Onetimeonly wrote: ↑30 Oct 2018, 14:36
Yeah, neither of them have ever faced the likes of Luis arias. the only fact is you've got an unhealthy obsession with the charlos and don't know what you're talking about. Slim is equally ignorant to the sport.
Wow, you don't waste any time trying to make enemies do you? Not even on here a month yet
Onemonkey and jamdumb = same material
Re: Jacobs had a pretty tough fight with Derev. Props to D.J for taking tough fights unlike the kitty sisters
jamamb wrote: ↑30 Oct 2018, 19:42
malls jmw resume is solid. his mw resume isnt overly impressive and monroe wont boost it that much, but its hardly terrible and hes only just recently moved up
compare charlo to most guys getting shots, and what most champs had done before getting shots, and he is easily qualified
belt holders moving up in weight getting shots is standard. I wonder if the same whiners are pissed off at canelo/fielding or expect usyk to start from scratch? They always say charlos too. Jermell is building a strong resume at 54.
I agree with what you’ve both said, but it’s also important to note that many fighters either receive world title opportunities or are even given a world championship belts despite having never earned it…
For instance:
• Who did GGG beat in order to gain the WBC title?
• Who did GGG beat to capture the WBA title?
Also, if we review the resumes’ of several world title contenders that GGG faced (based on their middleweight accomplishments at the time they entered the ring against the Kazakh):
Date: 05/05/2018 Opponent: Vanes Martirosyan Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked Had never beaten a top fighter, was inactive for two years, gained only one victory (coupled with two losses) within the previous 3½ years, wasn't a middleweight and wasn’t rated in the top fifteen of the IBO, WBA & WBC. Vanes Martirosyan's resume was so bad that the IBF understandably refused to sanction the career long 154lb-er as a viable opponent for GGG.
Date: 10/09/16 Opponent: Kell Brook Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked A 12-year veteran welterweight that had never scored a clear-cut decisive victory over any top-ten world class 147lb-er. The Brit wasn't a middleweight and had never faced a world-rated opponent above 147lbs.
Date: 23/04/16 Opponent: Dominic Wade Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked A lightly-regarded opponent whose only accomplishment was scoring a controversial decision victory over a 41 year old shot version of Sam Soliman
Date: 16/05/15 Opponent: Willie Monroe Jr Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked A former light middleweight that was lightly-regarded and was untested, having never previously competed against a top-ten world-rated middleweight prior to the Golovkin bout
Date: 18/10/14 Opponent: Marco Antonio Rubio Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 8 A former welterweight and two-time failed world title challenger, with six losses on his resume, that had previously been dominated or stopped by Chavez Jr. and Pavlik
Date: 01/02/14 Opponent: Osumanu Adama Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked One-time failed world title challenger, a former light middleweight and a lightly-regarded opponent
Date: 02/11/13 Opponent: Curtis Stevens Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 11 An anonimous fighter that had already lost three times prior to facing Golovkin, one of them to the lightly regarded Jessie Brinkley
Date: 29/06/13 Opponent: Matthew Macklin Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 7 A former welterweight, one time failed world title challenger and entered the ring against GGG having lost two of his previous three bouts
Date: 30/03/13 Opponent: Nobuhiro Ishida Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked A former light middleweight that had failed to win ten of his bouts, entered the ring against Golovkin having tasted defeat in his previous two outings
Date: 19/01/13 Opponent: Gabriel Rosado Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked A former light middleweight, having lost five fights, that had never previously engaged in either a 160lb bout nor a world title fight
Date: 01/09/12 Opponent: Grzegorz Proksa Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 10 A former light middleweight that was defeated in one of his previous three bouts immediately prior to facing Golovkin and was also a former light middleweight Date: 12/05/12 Opponent: Makoto Fuchigami Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked An anonimous fighter that had already lost six times
Date: 09/12/11 Opponent: Lajuan Simon Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked A failed world title challenger that had lost three of his previous five bouts at the time he fought Golovkin… and had even lost his previous bout immediately prior to facing GGG
Date: 17/06/11 Opponent: Kassim Ouma Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked A former welterweight contender and 154lb world champion that had tasted defeat in five of his previous seven bouts at the time he entered the ring against Golovkin
And whilst I anticipate people attempting to defend the calibre of opposition the Kazakh fought by falsely claiming that “it wasn't his fault, because everybody was far too scared to fight GGG!”, there's a strange and factually-undeniable absence of any financial offers from Golovkin's representatives to face any of his big name rivals during the above time period.
