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I can not understand the posters who are speaking about 6/10 or 7/10.
AJ is surely one of the five most powerful current HWs, maybe the most powerful.

Evander wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 03:05Joshua's Power ... Rank it 1 to 10


Taking into account Anthony Joshua's last three fights ... where does he stand in terms of power ?

I believe a lot of people underestimate AJ’s power, but if you take a look at his last nine opponents, it’s really difficult to evaluate how heavy-handed he is by comparing the outcome of his bouts to his peers, since NONE of them have a resume anywhere near as good as Joshua’s.

If you take one look at The RING’s ratings at the time AJ faced his last nine opponents

• Gary Cornish (unranked & unbeaten)
• Dillian Whyte (unranked & unbeaten - he is currently rated 5th though)
• Charles Martin (10th, the IBF champ & also unbeaten)
• Dominic Breazeale (unranked & unbeaten - he is currently rated 8th though)
• Eric Molina (unranked)
• Wladimir Klitschko (2nd, a future Hall-of-Famer & only tasted defeat once in the 13 years prior)
• Carlos Takam (unranked, but was the IBF's mandatory & a late substitute opponent for Kubrat Pulev, who was rated 4th by The RING)
• Joseph Parker (3rd, the WBO champ & also unbeaten)
• Alexander Povetkin (3rd)

Excluding himself, AJ has faced four of the current top seven RING-rated heavyweights, beat them all and only failed to stop one of them.

And he’s only had 22 fights (21 by KO), became a world champion 2½ years after his pro debut, unified four titles and has competed in seven world championship bouts during a professional career that began less than five years ago, which is pretty remarkable!

Even the most monstrously-powerful punchers, such as GGG, inevitably find it much more challenging to stop elite-level opposition as opposed to journeymen, so people need to praise Joshua for stopping a really tough opponent like Povetkin in the seventh round, because doing otherwise would be unreasonably harsh!

Good point EO but as much as I agree regarding the superior quality of AJ's opposition, and how much harder it is to knock out top level opposition, I would still regard Wilder as being the harder puncher. I'd say Wilder is a 9 or a 10, Joshua an 8 or a 9.

As I've said before though - my camera might have a shutter speed of 1/5000 whereas yours might be 1/4000. That doesn't mean I'm going to take a better photograph though does it?

Joshua doesn't have to load up like wilder, his execution of punches technically is far superior, if he sits down on his punches, they do damage, even kept quite short! 10/10! Who produces more force of pounds per square-inch teeing of against a pad on a machine with one single punch would have to be measured, i think the difference would be insignificant and definitely irrelevant.

ValMar wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 08:07

KiwiRider wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 05:35 I counted 7 power shots before Povitkin went down.
So 6/10

Yes, and Conan Varvarian had 7/10.

Wlad took a power jab and a straight right to put Povitkin on his bum, Price took one shot to do it, Joshua took 7.
That's how I came about my rating. You don't have to be a dick about it.

Charly zelenoff unbeaten in 250 fights, all brutalizing knockouts!!has the pandemicapocalyptic cyborg 10/10 punching power luis fernandinho12 is babbling shite about, ivan drago! too! but no wait! even he after killing apollo with one bang couldn't follow up and kill rocky, so even drago doesn't qualify for 10/10 k o. Power!

KiwiRider wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 14:51

ValMar wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 08:07

KiwiRider wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 05:35 I counted 7 power shots before Povitkin went down.
So 6/10

Yes, and Conan Varvarian had 7/10.

Wlad took a power jab and a straight right to put Povitkin on his bum, Price took one shot to do it, Joshua took 7.
That's how I came about my rating. You don't have to be a dick about it.

Wlad (and Price) did not hurt Povetkin, Joshua did, there is a great difference.

I say a 9 of a scale of 1 to 10. AJ can hit. I think Wilder hits a little harder. 9.5

brilo33 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 12:31 i would say 6 to 7 . the russian boy was moving all night at 40 years old , i think that is why russian went a little gun hoe dont think he could of kept up that work rate , joshua to me seems like his speed kills

Is "gun hoe" a typo or is that what you think the expression actually is?

ValMar wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 13:10 I can not understand the posters who are speaking about 6/10 or 7/10.
AJ is surely one of the five most powerful current HWs, maybe the most powerful.

