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Posted: **11 Nov 2018, 10:35**

He boxed out of skin last night for the first few rounds, unfortunately at too high a pace to keep it up for more then 5 or 6. He lost to a (probably) future hall of famer last night and did himself proud.

I like him at the end of the day, heart on his sleeve kind of bloke, wouldn't want to be trapped with him in a lift or at a party for too long, but a good hearted bloke and a good boxer who in the end managed to transcend most people's expectations of him.

Posted: **11 Nov 2018, 10:40**

I never encountered him on here, but he seems a reasonable enough guy (as long as he’s not talking about himself). He’s certainly made the most of his ability, so good luck to him.

Posted: **11 Nov 2018, 11:20**

astradamus wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 06:12
garethhop wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 04:16 Glad he got exposed so badly last night, albeit by a top level fighter.

Tony was a fringe level world cruiserweight, with an elite character that made him a lot of money, and a lot of money more than other much more talented British peers than him.

Anyone who think a few million ‘sets your children’ up for life needs to re-read a few football and boxing autobiographies to see how that can often play out,

I’m glad Tony is off the scene now, Hope he is ok though, his post fight repetition of sentences was tough to watch.

On a side note, Smith and Froch did an embarrassing job last night.
Bellew exposed? He was ahead in points against the greatest cruiserweight of the century?

I think Bellew had an awesome and amazing carreer and I'm happy he finished it like this. Beïng very very competative against an absolute pound for pound legend in his own weightclass.

Great post.

Posted: **11 Nov 2018, 11:30**

sparrow_1 wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 07:21
SAPFO wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 05:24
garethhop wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 04:16 Anyone who think a few million ‘sets your children’ up for life needs to re-read a few football and boxing autobiographies to see how that can often play out.
Tony is balls deep into property. He’ll have a healthy residual income.
Balls deep?

Bellews balls have been that big that they are now by his knees, so technically he’s not too exposed. I exaggerated.

Posted: **11 Nov 2018, 11:38**

SAPFO wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 11:30
sparrow_1 wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 07:21
SAPFO wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 05:24

Tony is balls deep into property. He’ll have a healthy residual income.
Balls deep?
Bellews balls have been that big that they are now by his knees, so technically he’s not too exposed. I exaggerated.

"Exposed"? You like him very much. I get that.

Posted: **11 Nov 2018, 11:57**

Dont understand the hate for tony - he has had an amazing career ppl could only dream of doing what he has

Posted: **11 Nov 2018, 12:04**

REEVE wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 11:57 Dont understand the hate for tony - he has had an amazing career ppl could only dream of doing what he has

He does talk a lot of shite but you have to admire someone who has become a multi millionaire the hard way,good luck to him.

Posted: **11 Nov 2018, 12:18**

I think underneath all the gobby bravado acting bit he is a really sound bloke .

Enjoy your retirement fella , you have earnt it .

Posted: **11 Nov 2018, 12:24**

rd350lc wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 12:18 I think underneath all the gobby bravado acting bit he is a really sound bloke .

Enjoy your retirement fella , you have earnt it .

I agree with that.

I thought it would be unbearable if he'd somehow pulled it off last night but now I feel a little bit sad that its all over for him, like him or loathe him he made people talk about the sport.

Good luck Bomber and thanks for the memories

Posted: **11 Nov 2018, 13:38**

rd350lc wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 12:18 I think underneath all the gobby bravado acting bit he is a really sound bloke .

Enjoy your retirement fella , you have earnt it .

Yeah id agree with that. When he's talking normally he seems a decent enough guy. He knows how to sell a fight. Talent alone wouldn't have earned him the money he has so all the bravado has worked wonders for him. Fair play.

Hope he enjoys his retirement and doesn't become another Sky cheerleader.

Posted: **11 Nov 2018, 14:54**

SAPFO wrote: ↑10 Nov 2018, 21:29 I write this load of illiterate waffle assuming you’re still lurking, which knowing how big of a boxing fan you a actually are, you probably still do lurk around Boxrec now and again, so I’d just like to congratulate you on a very successful career...

..You can retire proud in the knowledge that you’ve lived the dream that all of us here would love to live...

....You've set your Mrs & kids up for life...

...And you’ve achieved more than 99.9% of your fellow professional fighters could only EVER dream of, not only in becoming a World Champion, but also success in the ‘modern’ measure of boxing success , which is waking away from this brutal, unforgiving, and lonely sport, with a big bag of money, faculties, and dignity, fully intact !!!

You’ve always believed in yourself, even when others gave you no chance! You’ve been a total emotional wreck at times, and you’ve split opinion, but that’s boxing!! And ultimatey, all that us fans actually want is action, and you’ve given us action consistently, be it winning or losing. You’ve always wanted to fight the best available.