It’s fairly reasonable to propose a compellingly strong argument that supports the notion that Jermall Charlo’s resume is either vastly superior or at least comparable to the names mentioned in the above list.
Re: Jacobs had a pretty tough fight with Derev. Props to D.J for taking tough fights unlike the kitty sisters
belt holders moving up in weight getting shots is standard. I wonder if the same whiners are pissed off at canelo/fielding or expect usyk to start from scratch? They always say charlos too. Jermell is building a strong resume at 54.
I agree with what you’ve both said, but it’s also important to note that many fighters either receive world title opportunities or are even given a world championship belts despite having never earned it…
For instance:
• Who did GGG beat in order to gain the WBC title?
• Who did GGG beat to capture the WBA title?
Also, if we review the resumes’ of several world title contenders that GGG faced (based on their middleweight accomplishments at the time they entered the ring against the Kazakh):
Date: 05/05/2018 Opponent: Vanes Martirosyan Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked Had never beaten a top fighter, was inactive for two years, gained only one victory (coupled with two losses) within the previous 3½ years, wasn't a middleweight and wasn’t rated in the top fifteen of the IBO, WBA & WBC. Vanes Martirosyan's resume was so bad that the IBF understandably refused to sanction the career long 154lb-er as a viable opponent for GGG.
Date: 10/09/16 Opponent: Kell Brook Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked A 12-year veteran welterweight that had never scored a clear-cut decisive victory over any top-ten world class 147lb-er. The Brit wasn't a middleweight and had never faced a world-rated opponent above 147lbs.
Date: 23/04/16 Opponent: Dominic Wade Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked A lightly-regarded opponent whose only accomplishment was scoring a controversial decision victory over a 41 year old shot version of Sam Soliman
Date: 16/05/15 Opponent: Willie Monroe Jr Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked A former light middleweight that was lightly-regarded and was untested, having never previously competed against a top-ten world-rated middleweight prior to the Golovkin bout
Date: 18/10/14 Opponent: Marco Antonio Rubio Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 8 A former welterweight and two-time failed world title challenger, with six losses on his resume, that had previously been dominated or stopped by Chavez Jr. and Pavlik
Date: 01/02/14 Opponent: Osumanu Adama Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked One-time failed world title challenger, a former light middleweight and a lightly-regarded opponent
Date: 02/11/13 Opponent: Curtis Stevens Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 11 An anonimous fighter that had already lost three times prior to facing Golovkin, one of them to the lightly regarded Jessie Brinkley
Date: 29/06/13 Opponent: Matthew Macklin Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 7 A former welterweight, one time failed world title challenger and entered the ring against GGG having lost two of his previous three bouts
Date: 30/03/13 Opponent: Nobuhiro Ishida Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked A former light middleweight that had failed to win ten of his bouts, entered the ring against Golovkin having tasted defeat in his previous two outings
Date: 19/01/13 Opponent: Gabriel Rosado Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked A former light middleweight, having lost five fights, that had never previously engaged in either a 160lb bout nor a world title fight
Date: 01/09/12 Opponent: Grzegorz Proksa Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 10 A former light middleweight that was defeated in one of his previous three bouts immediately prior to facing Golovkin and was also a former light middleweight Date: 12/05/12 Opponent: Makoto Fuchigami Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked An anonimous fighter that had already lost six times
Date: 09/12/11 Opponent: Lajuan Simon Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked A failed world title challenger that had lost three of his previous five bouts at the time he fought Golovkin… and had even lost his previous bout immediately prior to facing GGG
Date: 17/06/11 Opponent: Kassim Ouma Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked A former welterweight contender and 154lb world champion that had tasted defeat in five of his previous seven bouts at the time he entered the ring against Golovkin
And whilst I anticipate people attempting to defend the calibre of opposition the Kazakh fought by falsely claiming that “it wasn't his fault, because everybody was far too scared to fight GGG!”, there's a strange and factually-undeniable absence of any financial offers from Golovkin's representatives to face any of his big name rivals during the above time period.
It’s fairly reasonable to propose a compellingly strong argument that supports the notion that Jermall Charlo’s resume is either vastly superior or at least comparable to the names mentioned in the above list.
I thought you'd like that post!
