Joshua is a C level fighter with A+ power

[Ricky]

Just watched the fight (on mute) and I thought rounds 1 through 5 Povetkin made Joshua look like an amatuer. I gave him all 5 rounds.

Early in the fight Povetkin couldn't miss with that left hook due to AJ's low right hand and very poor stance. AJ is a man mountain the size of Klitchko or Lewis but he just doesn't utilize his height to any effect. Instead his wide stance and bent legs make him much lower target and easy to hit.

I'm not sure what instructions Rob McCracken gave AJ after r1 & 2, probably that he was getting countered too easy. By r3 Joshua was boxing like a poor man's George Groves. He gave up the centre of the ring to an older smaller man, circling Povetkin with his right hand high and his long left arm hangin out low and flailing in the wind. His jab is often reaching and off target. Exchanges on the inside again were poor from AJ, he looked clumsy with his stance giving space for the uppercut which Povetkin had success with.

I never really expected much from Povetkin. He's 40 years old and can obviously be hurt, I've seen him in bad shape vs Wlad & Price. He certainly had a punchers chance but by round 6 he was visibly gassed.

Perhaps it was the game plan by McCracken all along to circle and jab Povetkin until he was weak enough for AJ to step on him. Credit where it's due on the finish, when AJ throws a right cross in anger & you see his back follow through, it looks like it would break a brick wall.

AJ's an exciting fighter in the division, but I'm not impressed by his ability at all outwith his power. Wilder is a better fighter.

[Mexi-Box]

I just don't understand why Povetkin came in monstrously good shape against Charr and then he comes in like that against AJ. I missed the weigh in, but I was expecting a better looking Povetkin.

Without a doubt, a younger Povetkin would've stopped AJ. If he kept up that pace from the first 5 rounds, AJ would've been done.

[ironbeard]

Just watched the fight (on mute) and I thought rounds 1 through 5 Povetkin made Joshua look like an amatuer. I gave him all 5 rounds.

Early in the fight Povetkin couldn't miss with that left hook due to AJ's low right hand and very poor stance. AJ is a man mountain the size of Klitchko or Lewis but he just doesn't utilize his height to any effect. Instead his wide stance and bent legs make him much lower target and easy to hit.

I'm not sure what instructions Rob McCracken gave AJ after r1 & 2, probably that he was getting countered too easy. By r3 Joshua was boxing like a poor man's George Groves. He gave up the centre of the ring to an older smaller man, circling Povetkin with his right hand high and his long left arm hangin out low and flailing in the wind. His jab is often reaching and off target. Exchanges on the inside again were poor from AJ, he looked clumsy with his stance giving space for the uppercut which Povetkin had success with.

I never really expected much from Povetkin. He's 40 years old and can obviously be hurt, I've seen him in bad shape vs Wlad & Price. He certainly had a punchers chance but by round 6 he was visibly gassed.

Perhaps it was the game plan by McCracken all along to circle and jab Povetkin until he was weak enough for AJ to step on him. Credit where it's due on the finish, when AJ throws a right cross in anger & you see his back follow through, it looks like it would break a brick wall.

AJ's an exciting fighter in the division, but I'm not impressed by his ability at all outwith his power. Wilder is a better fighter.

Excellent post.

It needs to be noted that Wilder has never fought Povetkin, or Wlad. I have a hard time making a call between them. They both makeup for significant flaws with ridiculous power.

I would have favored AJ before Wilder vs Ortiz, but the way Wilder figured out how to survive and end that was something that we have not seen.

Fury vs Wilder is a very interesting fight.

[Mexi-Box]

Just watched the fight (on mute) and I thought rounds 1 through 5 Povetkin made Joshua look like an amatuer. I gave him all 5 rounds.

Early in the fight Povetkin couldn't miss with that left hook due to AJ's low right hand and very poor stance. AJ is a man mountain the size of Klitchko or Lewis but he just doesn't utilize his height to any effect. Instead his wide stance and bent legs make him much lower target and easy to hit.

I'm not sure what instructions Rob McCracken gave AJ after r1 & 2, probably that he was getting countered too easy. By r3 Joshua was boxing like a poor man's George Groves. He gave up the centre of the ring to an older smaller man, circling Povetkin with his right hand high and his long left arm hangin out low and flailing in the wind. His jab is often reaching and off target. Exchanges on the inside again were poor from AJ, he looked clumsy with his stance giving space for the uppercut which Povetkin had success with.