We’ve all been on this emotional rollercoaster with you, if only anonymously looking in as just mere boxing fans. All through those dark days, & hard camps, you’ve rarely been off the British forum front page here, even if it’s just people giving you a sly dig, it’s only because they care enough to bother. Your even a regular on the Current Scene these days, you’ve made it!!

We’re a few months apart in age, and we come from a similar background. Me & mine have a good life, but it takes me 2 jobs of graft and whatever else it takes to give my family that life. Your 35!! And you’ve already “clocked” this game of life financially!!

Tony, hats off you. Don’t ever look back with regrets, you’ve given it your all, you’ve always been true to yourself. Usyk will go on to greatness I feel, and you gave him his hardest night to date, outboxing him for a large portion of the fight. Your a realist, you know the score, you gained Usyk’s respect tonight.

Anyway, enough of my pointless waffling. Huge respect from me, and hopefully many others on here. Enjoy ‘retirement’., and stay busy on Sky, where it seems you’ve found a home post retirement.

And just to end......,. Just think back to being down in the 4th against Ajisafe, and look at your life now......!

(I’m sure we had a few games of COD back in the day when we had a Boxrec PS3/4 group)

Dya know what mate i felt the same,iv had abit of a disagreement on here with bomber1 before he beat chilemba and abit previous to that but i said the same thing to anyone who got in my taxi over the past 2 years,tony love him or hate him has done things in boxing that even he didnt think he woukd achieve,i am silently proud as a fan of the sport of boxing and as a guy who has exchanged words on here with him ,to see what he has done and im happy for him,his wife and his family. Tony believed he coukd beat anyone he got in the ring with,he had a style of fighting that to a boxing fan looked basic but he could find his range pretty good and (even though we take the piss) has tremendous power that onky a few elite fighters could take and still carry on fighting.

Well done Bomber1 i hope you live your life with fulfilment and not regret now go and take a holiday and maybe pass on your knowledge to an up and comer

Posted: **11 Nov 2018, 15:28**

thechump wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 14:54
SAPFO wrote: ↑10 Nov 2018, 21:29 I write this load of illiterate waffle assuming you’re still lurking, which knowing how big of a boxing fan you a actually are, you probably still do lurk around Boxrec now and again, so I’d just like to congratulate you on a very successful career...

..You can retire proud in the knowledge that you’ve lived the dream that all of us here would love to live...

....You've set your Mrs & kids up for life...

...And you’ve achieved more than 99.9% of your fellow professional fighters could only EVER dream of, not only in becoming a World Champion, but also success in the ‘modern’ measure of boxing success , which is waking away from this brutal, unforgiving, and lonely sport, with a big bag of money, faculties, and dignity, fully intact !!!

You’ve always believed in yourself, even when others gave you no chance! You’ve been a total emotional wreck at times, and you’ve split opinion, but that’s boxing!! And ultimatey, all that us fans actually want is action, and you’ve given us action consistently, be it winning or losing. You’ve always wanted to fight the best available.

We’ve all been on this emotional rollercoaster with you, if only anonymously looking in as just mere boxing fans. All through those dark days, & hard camps, you’ve rarely been off the British forum front page here, even if it’s just people giving you a sly dig, it’s only because they care enough to bother. Your even a regular on the Current Scene these days, you’ve made it!!

We’re a few months apart in age, and we come from a similar background. Me & mine have a good life, but it takes me 2 jobs of graft and whatever else it takes to give my family that life. Your 35!! And you’ve already “clocked” this game of life financially!!

Tony, hats off you. Don’t ever look back with regrets, you’ve given it your all, you’ve always been true to yourself. Usyk will go on to greatness I feel, and you gave him his hardest night to date, outboxing him for a large portion of the fight. Your a realist, you know the score, you gained Usyk’s respect tonight.

Anyway, enough of my pointless waffling. Huge respect from me, and hopefully many others on here. Enjoy ‘retirement’., and stay busy on Sky, where it seems you’ve found a home post retirement.

And just to end......,. Just think back to being down in the 4th against Ajisafe, and look at your life now......!

(I’m sure we had a few games of COD back in the day when we had a Boxrec PS3/4 group)

Dya know what mate i felt the same,iv had abit of a disagreement on here with bomber1 before he beat chilemba and abit previous to that but i said the same thing to anyone who got in my taxi over the past 2 years,tony love him or hate him has done things in boxing that even he didnt think he woukd achieve,i am silently proud as a fan of the sport of boxing and as a guy who has exchanged words on here with him ,to see what he has done and im happy for him,his wife and his family. Tony believed he coukd beat anyone he got in the ring with,he had a style of fighting that to a boxing fan looked basic but he could find his range pretty good and (even though we take the piss) has tremendous power that onky a few elite fighters could take and still carry on fighting.