It's also kind of funny that you can't challenge anything I've written either, because the point I've made cannot be disputed.
I don’t think anyone has any right to criticise Jemall Charlo’s middleweight title challenger credentials or his choice of opponent for his next bout when you consider the amount of praise GGG received for facing those guys I listed.
Re: Jacobs had a pretty tough fight with Derev. Props to D.J for taking tough fights unlike the kitty sisters
Posted: 31 Oct 2018, 11:41
by jamamb
funny thing is apollo was creaming himself to murata vs ggg
Re: Jacobs had a pretty tough fight with Derev. Props to D.J for taking tough fights unlike the kitty sisters
Posted: 31 Oct 2018, 12:06
by boxing_rocks
Ignore Enf4ckedOne. He conveniently didn't mention facts that Brook volunteered when Eubank Jr pulled out at the last moment and Vanes volunteered when Canelo was suspended too close to the scheduled date.
Re: Jacobs had a pretty tough fight with Derev. Props to D.J for taking tough fights unlike the kitty sisters
Posted: 31 Oct 2018, 12:24
by Onetimeonly
jamamb wrote: ↑31 Oct 2018, 11:41
funny thing is apollo was creaming himself to murata vs ggg
He also loves andrade and his epic resume.
Re: Jacobs had a pretty tough fight with Derev. Props to D.J for taking tough fights unlike the kitty sisters
Posted: 31 Oct 2018, 13:12
by apollo creed
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑31 Oct 2018, 12:06
Ignore Enf4ckedOne. He conveniently didn't mention facts that Brook volunteered when Eubank Jr pulled out at the last moment and Vanes volunteered when Canelo was suspended too close to the scheduled date.
They are the same clowns that were ranting some time ago that GGG must fight Lara and Ward.
Now they have no argument about Jermall's poor resume at mw.
Re: Jacobs had a pretty tough fight with Derev. Props to D.J for taking tough fights unlike the kitty sisters
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑31 Oct 2018, 12:06
Ignore Enf4ckedOne. He conveniently didn't mention facts that Brook volunteered when Eubank Jr pulled out at the last moment and Vanes volunteered when Canelo was suspended too close to the scheduled date.
They are the same clowns that were ranting some time ago that GGG must fight Lara and Ward.
Now they have no argument about Jermall's poor resume at mw.
You've quoted a post that doesn't exist. Also, my post is factually-accurate. Trying to justify the reason for two bouts doesn't explain fifteen poor quality opponents. Finally, the reasons being cited for those two bouts taking place are technically incorrect.
Re: Jacobs had a pretty tough fight with Derev. Props to D.J for taking tough fights unlike the kitty sisters
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 Oct 2018, 09:33
I agree with what you’ve both said, but it’s also important to note that many fighters either receive world title opportunities or are even given a world championship belts despite having never earned it…
For instance:
• Who did GGG beat in order to gain the WBC title?
• Who did GGG beat to capture the WBA title?
Also, if we review the resumes’ of several world title contenders that GGG faced (based on their middleweight accomplishments at the time they entered the ring against the Kazakh):
Date: 05/05/2018 Opponent: Vanes Martirosyan Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked Had never beaten a top fighter, was inactive for two years, gained only one victory (coupled with two losses) within the previous 3½ years, wasn't a middleweight and wasn’t rated in the top fifteen of the IBO, WBA & WBC. Vanes Martirosyan's resume was so bad that the IBF understandably refused to sanction the career long 154lb-er as a viable opponent for GGG.
Date: 10/09/16 Opponent: Kell Brook Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked A 12-year veteran welterweight that had never scored a clear-cut decisive victory over any top-ten world class 147lb-er. The Brit wasn't a middleweight and had never faced a world-rated opponent above 147lbs.
