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boxing_rocks wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 13:29

Also, Joshua's ability to adjust is another indicator of a high level.

RKY wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 14:14

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 13:29

Also, Joshua's ability to adjust is another indicator of a high level.

His fundamentals are garbage. His footwork is laughably bad. No other world champion in any other duvision is so technically poor.

RKY wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 13:26

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 04:18 AJ won two or three rounds at least. And Povetkin didn't make the Brit look like an amateur either.

Even during the rounds Joshua lost, he was still working his opponents body, whilst trying to wear down the ageing veteran.

There was a sense of inevitability about the outcome.

Povetkin impressed me greatly to the point I believe he was the second best opponent of AJ's career.

Anthony Joshua has currently got the best resume of all active world-rated fighters and his skills are vastly more superior than Wilder's,

Lol at your last paragraph.

And povetkin's never been all that great, it's just Joshua without the power isn't very good

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 13:38

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 04:18 AJ won two or three rounds at least. And Povetkin didn't make the Brit look like an amateur either.

Even during the rounds Joshua lost, he was still working his opponents body, whilst trying to wear down the ageing veteran.

There was a sense of inevitability about the outcome.

Povetkin impressed me greatly to the point I believe he was the second best opponent of AJ's career.

Anthony Joshua has currently got the best resume of all active world-rated fighters and his skills are vastly more superior than Wilder's,

candyslim wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 03:50

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 13:38

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 04:18 AJ won two or three rounds at least. And Povetkin didn't make the Brit look like an amateur either.

Even during the rounds Joshua lost, he was still working his opponents body, whilst trying to wear down the ageing veteran.

There was a sense of inevitability about the outcome.

Povetkin impressed me greatly to the point I believe he was the second best opponent of AJ's career.

Anthony Joshua has currently got the best resume of all active world-rated fighters and his skills are vastly more superior than Wilder's,

Your use of clearly indicates that you don't agree EO's comment that Joshua has the best resume. This to me seems rather like sneering at the suggestion that fish are able to swim, and I'm intrigued as to who you regard as having a superior resume?

dagilechia wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 05:36

candyslim wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 03:50

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 13:38

Your use of clearly indicates that you don't agree EO's comment that Joshua has the best resume. This to me seems rather like sneering at the suggestion that fish are able to swim, and I'm intrigued as to who you regard as having a superior resume?

I guess he thought that EO meant that AJ has the best resume p4p.

DrDuke wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 10:19 Joshua isn't a C level fighter, but he's not remarkable either. He has solid fundamentals, he can be rational, but he's not fluid, he's not creative. He's big and powerful and he can use it, what is also a skill though.

RKY wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 11:15

DrDuke wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 10:19 Joshua isn't a C level fighter, but he's not remarkable either. He has solid fundamentals, he can be rational, but he's not fluid, he's not creative. He's big and powerful and he can use it, what is also a skill though.

I don't think his fundamentals are solid. I think he has to think about everything he does from his foot placement to his guard... and it shows - all the things that world level fighters do naturally. Trouble with AJ is he only started fighting as an adult, 18 or 19 i believe (with that said his achievements are incredible). Most top level guys like Lomachenko, Crawford etc started as infants. Just don't tell me from a technical point of view AJ is anywhere near the names on the p4p lists.

candyslim wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 03:50

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 13:38

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 04:18 AJ won two or three rounds at least. And Povetkin didn't make the Brit look like an amateur either.

Even during the rounds Joshua lost, he was still working his opponents body, whilst trying to wear down the ageing veteran.

There was a sense of inevitability about the outcome.

Povetkin impressed me greatly to the point I believe he was the second best opponent of AJ's career.

Anthony Joshua has currently got the best resume of all active world-rated fighters and his skills are vastly more superior than Wilder's,

Your use of clearly indicates that you don't agree EO's comment that Joshua has the best resume. This to me seems rather like sneering at the suggestion that fish are able to swim, and I'm intrigued as to who you regard as having a superior resume?

The last paragraph was written in the context of the heavyweight division

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 13:07

candyslim wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 03:50

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 13:38

Your use of clearly indicates that you don't agree EO's comment that Joshua has the best resume. This to me seems rather like sneering at the suggestion that fish are able to swim, and I'm intrigued as to who you regard as having a superior resume?