I never really expected much from Povetkin. He's 40 years old and can obviously be hurt, I've seen him in bad shape vs Wlad & Price. He certainly had a punchers chance but by round 6 he was visibly gassed.

Perhaps it was the game plan by McCracken all along to circle and jab Povetkin until he was weak enough for AJ to step on him. Credit where it's due on the finish, when AJ throws a right cross in anger & you see his back follow through, it looks like it would break a brick wall.

AJ's an exciting fighter in the division, but I'm not impressed by his ability at all outwith his power. Wilder is a better fighter.

Excellent post.

It needs to be noted that Wilder has never fought Povetkin, or Wlad. I have a hard time making a call between them. They both makeup for significant flaws with ridiculous power.

I would have favored AJ before Wilder vs Ortiz, but the way Wilder figured out how to survive and end that was something that we have not seen.

Fury vs Wilder is a very interesting fight.

It's not a good post.

I just read the last part. Wilder was getting schooled by Ortiz and Szpilka. How the hell are you going to say he's a better fighter than Joshua who has beaten top-level fighters.

This forum is ridiculous 90% of the time.

[Ricky]

Just watched the fight (on mute) and I thought rounds 1 through 5 Povetkin made Joshua look like an amatuer. I gave him all 5 rounds.

Early in the fight Povetkin couldn't miss with that left hook due to AJ's low right hand and very poor stance. AJ is a man mountain the size of Klitchko or Lewis but he just doesn't utilize his height to any effect. Instead his wide stance and bent legs make him much lower target and easy to hit.

I'm not sure what instructions Rob McCracken gave AJ after r1 & 2, probably that he was getting countered too easy. By r3 Joshua was boxing like a poor man's George Groves. He gave up the centre of the ring to an older smaller man, circling Povetkin with his right hand high and his long left arm hangin out low and flailing in the wind. His jab is often reaching and off target. Exchanges on the inside again were poor from AJ, he looked clumsy with his stance giving space for the uppercut which Povetkin had success with.

I never really expected much from Povetkin. He's 40 years old and can obviously be hurt, I've seen him in bad shape vs Wlad & Price. He certainly had a punchers chance but by round 6 he was visibly gassed.

Perhaps it was the game plan by McCracken all along to circle and jab Povetkin until he was weak enough for AJ to step on him. Credit where it's due on the finish, when AJ throws a right cross in anger & you see his back follow through, it looks like it would break a brick wall.

AJ's an exciting fighter in the division, but I'm not impressed by his ability at all outwith his power. Wilder is a better fighter.

Excellent post.

It needs to be noted that Wilder has never fought Povetkin, or Wlad. I have a hard time making a call between them. They both makeup for significant flaws with ridiculous power.

I would have favored AJ before Wilder vs Ortiz, but the way Wilder figured out how to survive and end that was something that we have not seen.

Fury vs Wilder is a very interesting fight.

It's not a good post.

I just read the last part. Wilder was getting schooled by Ortiz and Szpilka. How the hell are you going to say he's a better fighter than Joshua who has beaten top-level fighters.

This forum is ridiculous 90% of the time.

There's not much in it. Both have their flaws. Both have sensational power. The difference is Wilder is unpredictable. AJ is very predictable.

[ironbeard]

Just watched the fight (on mute) and I thought rounds 1 through 5 Povetkin made Joshua look like an amatuer. I gave him all 5 rounds.

Early in the fight Povetkin couldn't miss with that left hook due to AJ's low right hand and very poor stance. AJ is a man mountain the size of Klitchko or Lewis but he just doesn't utilize his height to any effect. Instead his wide stance and bent legs make him much lower target and easy to hit.

I'm not sure what instructions Rob McCracken gave AJ after r1 & 2, probably that he was getting countered too easy. By r3 Joshua was boxing like a poor man's George Groves. He gave up the centre of the ring to an older smaller man, circling Povetkin with his right hand high and his long left arm hangin out low and flailing in the wind. His jab is often reaching and off target. Exchanges on the inside again were poor from AJ, he looked clumsy with his stance giving space for the uppercut which Povetkin had success with.

I never really expected much from Povetkin. He's 40 years old and can obviously be hurt, I've seen him in bad shape vs Wlad & Price. He certainly had a punchers chance but by round 6 he was visibly gassed.

Perhaps it was the game plan by McCracken all along to circle and jab Povetkin until he was weak enough for AJ to step on him. Credit where it's due on the finish, when AJ throws a right cross in anger & you see his back follow through, it looks like it would break a brick wall.