Date: 23/04/16 Opponent: Dominic Wade Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked A lightly-regarded opponent whose only accomplishment was scoring a controversial decision victory over a 41 year old shot version of Sam Soliman
Date: 16/05/15 Opponent: Willie Monroe Jr Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked A former light middleweight that was lightly-regarded and was untested, having never previously competed against a top-ten world-rated middleweight prior to the Golovkin bout
Date: 18/10/14 Opponent: Marco Antonio Rubio Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 8 A former welterweight and two-time failed world title challenger, with six losses on his resume, that had previously been dominated or stopped by Chavez Jr. and Pavlik
Date: 01/02/14 Opponent: Osumanu Adama Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked One-time failed world title challenger, a former light middleweight and a lightly-regarded opponent
Date: 02/11/13 Opponent: Curtis Stevens Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 11 An anonimous fighter that had already lost three times prior to facing Golovkin, one of them to the lightly regarded Jessie Brinkley
Date: 29/06/13 Opponent: Matthew Macklin Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 7 A former welterweight, one time failed world title challenger and entered the ring against GGG having lost two of his previous three bouts
Date: 30/03/13 Opponent: Nobuhiro Ishida Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked A former light middleweight that had failed to win ten of his bouts, entered the ring against Golovkin having tasted defeat in his previous two outings
Date: 19/01/13 Opponent: Gabriel Rosado Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked A former light middleweight, having lost five fights, that had never previously engaged in either a 160lb bout nor a world title fight
Date: 01/09/12 Opponent: Grzegorz Proksa Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 10 A former light middleweight that was defeated in one of his previous three bouts immediately prior to facing Golovkin and was also a former light middleweight Date: 12/05/12 Opponent: Makoto Fuchigami Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked An anonimous fighter that had already lost six times
Date: 09/12/11 Opponent: Lajuan Simon Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked A failed world title challenger that had lost three of his previous five bouts at the time he fought Golovkin… and had even lost his previous bout immediately prior to facing GGG
Date: 17/06/11 Opponent: Kassim Ouma Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked A former welterweight contender and 154lb world champion that had tasted defeat in five of his previous seven bouts at the time he entered the ring against Golovkin
And whilst I anticipate people attempting to defend the calibre of opposition the Kazakh fought by falsely claiming that “it wasn't his fault, because everybody was far too scared to fight GGG!”, there's a strange and factually-undeniable absence of any financial offers from Golovkin's representatives to face any of his big name rivals during the above time period.
It’s fairly reasonable to propose a compellingly strong argument that supports the notion that Jermall Charlo’s resume is either vastly superior or at least comparable to the names mentioned in the above list.
I thought you'd like that post!
It's also kind of funny that you can't challenge anything I've written either, because the point I've made cannot be disputed.
I don’t think anyone has any right to criticise Jemall Charlo’s middleweight title challenger credentials or his choice of opponent for his next bout when you consider the amount of praise GGG received for facing those guys I listed.
Uhmmm let's see, crippled Heiland, stiff Centeno Jr and featherfisted-chined Willie Monroe are making Mall to be in top 5 guys at mw ?? When this guy is gonna step up vs Jacobs, BJS, Lemieux, Brant or even Andrade ?
Re: Jacobs had a pretty tough fight with Derev. Props to D.J for taking tough fights unlike the kitty sisters
Posted: 31 Oct 2018, 13:20
by apollo creed
Mall has to prove himself at mw.
Re: Jacobs had a pretty tough fight with Derev. Props to D.J for taking tough fights unlike the kitty sisters
It's also kind of funny that you can't challenge anything I've written either, because the point I've made cannot be disputed.
I don’t think anyone has any right to criticise Jemall Charlo’s middleweight title challenger credentials or his choice of opponent for his next bout when you consider the amount of praise GGG received for facing those guys I listed.
Uhmmm let's see, crippled Heiland, stiff Centeno Jr and featherfisted-chined Willie Monroe are making Mall to be in top 5 guys at mw ?? When this guy is gonna step up vs Jacobs, BJS, Lemieux, Brant or even Andrade ?
Are you trying to create a diversion to change the topic of our discussion, because you're uncomfortable justifying the type of opponents that GGG receives praise for facing, with fight fans implementing a completely different set of rules and standards to Jermall Charlo?
Re: Jacobs had a pretty tough fight with Derev. Props to D.J for taking tough fights unlike the kitty sisters
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 Oct 2018, 11:33
I thought you'd like that post!
It's also kind of funny that you can't challenge anything I've written either, because the point I've made cannot be disputed.
I don’t think anyone has any right to criticise Jemall Charlo’s middleweight title challenger credentials or his choice of opponent for his next bout when you consider the amount of praise GGG received for facing those guys I listed.
Uhmmm let's see, crippled Heiland, stiff Centeno Jr and featherfisted-chined Willie Monroe are making Mall to be in top 5 guys at mw ?? When this guy is gonna step up vs Jacobs, BJS, Lemieux, Brant or even Andrade ?