Yeah, exactly. By some figuring of these 1 to 10 ratings, you'd think maybe 10% of boxers should be rated a 10. Joshua is easily in the top 0.5%. He is possibly the top 0.1%.

Easy 10 out of 10.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 14:51 Wlad took a power jab and a straight right to put Povitkin on his bum, Price took one shot to do it, Joshua took 7.
That's how I came about my rating. You don't have to be a dick about it.

... So you rate the guy who KO'ed Povetkin as being less powerful than the guys who didn't KO Povetkin. Hhmmm...

ValMar wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 15:28

KiwiRider wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 14:51

ValMar wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 08:07

Yes, and Conan Varvarian had 7/10.

Wlad took a power jab and a straight right to put Povitkin on his bum, Price took one shot to do it, Joshua took 7.
That's how I came about my rating. You don't have to be a dick about it.

Wlad (and Price) did not hurt Povetkin, Joshua did, there is a great difference.

What!?

You need to stay out of this conversation. You have nothing to offer. About as bad as the Un-Enlightened One.

Lackeos wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 21:25

ValMar wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 13:10 I can not understand the posters who are speaking about 6/10 or 7/10.
AJ is surely one of the five most powerful current HWs, maybe the most powerful.

Yeah, exactly. By some figuring of these 1 to 10 ratings, you'd think maybe 10% of boxers should be rated a 10. Joshua is easily in the top 0.5%. He is possibly the top 0.1%.

Easy 10 out of 10.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 14:51 Wlad took a power jab and a straight right to put Povitkin on his bum, Price took one shot to do it, Joshua took 7.
That's how I came about my rating. You don't have to be a dick about it.

... So you rate the guy who KO'ed Povetkin as being less powerful than the guys who didn't KO Povetkin. Hhmmm...

Jokeos is exactly as bad as the Un-Enlightened One. You give no context. Povetkin was older, physically gassed compared to the closer-to-prime one Klitschko almost took out early.

Joshua is not 10 out of 10. Maybe only to fanboys and people who know nothing about the sport except what is written on BoxRec ratings. Step away from the keyboard, Jokeos, you're done for today.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 21:52

Lackeos wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 21:25

ValMar wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 13:10 I can not understand the posters who are speaking about 6/10 or 7/10.
AJ is surely one of the five most powerful current HWs, maybe the most powerful.

Yeah, exactly. By some figuring of these 1 to 10 ratings, you'd think maybe 10% of boxers should be rated a 10. Joshua is easily in the top 0.5%. He is possibly the top 0.1%.

Easy 10 out of 10.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 14:51 Wlad took a power jab and a straight right to put Povitkin on his bum, Price took one shot to do it, Joshua took 7.
That's how I came about my rating. You don't have to be a dick about it.

... So you rate the guy who KO'ed Povetkin as being less powerful than the guys who didn't KO Povetkin. Hhmmm...

Jokeos is exactly as bad as the Un-Enlightened One. You give no context. Povetkin was older, physically gassed compared to the closer-to-prime one Klitschko almost took out early.

Joshua is not 10 out of 10. Maybe only to fanboys and people who know nothing about the sport except what is written on BoxRec ratings. Step away from the keyboard, Jokeos, you're done for today.

a) The version of Povetkin that fought Joshua was pretty much exactly as good as the version that fought Wlad.
b) You're the dumbest person who commented in this thread, and I have no idea why you're acting like that is not the case. You seem to have a low opinion of Enlightened-One, but he is a better and more intelligent poster than you. If I could ban one poster for just being the stupidest one, it would be you.

Lackeos wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 22:06

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 21:52

Lackeos wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 21:25
Yeah, exactly. By some figuring of these 1 to 10 ratings, you'd think maybe 10% of boxers should be rated a 10. Joshua is easily in the top 0.5%. He is possibly the top 0.1%.

Easy 10 out of 10.


... So you rate the guy who KO'ed Povetkin as being less powerful than the guys who didn't KO Povetkin. Hhmmm...

Jokeos is exactly as bad as the Un-Enlightened One. You give no context. Povetkin was older, physically gassed compared to the closer-to-prime one Klitschko almost took out early.