AJ's an exciting fighter in the division, but I'm not impressed by his ability at all outwith his power. Wilder is a better fighter.

Excellent post.

It needs to be noted that Wilder has never fought Povetkin, or Wlad. I have a hard time making a call between them. They both makeup for significant flaws with ridiculous power.

I would have favored AJ before Wilder vs Ortiz, but the way Wilder figured out how to survive and end that was something that we have not seen.

Fury vs Wilder is a very interesting fight.

It's not a good post.

I just read the last part. Wilder was getting schooled by Ortiz and Szpilka. How the hell are you going to say he's a better fighter than Joshua who has beaten top-level fighters.

This forum is ridiculous 90% of the time.

You are obviously part of that “ridiculous 90%..” RKY made a decent argument that I did not completely agree with. That is what conversation is about.

[jamamb]

i thought gerald washington and szpilka each won as many rounds vs wilder as pov did vs aj. ortiz won more. molina won more vs wikder then vs aj.

'oh but wilder gets the ko so it doesnt matter'

um, same for aj. theyve bothe won by stoppage all but once.

just remember when you say one guys better, to not forget the other guys fights. and wilders 'unorthodoxy' has just become a synonym for sloppy technique. very dangerous with his speed and power, but this whole crap technique as a strength bandwagon is laughable

with wilders length, speed, and power, if he also had a style advantage no f@cking chance hes losing rounds to szpilka and not stopping him until late

[ironbeard]

i thought gerald washington and szpilka each won as many rounds vs wilder as pov did vs aj. ortiz won more. molina won more vs wikder then vs aj.

'oh but wilder gets the ko so it doesnt matter'

um, same for aj. theyve bothe won by stoppage all but once.

just remember when you say one guys better, to not forget the other guys fights. and wilders 'unorthodoxy' has just become a synonym for sloppy technique

Who are you talking at? I am the one who brought that up.

[jamamb]

the unthodoxy thing is so overrated

and how the f@ck is a guy like szpilka winning rounds and going until almost the 10th if wilder has speed, power, length, and this supposed unpresictability and unorthodox advantage? imo he wins in spite of the latter two, not in part because them

[Ricky]

i thought gerald washington and szpilka each won as many rounds vs wilder as pov did vs aj. ortiz won more. molina won more vs wikder then vs aj.

'oh but wilder gets the ko so it doesnt matter'

um, same for aj. theyve bothe won by stoppage all but once.

just remember when you say one guys better, to not forget the other guys fights. and wilders 'unorthodoxy' has just become a synonym for sloppy technique. very dangerous with his speed and power, but this whole crap technique as a strength bandwagon is laughable

with wilders length, speed, and power, if he also had a style advantage no f@cking chance hes losing rounds to szpilka and not stopping him until late

Wilder can be sloppy but not always. His biggest asset other than his power is his ability to land bombs when you think he's out of reach when he isn't. That's down to his much less muscular frame. Wilder is the kind of guy that will hit you with punches you don't see coming.

[jamamb]

i am just speaking in general after reading the first post. when one guy fights and loses some rounds, its like some ppl totally forget that the other has hardly been without comparable or worse examples

the unthodoxy (aka sloppy) thing is so overrated

how the f@ck is a guy like szpilka winning rounds and going until almost the 10th if wilder has speed, power, length, and this supposed unpresictability and unorthodox advantage? imo he wins in spite of the latter two, not in part because them

[gilgamesh]

i am just speaking in general after reading the first post. when one guy fights and loses some rounds, its like some ppl totally forget that the other has hardly been without comparable or worse examples

the unthodoxy (aka sloppy) thing is so overrated

how the f@ck is a guy like szpilka winning rounds and going until almost the 10th if wilder has speed, power, length, and this supposed unpresictability and unorthodox advantage? imo he wins in spite of the latter two, not in part because them

It's the old "Styles make fights" thing. Being unorthodox works well against some guys, some guys it gets you nowhere fast.

[tiny_acres]

i am just speaking in general after reading the first post. when one guy fights and loses some rounds, its like some ppl totally forget that the other has hardly been without comparable or worse examples

the unthodoxy (aka sloppy) thing is so overrated

how the f@ck is a guy like szpilka winning rounds and going until almost the 10th if wilder has speed, power, length, and this supposed unpresictability and unorthodox advantage? imo he wins in spite of the latter two, not in part because them

It's the old "Styles make fights" thing. Being unorthodox works well against some guys, some guys it gets you nowhere fast.

