Who really wins Joshua v wilder fight?

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Re: Who really wins Joshua v wilder fight?

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brilo33 wrote: 21 Oct 2018, 18:06 wilder sparks aj
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Re: Who really wins Joshua v wilder fight?

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dagilechia wrote: 18 Oct 2018, 11:16 Wilder is more explosive but Joshua is better all-round boxer. Wilder has advantage in dynamics but Joshua is physically stronger.

AJ proved that he has the ability to adjust to current situation in the ring. Some say that Wilder is more unpredictable but i think that actually AJ is more-dimensional fighter.

Both have more or less proved chin but in that aspect AJ seems slighty better imo also i think that Wilder is easier to hit - he is more elusive, AJ is rather stiff but he has better guard. Wilder is pretty open, when he turns on his windmill i can see AJ counter him and put on his bum.

Wilder is faster, moves faster but AJ moves smarter - footwork is AJs advantage.

AJ is technically better and more precise fighter. He throws better more creative combinations from more angles.

Wilder will have slight height and reach advantage but i doubt that it will play significant role.

Wilder has also better stamina - but will he pressure AJ enough to tire him? I doubt that. Anyway, stamina is Wilder's advantage.

Wilder has a punchers chances, i can't see him winning on points. He lost rounds to Szpilka or Washington. AJ can knock him out too but if the fight goes the distance (which is unlikely but possible) AJ will be awarded the decision.

So i think that AJ is not huge but clear favourite.

Wilder's strenght is his explosive right hand. Joshua has more ways to win this fight.
This summary is pretty much spot on.

Wilder's edge is in speed and power. Stamina would be one but I don't see it mattering in this one. Pace will probably be pretty slow.

AJ is the better technical boxer and stronger guy. He is also more dangerous up close with that uppercut.

I think Aj would try to keep the distance and try to counter Wilder. I think he would land first. Wilder has the punchers chance in this one. Aj on points or KTFO if he can land a good counter punch.

Oh one more thing. We pretty much know AJ's level by now. He has fought against the hard opponents. The same can't be said about Wilder. So far he has fought only one genuinely world class opponent. That one was Ortiz and hes pretty old already. He didn't look that good in hes last two fights and still was able to bring Wilder to an inch from defeat.

There is really no way to tell how Wilder would do against someone like old Wlad, Whyte or Povetkin.

Sometimes boxing just comes down to different levels :geek:
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Re: Who really wins Joshua v wilder fight?

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Yuzo wrote: 19 Oct 2018, 00:48
dagilechia wrote: 18 Oct 2018, 13:18 Constantly moving forward with high guard and throwing mostly straight punches - that is what i believe AJ should do. He must "break" Wilder systematically moving and throwing fair amount of punches (not too much though because gassing out is something that AJ needs to avoid at all cost)
marching in with your hands up means he gets to keep his jab extended to preform its primary function. which is to constantly measure you for a right hand.

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he throws his right hand two ways.

when your hips are squared up he throws a straight right hand in between your guard.

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thats how he knocked out stiverne.

when your hips are three quartered he throws a looping right hand around your guard.

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thats how he knocked out liakhovich.

when your hips are squared up, you are protecting your head from round punches, but you are exposing your face to straight right hands in between your guard. when your hips are three quartered, you are taking away the path for a straight right hand, but your head becomes exposed to looping right hands behind your ear.
dagilechia wrote: 18 Oct 2018, 11:16 Wilder is pretty open, when he turns on his windmill i can see AJ counter him and put on his bum.
he turns on his windmill when you are hurt. but, mostly, he only throws two punches. a jab and a right hand. so those are the punches joshua can try to counter.

he throws his jab just to measure you and he throws his right hand very conservatively. but, there is a moment, in between his jab and his right hand, when he is bringing his jab back and starting to turn into his right hand, when he can be hit.

he throws a bow and arrow jab and right hand.

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and can be countered then by a check hook.

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Great post :TU:

Two things that I see when watching those clips.

Firstly they partially explain where Wilders power comes from... He has good punching technique. The way he turns hes hips into those power shots... Good stuff :box:

Another thing is the way he uses that jabbing hand to pull down opponents guard to land that power shot in one of the clips. That's a great move. Lomachenko does that quite often.

Never thought that seeing clip of Wilder would reminder me of Loma :o
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