Joshua is not 10 out of 10. Maybe only to fanboys and people who know nothing about the sport except what is written on BoxRec ratings. Step away from the keyboard, Jokeos, you're done for today.

a) The version of Povetkin that fought Joshua was pretty much exactly as good as the version that fought Wlad.
b) You're the dumbest person who commented in this thread, and I have no idea why you're acting like that is not the case.

Sorry to disagree with your first part of your comment. But Povetkin at 39 is not near the fighter that Wlad fought

Lackeos wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 22:06

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 21:52

Lackeos wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 21:25
Yeah, exactly. By some figuring of these 1 to 10 ratings, you'd think maybe 10% of boxers should be rated a 10. Joshua is easily in the top 0.5%. He is possibly the top 0.1%.

Easy 10 out of 10.


... So you rate the guy who KO'ed Povetkin as being less powerful than the guys who didn't KO Povetkin. Hhmmm...

Jokeos is exactly as bad as the Un-Enlightened One. You give no context. Povetkin was older, physically gassed compared to the closer-to-prime one Klitschko almost took out early.

Joshua is not 10 out of 10. Maybe only to fanboys and people who know nothing about the sport except what is written on BoxRec ratings. Step away from the keyboard, Jokeos, you're done for today.

a) The version of Povetkin that fought Joshua was pretty much exactly as good as the version that fought Wlad.
b) You're the dumbest person who commented in this thread, and I have no idea why you're acting like that is not the case. You seem to have a low opinion of Enlightened-One, but he is a better and more intelligent poster than you. If I could ban one poster for just being the stupidest one, it would be you.

Absolute nonsense. As I said, "Step away from the keyboard."

I was giving you sound advice because you came back and embarrassed yourself. I see that you couldn't help yourself, though, and wanted to make a bigger fool out of yourself.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 22:39

Lackeos wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 22:06

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 21:52

Jokeos is exactly as bad as the Un-Enlightened One. You give no context. Povetkin was older, physically gassed compared to the closer-to-prime one Klitschko almost took out early.

Joshua is not 10 out of 10. Maybe only to fanboys and people who know nothing about the sport except what is written on BoxRec ratings. Step away from the keyboard, Jokeos, you're done for today.

a) The version of Povetkin that fought Joshua was pretty much exactly as good as the version that fought Wlad.
b) You're the dumbest person who commented in this thread, and I have no idea why you're acting like that is not the case. You seem to have a low opinion of Enlightened-One, but he is a better and more intelligent poster than you. If I could ban one poster for just being the stupidest one, it would be you.

Absolute nonsense. As I said, "Step away from the keyboard."

I was giving you sound advice because you came back and embarrassed yourself. I see that you couldn't help yourself, though, and wanted to make a bigger fool out of yourself.

Definitely part of the “ridiculous 90%.”

tiny_acres wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 22:09
Sorry to disagree with your first part of your comment. But Povetkin at 39 is not near the fighter that Wlad fought

Yes I must concur. Still sharp, still a fierce competitor, still dangerous, but not what he was in terms of stamina and durability over the full distance.

Well done AJ for removing another quality fighter from contention but the Povetkin of even two years ago would have been much more taxing.

candyslim wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 02:32

tiny_acres wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 22:09
Sorry to disagree with your first part of your comment. But Povetkin at 39 is not near the fighter that Wlad fought

Yes I must concur. Still sharp, still a fierce competitor, still dangerous, but not what he was in terms of stamina and durability over the full distance.

Well done AJ for removing another quality fighter from contention but the Povetkin of even two years ago would have been much more taxing.

I think it would've ended in the second or first if it was the Povetkin that destroyed Charr.

First we would need to agree what having power of 10 means.

Someone said earlier that 10% of boxers have power of 10. I don't see it that way. Power of 10 is the max power that boxer can have. Or at least very close to it. So by my definition only very few boxers have power of 10. Guys like Lemieux and Kudryashov come to mind. I think that Wilder hits harder than Joshua.

For me Joshua is probably 9. Very good power but there is people who hit even harder. Especially pound for pound.

Do you not mean Duhaupas rather than Charr? Povetkin would have been an even greater handful for AJ if he were still at his peak but I do believe AJ would have found a way to win a brutal fight.

