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RKY wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 08:00 Crawford lept face-first into several shots from Benavidez. Spence will hit him hard on the button without a doubt. Crawford does have a great chin though.

ironbeard wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 09:08 While I agree with Yuzo that Spence tends to attack straight on, the Texan also cuts the ring off quite well when necessary, especially when his adversary slows just a bit.

RKY wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 08:00 Crawford lept face-first into several shots from Benavidez. Spence will hit him hard on the button without a doubt. Crawford does have a great chin though.

Yuzo wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 16:09

ironbeard wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 09:08 While I agree with Yuzo that Spence tends to attack straight on, the Texan also cuts the ring off quite well when necessary, especially when his adversary slows just a bit.

spence comes in with push and slides.



you push off your back foot and slide your front foot. its a quick way to stay in your stance and get from point a to point b. but it makes you move in straight lines.



to cut the ring off you have to come in laterally.

RKY wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 08:00 Crawford lept face-first into several shots from Benavidez. Spence will hit him hard on the button without a doubt. Crawford does have a great chin though.

i think he'd get hit. but i dont think he'd get hit a lot. which is what spence has to do to break you down. he has to hit you a lot.

ironbeard wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 09:08 Great thread.
to Yuzo’s post.

This would be the Leonard / Hearns of this era.

Immediately following Bud vs Benavidez, I was leaning toward Spence based on the react of Crawford to a bit of Benavidez’s body work. Other than that, you simply cannot fault that performance on Saturday night, beyond suggesting that Bud could have finished him earlier.

Spence has shown a reckless disregard for taking incoming fire throughout his career. He seems to believe that he cannot be seriously hurt. That is not a good attitude to have vs Hitman Jr.

Spence is a considerably bigger man physically, but Bud has been fighting bigger men in his last two fights, although not as talented and powerful as Spence.

Benavidez height and length were serious puzzles to solve. I would like to see Horn vs Benavidez. Horn is a huge mauling welter.

Bud handled and stopped both. People belittle what the Nebraskan has accomplished and who he has fought, but he has dominated everyone he has faced and taken several 0s.

Spence has his own hyper critics, claiming that he has not fought great enough comp. He has stopped a series of legit welters, including Brook and Peterson.

Spence was having his issues with Kell until mid fight. While Spence had assumed control, I had it even through eight. Brook is definitely more skilled, gifted, and a heavier puncher than anyone that Bud has met. However, Brook is no Crawford, by some distance.

Crawford would have to be moving the entire fight, sticking Spence, turning him and catching him. He would have to get Spence’s attention early with his pop, making him second guess coming in.

While I agree with Yuzo that Spence tends to attack straight on, the Texan also cuts the ring off quite well when necessary, especially when his adversary slows just a bit.

It is really a 50/50 fight. In those cases I generally lean towards the more pure boxer. My problem with picking Bud outright vs Spence is the formers absolute proclivity to go into tearup mode when touched. Doing so vs Spence would likely be Crawford’s undoing.

I still lean Crawford though, due to his excellent ability to adjust on the fly.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 15:56

RKY wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 08:00 Crawford lept face-first into several shots from Benavidez. Spence will hit him hard on the button without a doubt. Crawford does have a great chin though.

I am not sure about Crawford's chin. Wasn't he hurt by Gamboa?

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑16 Oct 2018, 10:29

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 15:56

RKY wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 08:00 Crawford lept face-first into several shots from Benavidez. Spence will hit him hard on the button without a doubt. Crawford does have a great chin though.

I am not sure about Crawford's chin. Wasn't he hurt by Gamboa?

Gamboa has lightening fast hands and caught Crawford with a punch he didn't see. Spence while miles stronger isn't as fast and Bud will see those punches coming. Brook was able to hit Spence in the beginning and Crawford sticks and moves miles better than Brook does.

jockpunk wrote: ↑16 Oct 2018, 12:54 I am a crawford fan and would be rooting for him, but I think he loses this fight. I think spence will be too phsically strong for him. I sure hope it happens, I would take this fight over any fight that could be made right now.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑16 Oct 2018, 15:00

jockpunk wrote: ↑16 Oct 2018, 12:54 I am a crawford fan and would be rooting for him, but I think he loses this fight. I think spence will be too phsically strong for him. I sure hope it happens, I would take this fight over any fight that could be made right now.

Not only Spence is too strong, but he is by far the most skillful opponent Crawford ever faced at 140 and 147.

NateJR wrote: ↑16 Oct 2018, 15:45 I got Crawford by decision. People are making this size thing into a bigger deal than it really is. Crawford isn't that much smaller than Spence.

NateJR wrote: ↑16 Oct 2018, 15:45 I got Crawford by decision. People are making this size thing into a bigger deal than it really is. Crawford isn't that much smaller than Spence.

RKY wrote: ↑16 Oct 2018, 15:51

NateJR wrote: ↑16 Oct 2018, 15:45 I got Crawford by decision. People are making this size thing into a bigger deal than it really is. Crawford isn't that much smaller than Spence.

Well Horn and Benavidez are bigger than Spence, but Spence has p4p world level skill to go with the size.

NateJR wrote: ↑16 Oct 2018, 16:07

RKY wrote: ↑16 Oct 2018, 15:51

NateJR wrote: ↑16 Oct 2018, 15:45 I got Crawford by decision. People are making this size thing into a bigger deal than it really is. Crawford isn't that much smaller than Spence.

Well Horn and Benavidez are bigger than Spence, but Spence has p4p world level skill to go with the size.

There isn't that big of a difference in their size and it's not like Crawford this tiny fragile guy. Crawford is physically strong as well. In another year he'll even fill out more. Size would be a non-factor at 147.

ironbeard wrote: ↑16 Oct 2018, 15:44

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑16 Oct 2018, 15:00

jockpunk wrote: ↑16 Oct 2018, 12:54 I am a crawford fan and would be rooting for him, but I think he loses this fight. I think spence will be too phsically strong for him. I sure hope it happens, I would take this fight over any fight that could be made right now.

Not only Spence is too strong, but he is by far the most skillful opponent Crawford ever faced at 140 and 147.

That cuts both ways.

ironbeard wrote: ↑16 Oct 2018, 09:47 Ok, Yuzo, back away from the youtube edits.

In your first one, Spence actually shows lateral adjustment.

Your first post was entertaining but making an argument based on three second out takes of fights is not that strong. Spence cut the ring off decently vs Brook as the fight went to the deep end.