Some people will never understand this.
And some people will also never understand that fighters are moved along in their careers at different paces.

[jamamb]

um, i think thats obvious that fighters are moved at different paces just compare where aj is 5 years in compared to where wilder/fury/ortiz were at 5 years in

[jamamb]

and i really dont see the sloppyness as being much of a strength at all, basically in wilder you have this super hard hitting, fast, long reached guy, with prerty good stamina, who beats ppl with that. some ppl see that hes also sloppy and are unable to differentiate that from the attributes that are really winnibg him these fights

the 'unorthodoxy' is the type of thing that got him clocked by eric molina and had him losing rounds to szpilka

[Ricky]

i am just speaking in general after reading the first post. when one guy fights and loses some rounds, its like some ppl totally forget that the other has hardly been without comparable or worse examples

the unthodoxy (aka sloppy) thing is so overrated

how the f@ck is a guy like szpilka winning rounds and going until almost the 10th if wilder has speed, power, length, and this supposed unpresictability and unorthodox advantage? imo he wins in spite of the latter two, not in part because them

It's the old "Styles make fights" thing. Being unorthodox works well against some guys, some guys it gets you nowhere fast.

As far as the Wilder/Fury/AJ dynamic goes "styles makes fights" has never been more apt. I think it's a brilliant clash of styles across all 3. Fury is probably the best boxer byt he's chinny. AJ & Wilder have ATG power but fundamental flaws, particularly in defence.

[Enlightened-One]

AJ won two or three rounds at least. And Povetkin didn't make the Brit look like an amateur either.

Even during the rounds Joshua lost, he was still working his opponents body, whilst trying to wear down the ageing veteran.

There was a sense of inevitability about the outcome.

Povetkin impressed me greatly to the point I believe he was the second best opponent of AJ's career.

Anthony Joshua has currently got the best resume of all active world-rated fighters and his skills are vastly more superior than Wilder's,

[Heretic]

the unthodoxy thing is so overrated

and how the f@ck is a guy like szpilka winning rounds and going until almost the 10th if wilder has speed, power, length, and this supposed unpresictability and unorthodox advantage? imo he wins in spite of the latter two, not in part because them

Well said

[Ricky]

AJ won two or three rounds at least. And Povetkin didn't make the Brit look like an amateur either.

Even during the rounds Joshua lost, he was still working his opponents body, whilst trying to wear down the ageing veteran.

There was a sense of inevitability about the outcome.

Povetkin impressed me greatly to the point I believe he was the second best opponent of AJ's career.

Anthony Joshua has currently got the best resume of all active world-rated fighters and his skills are vastly more superior than Wilder's,

Lol at your last paragraph.

And povetkin's never been all that great, it's just Joshua without the power isn't very good

[boxing_rocks]

Also, Joshua's ability to adjust is another indicator of a high level.

[tiny_acres]

AJ won two or three rounds at least. And Povetkin didn't make the Brit look like an amateur either.

Even during the rounds Joshua lost, he was still working his opponents body, whilst trying to wear down the ageing veteran.

There was a sense of inevitability about the outcome.

Povetkin impressed me greatly to the point I believe he was the second best opponent of AJ's career.

Anthony Joshua has currently got the best resume of all active world-rated fighters and his skills are vastly more superior than Wilder's,

just Joshua without the power isn't very good

Add in Wilder without power isn't very good either.
Might as well say Fury without size isn't that good either.
We can't take away a fighters greatest attributes.
Joshua's biggest asset along with Wilder is huge punching power. Without it both would of already lost

[IKSRTFO]

AJ won two or three rounds at least. And Povetkin didn't make the Brit look like an amateur either.

Even during the rounds Joshua lost, he was still working his opponents body, whilst trying to wear down the ageing veteran.

There was a sense of inevitability about the outcome.

Povetkin impressed me greatly to the point I believe he was the second best opponent of AJ's career.

Anthony Joshua has currently got the best resume of all active world-rated fighters and his skills are vastly more superior than Wilder's,

[jamamb]

at hw its true

[boxing_rocks]

Joshua without power is way better than Wilder without power.

[tiny_acres]

Joshua without power is way better than Wilder without power.

Its a dumb debate. They both have amazing power.
Without the power we wouldn't have ten thousand posts about either fighter.
Their power is the reason they are who and where they are