Among active fighters? Manny Pacquiao for one

jamamb wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 16:04 he already clarified, so i dont know why some ppl keep going on like hes claiming aj has the best record out of all divisions. look near the top of the page

The last paragraph was written in the context of the heavyweight division

RKY wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 22:01

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 13:07

candyslim wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 03:50

Your use of clearly indicates that you don't agree EO's comment that Joshua has the best resume. This to me seems rather like sneering at the suggestion that fish are able to swim, and I'm intrigued as to who you regard as having a superior resume?

Among active fighters? Manny Pacquiao for one

Using Manny Pacquiao in this context is like cracking an egg with a sledge hammer.

RKY wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 20:33 Just watched the fight (on mute) and I thought rounds 1 through 5 Povetkin made Joshua look like an amatuer. I gave him all 5 rounds.

Early in the fight Povetkin couldn't miss with that left hook due to AJ's low right hand and very poor stance. AJ is a man mountain the size of Klitchko or Lewis but he just doesn't utilize his height to any effect. Instead his wide stance and bent legs make him much lower target and easy to hit.

I'm not sure what instructions Rob McCracken gave AJ after r1 & 2, probably that he was getting countered too easy. By r3 Joshua was boxing like a poor man's George Groves. He gave up the centre of the ring to an older smaller man, circling Povetkin with his right hand high and his long left arm hangin out low and flailing in the wind. His jab is often reaching and off target. Exchanges on the inside again were poor from AJ, he looked clumsy with his stance giving space for the uppercut which Povetkin had success with.

I never really expected much from Povetkin. He's 40 years old and can obviously be hurt, I've seen him in bad shape vs Wlad & Price. He certainly had a punchers chance but by round 6 he was visibly gassed.

Perhaps it was the game plan by McCracken all along to circle and jab Povetkin until he was weak enough for AJ to step on him. Credit where it's due on the finish, when AJ throws a right cross in anger & you see his back follow through, it looks like it would break a brick wall.

AJ's an exciting fighter in the division, but I'm not impressed by his ability at all outwith his power. Wilder is a better fighter.

RKY wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 22:44

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 22:42

ironbeard wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 22:37
Excellent post.

It needs to be noted that Wilder has never fought Povetkin, or Wlad. I have a hard time making a call between them. They both makeup for significant flaws with ridiculous power.

I would have favored AJ before Wilder vs Ortiz, but the way Wilder figured out how to survive and end that was something that we have not seen.

Fury vs Wilder is a very interesting fight.

It's not a good post.

I just read the last part. Wilder was getting schooled by Ortiz and Szpilka. How the hell are you going to say he's a better fighter than Joshua who has beaten top-level fighters.

This forum is ridiculous 90% of the time.

There's not much in it. Both have their flaws. Both have sensational power. The difference is Wilder is unpredictable. AJ is very predictable.

RKY wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 22:59

jamamb wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 22:51 i thought gerald washington and szpilka each won as many rounds vs wilder as pov did vs aj. ortiz won more. molina won more vs wikder then vs aj.

'oh but wilder gets the ko so it doesnt matter'

um, same for aj. theyve bothe won by stoppage all but once.

just remember when you say one guys better, to not forget the other guys fights. and wilders 'unorthodoxy' has just become a synonym for sloppy technique. very dangerous with his speed and power, but this whole crap technique as a strength bandwagon is laughable

with wilders length, speed, and power, if he also had a style advantage no f@cking chance hes losing rounds to szpilka and not stopping him until late

Wilder can be sloppy but not always. His biggest asset other than his power is his ability to land bombs when you think he's out of reach when he isn't. That's down to his much less muscular frame. Wilder is the kind of guy that will hit you with punches you don't see coming.

RKY wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 22:01

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 13:07

candyslim wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 03:50

Your use of clearly indicates that you don't agree EO's comment that Joshua has the best resume. This to me seems rather like sneering at the suggestion that fish are able to swim, and I'm intrigued as to who you regard as having a superior resume?

Among active fighters? Manny Pacquiao for one

Using Manny Pacquiao in this context is like cracking an egg with a sledge hammer.