in his approach, and could be outboxed. One of the great Mexican fighters, but his legacy is often exaggerated due to years of careful matchmaking. That being said he's still a phenomenal fighter, just not one of the 10 best ever.

I think a lot of people have a bit of a sour taste in their mouth about the fact that he got a draw against Pernell Whitaker when he lost basically every round except for maybe the first 1 or 2.

Boxing history is littered with phenomenal pros.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 12:09 Boxing history is littered with phenomenal pros.

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Bigears1201 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 12:04

James9753 wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 04:54 What are your top 5 p4p boxers ever, both current and old school fighters allowed.

I'm relatively knew to the modern fight game but hacking back through my aged memory, I remember watching and loving Julio Ceaser Chavez and thinking he was sensational. I know he had an incredible record and just wonder what folks theories are on him and why he wouldn't make a top 10 p4p for example?

He was great, and most people really liked his style....but Whitaker... would have a more legit claim than Julio....though folks weren't as thrilled with his cleverness, as they were with Julio's earnest assault. But when placed in the same ring at the same time, one dominated, and the other needed that exact judgment I just described, to make for a very unfair call.

Also...I will admit, Julio kept serious....and Whitaker turned partier, squandered a lot of his respect, and thus most hope for an honest eval in the eyes of the public.

Had he walked the SRL path, he might have earned and been given his proper kudos.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 12:09

Bigears1201 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 12:04

James9753 wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 04:54 What are your top 5 p4p boxers ever, both current and old school fighters allowed.

I'm relatively knew to the modern fight game but hacking back through my aged memory, I remember watching and loving Julio Ceaser Chavez and thinking he was sensational. I know he had an incredible record and just wonder what folks theories are on him and why he wouldn't make a top 10 p4p for example?

Very great fighter, but he was kinda raw in his approach, and could be outboxed. One of the great Mexican fighters, but his legacy is often exaggerated due to years of careful matchmaking. That being said he's still a phenomenal fighter, just not one of the 10 best ever.

I think a lot of people have a bit of a sour taste in their mouth about the fact that he got a draw against Pernell Whitaker when he lost basically every round except for maybe the first 1 or 2.

Boxing history is littered with phenomenal pros.

Chavez is arguably top 20; top 10 is pushing it. He certainly fought some stiffs, but he also beat a lot of quality competition. Unlike some people (like May... cough) , he didn't just wait until a big name was well past it and then fight him.
Whitaker himself is arguably top 20 as well.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 15:54

gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 12:09

Bigears1201 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 12:04

I'm relatively knew to the modern fight game but hacking back through my aged memory, I remember watching and loving Julio Ceaser Chavez and thinking he was sensational. I know he had an incredible record and just wonder what folks theories are on him and why he wouldn't make a top 10 p4p for example?

Very great fighter, but he was kinda raw in his approach, and could be outboxed. One of the great Mexican fighters, but his legacy is often exaggerated due to years of careful matchmaking. That being said he's still a phenomenal fighter, just not one of the 10 best ever.

I think a lot of people have a bit of a sour taste in their mouth about the fact that he got a draw against Pernell Whitaker when he lost basically every round except for maybe the first 1 or 2.

Boxing history is littered with phenomenal pros.

Chavez is arguably top 20; top 10 is pushing it. He certainly fought some stiffs, but he also beat a lot of quality competition. Unlike some people (like May... cough) , he didn't just wait until a big name was well past it and then fight him.
Whitaker himself is arguably top 20 as well.

Mayweather fought a few guys past their best, but he fought a lot of guys at their best too. Mayweather's resume is a lot better than Chavez's.

Maybe I am missing something. I am going to take hard look at both of their records; might even start a thread on it.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 04:24

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑16 Aug 2018, 10:50 He was very impressive.
He beat Willie Joyce at lightweight. Any other lightweights that he beat worth mentioning?

Paddy DeMarco

Pep lost badly to lightweight chanp Sammy Angott, who was MUCH too strong for Pep.

Sandy Saddler KNOCKED OUT FOUR lightweight champions--Joe Brown, Paddy DeMarco and Lauro Salas (twice).

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 10:51 OK, count him. So he beat Paddy Demarco and Willie Joyce.

He also beat lightweight contender Eddie Giosa. Pep is 3-1 vs the lightweights.

Sidney Carton wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 20:13

elmersalsa wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 04:24

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑16 Aug 2018, 10:50 He was very impressive.
He beat Willie Joyce at lightweight. Any other lightweights that he beat worth mentioning?

Paddy DeMarco

Pep lost badly to lightweight chanp Sammy Angott, who was MUCH too strong for Pep.

Sandy Saddler KNOCKED OUT FOUR lightweight champions--Joe Brown, Paddy DeMarco and Lauro Salas (twice).

Paddy beat Sandy twice.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 20:54

Sidney Carton wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 20:13

elmersalsa wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 04:24

Paddy DeMarco

Pep lost badly to lightweight chanp Sammy Angott, who was MUCH too strong for Pep.

Sandy Saddler KNOCKED OUT FOUR lightweight champions--Joe Brown, Paddy DeMarco and Lauro Salas (twice).

Paddy beat Sandy twice.

Saddler KO'd Pep THREE TIMES.

ONCE!!!!!!