Champions are always appreciated much more in retrospect. If you said Joshua was better than Lewis, people would laugh, scoff, or sneer but Lennox wasn't always regarded as a great fighter, in fact many regarded him as pretty average in his early and middle career. He suffered losses against fighters whom it's hard to see troubling AJ, even if he did reverse them, and he wasn't always impressive in his performances.

I guess you'd have to say Lennox's career in hindsight eclipses Joshua's to-date, but AJ should have his best years ahead of him and I'm going to stick my neck out and say he will one day be considered to be the better of the two. It's probably not a good time to say that when Povetkin was administering a painful lesson, but AJ will continue to improve and his record of good wins will continue to grow, I'm confident of that.

Heretic wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 08:38 First we would need to agree what having power of 10 means.

Someone said earlier that 10% of boxers have power of 10. I don't see it that way. Power of 10 is the max power that boxer can have. Or at least very close to it. So by my definition only very few boxers have power of 10. Guys like Lemieux and Kudryashov come to mind. I think that Wilder hits harder than Joshua.

For me Joshua is probably 9. Very good power but there is people who hit even harder. Especially pound for pound.

Yes, very few boxers deserve 10/10, perhaps three or four (I mean HWs, not pound for pound).
Wilder, Joshua and Price.......Perhaps Gassiev (220 lbs) when he moves on at HW..........

I am very shocked that so many people consider Gassiev a 10/10 puncher, and they consider him as such even at HW. of course, his recent KO's on never stopped but past prime Włodarczyk and undefeated Dorticos are impressive but c'mon, I give him 7/10 at HW, 9/10 at CW. Maybe he punches even harder than i think but he never fought at HW so far so i just dont get it why people rank his power so high. I thought it's only LuisTrollnando who rates Gassievs power so high. His KO ratio is not that impressive either but i give him a credit because he was and still is very young hence the 9/10 note.

dagilechia wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 12:27 I am very shocked that so many people consider Gassiev a 10/10 puncher, and they consider him as such even at HW. of course, his recent KO's on never stopped but past prime Włodarczyk and undefeated Dorticos are impressive but c'mon, I give him 7/10 at HW, 9/10 at CW. Maybe he punches even harder than i think but he never fought at HW so far so i just dont get it why people rank his power so high. I thought it's only LuisTrollnando who rates Gassievs power so high. His KO ratio is not that impressive either but i give him a credit because he was and still is very young hence the 9/10 note.

I said perhaps, and I hope I am (or better I will be) right.

ValMar wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 13:25

dagilechia wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 12:27 I am very shocked that so many people consider Gassiev a 10/10 puncher, and they consider him as such even at HW. of course, his recent KO's on never stopped but past prime Włodarczyk and undefeated Dorticos are impressive but c'mon, I give him 7/10 at HW, 9/10 at CW. Maybe he punches even harder than i think but he never fought at HW so far so i just dont get it why people rank his power so high. I thought it's only LuisTrollnando who rates Gassievs power so high. His KO ratio is not that impressive either but i give him a credit because he was and still is very young hence the 9/10 note.

I said perhaps, and I hope I am (or better I will be) right.

I know what you said, i just mean that i cant even imagine Gassiev being a 10/10 puncher at HW even in future. I think he's not 10/10 even at CW. anyway time will tell because sooner or later Iron will move to HW.

dagilechia wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 13:28

ValMar wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 13:25

dagilechia wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 12:27 I am very shocked that so many people consider Gassiev a 10/10 puncher, and they consider him as such even at HW. of course, his recent KO's on never stopped but past prime Włodarczyk and undefeated Dorticos are impressive but c'mon, I give him 7/10 at HW, 9/10 at CW. Maybe he punches even harder than i think but he never fought at HW so far so i just dont get it why people rank his power so high. I thought it's only LuisTrollnando who rates Gassievs power so high. His KO ratio is not that impressive either but i give him a credit because he was and still is very young hence the 9/10 note.

I said perhaps, and I hope I am (or better I will be) right.

I know what you said, i just mean that i cant even imagine Gassiev being a 10/10 puncher at HW even in future. I think he's not 10/10 even at CW. anyway time will tell because sooner or later Iron will move to HW.

Sorry, I think he is 10/10 at CW. Of course, time will tell.....