Are you trying to create a diversion to change the topic of our discussion, because you're uncomfortable justifying the type of opponents that GGG receives praise for facing, with fight fans implementing a completely different set of rules and standards to Jermall Charlo?
It's factually-undeniable for anyone who follows this sport that Mall's resume is trash for a top 5 ranked mw. I mean even Maciej Sulecki has a better resume at mw than Mall. Period!
Re: Jacobs had a pretty tough fight with Derev. Props to D.J for taking tough fights unlike the kitty sisters
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑31 Oct 2018, 12:24
He also loves andrade and his epic resume.
At least Andrade has a major title. It's not his fault that BJS has pulled out.
Andrades middle resume is much worse than jermalls. Yet you sob about charlos every day. Checkmate assface.
Well Onemonkey you are basically admitting that Jermall's resume is worse. As I said Andrade is a full mw champion.
Re: Jacobs had a pretty tough fight with Derev. Props to D.J for taking tough fights unlike the kitty sisters
Posted: 31 Oct 2018, 13:52
by Onetimeonly
Worse than whom? You're the obsessed little creature, they're both quite good and could beat anyone at 160. You just need to focus your hate on andrade. Jermall is more accomplished at 54 & 60. You're welcome.
Re: Jacobs had a pretty tough fight with Derev. Props to D.J for taking tough fights unlike the kitty sisters
Posted: 31 Oct 2018, 14:22
by apollo creed
"is much worse than jermalls"
You fcking little knob , you admited it! It implies that Mall's resume is worse which is factually correct.
Re: Jacobs had a pretty tough fight with Derev. Props to D.J for taking tough fights unlike the kitty sisters
Posted: 31 Oct 2018, 14:30
by apollo creed
At 3.00 King Jacobs tamed that 'lion' and make him meowing.
Re: Jacobs had a pretty tough fight with Derev. Props to D.J for taking tough fights unlike the kitty sisters
Posted: 31 Oct 2018, 14:46
by Onetimeonly
apollo creed wrote: ↑31 Oct 2018, 14:22
"is much worse than jermalls"
You fcking little knob , you admited it! It implies that Mall's resume is worse which is factually correct.
I pity your level of stupid.
Re: Jacobs had a pretty tough fight with Derev. Props to D.J for taking tough fights unlike the kitty sisters
Posted: 31 Oct 2018, 15:42
by IsaL
Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑29 Oct 2018, 13:15
Threads like this make me look for a different boxing forum to post on.
Good luck finding anything better LOL
Re: Jacobs had a pretty tough fight with Derev. Props to D.J for taking tough fights unlike the kitty sisters
apollo creed wrote: ↑31 Oct 2018, 14:22
"is much worse than jermalls"
You fcking little knob , you admited it! It implies that Mall's resume is worse which is factually correct.
I pity your level of stupid.
Why are you still here son ? I'm talking facts! A poor resume is a poor resume no matter how you slice it or dice it!
Re: Jacobs had a pretty tough fight with Derev. Props to D.J for taking tough fights unlike the kitty sisters
Posted: 04 Nov 2018, 13:57
by ironbeard
Jacobs has taken the 0s of three solid MWs in the last 12 months. People can talk all the sh!t they want about Arias, Sulecki, and Derevyanchenko but their only losses to date are to Jacobs.
Arias and Sulecki both fight in the next two weeks. Let’s see what they have post Jacobs.
Charlo want to step up to a Derev fight?
Jacobs DESERVES Canelo in May.
Re: Jacobs had a pretty tough fight with Derev. Props to D.J for taking tough fights unlike the kitty sisters
Posted: 04 Nov 2018, 14:21
by apollo creed
ironbeard wrote: ↑04 Nov 2018, 13:57
Jacobs has taken the 0s of three solid MWs in the last 12 months. People can talk all the sh!t they want about Arias, Sulecki, and Derevyanchenko but their only losses to date are to Jacobs.
Arias and Sulecki both fight in the next two weeks. Let’s see what they have post Jacobs.
the only fact is you've got an unhealthy obsession with the charlos and don't know what you're talking about. Slim is equally ignorant to the sport.
belt holders moving up in weight getting shots is standard. I wonder if the same whiners are pissed off at canelo/fielding or expect usyk to start from scratch? They always say charlos too. Jermell is building a strong resume at 54.