Well done Bomber1 i hope you live your life with fulfilment and not regret now go and take a holiday and maybe pass on your knowledge to an up and comer

Posted: **11 Nov 2018, 15:33**

sparrow_1 wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 11:38
SAPFO wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 11:30
sparrow_1 wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 07:21

Balls deep?
Bellews balls have been that big that they are now by his knees, so technically he’s not too exposed. I exaggerated.

"Exposed"? You like him very much. I get that.

I can relate mate, plus I'm showing my respect for a man who gave his blood & consciousness for our entertainment.

Bellew was very much an active, & entertaining part of this forum at one point. There is no harm in the posters who remember those days dropping a respectful word or two on his retirement from the game.

If you've got nothing but disrespectful hate to spew, maybe you're in the wrong thread?

Posted: **11 Nov 2018, 16:02**

Just from a boxing perspective he’s over-rated completely.
Heard a lot of the worlds like legend or a great last night.
The reality is his best win was Makabu. British cruisers. He’s behind Haye, Nelson and Thompson. Maybe even Enzo.

But there hasn’t been a modern day fighter who’s over-achieved financially and fame wise like Bellew.
He’s done well for himself.

Posted: **11 Nov 2018, 16:43**

SAPFO wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 15:33
sparrow_1 wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 11:38
SAPFO wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 11:30

Bellews balls have been that big that they are now by his knees, so technically he’s not too exposed. I exaggerated.

"Exposed"? You like him very much. I get that.

I can relate mate, plus I'm showing my respect for a man who gave his blood & consciousness for our entertainment.

Bellew was very much an active, & entertaining part of this forum at one point. There is no harm in the posters who remember those days dropping a respectful word or two on his retirement from the game.

If you've got nothing but disrespectful hate to spew, maybe you're in the wrong thread?

Maybe you need to change the thread title then to praising Bellend or something similar. Don’t have to be a rocket scientist to guess that a thread called Bomber1 (Tony Bellew) is going to get a lot of divided opinions.

Posted: **11 Nov 2018, 16:54**

I never took to Bellew mostly centred on his antics in that press conference with Cleverleh (think that’s where he learned that this is what sells to casuals so kept doing it), his antics on here over Warmachine and then the Stevenson fight. After that I never really tuned in to his fights apart from Haye and last night.

However credit where credits due. He’s vastly over achieved and made a decent wedge for him and his family and i have to give credit to someone doing this with the skill set he has. When he’s not screaming at ringside or toeing the company line he can come across very well. He’s actually someone I’d like to have a beer with as the boxing journalists that I know that know him and the people I know that have met him talk about someone very different to the persona he puts on for the public.

I genuinely wish him well for the future and hope he stays involved in the sport maybe as an AM trainer or mentoring the next generation.

Genuine question - his power, overrated? His KO % is something like 59% with the vast majority being TKOs I never saw him as a knockout artist and the % will be flawed with Haye for examples ankle going being in that total.

What’s everyone’s thoughts?

Posted: **11 Nov 2018, 17:42**

I like Bellew and will miss him from boxing. I don’t really care that people are trying to pick apart his career, I enjoyed watching him and having him involved in the great sport of boxing. I wish him nothing but the best for the future.

Posted: **11 Nov 2018, 20:10**

SAPFO wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 15:33
sparrow_1 wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 11:38
SAPFO wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 11:30

Bellews balls have been that big that they are now by his knees, so technically he’s not too exposed. I exaggerated.

"Exposed"? You like him very much. I get that.

I can relate mate, plus I'm showing my respect for a man who gave his blood & consciousness for our entertainment.

Bellew was very much an active, & entertaining part of this forum at one point. There is no harm in the posters who remember those days dropping a respectful word or two on his retirement from the game.

If you've got nothing but disrespectful hate to spew, maybe you're in the wrong thread?

No disrespect to the boxer intended at all. It's some of your bizarre turns of phrase I don't get...

"Bellews balls have been that big that they are now by his knees, so technically he’s not too exposed. I exaggerated.

What??

Followed by a fish on a hook. Very queer.

When you use more normal language, you're easier to follow. This for instance, is very well said, I think:

"Bellew was very much an active, & entertaining part of this forum at one point. There is no harm in the posters who remember those days dropping a respectful word or two on his retirement from the game.

For me, even though I only listened on the radio, I thought Bellew's draw against the Welshman was a highly creditable result. I never expected it. I think Cleverly was pre-Kovalev at that time, and to me he looked almost like an immovable object. Very tough man to beat on his night.

Posted: **12 Nov 2018, 04:02**

sparrow_1 wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 20:10
For me, even though I only listened on the radio, I thought Bellew's draw against the Welshman was a highly creditable result. I never expected it. I think Cleverly was pre-Kovalev at that time, and to me he looked almost like an immovable object. Very tough man to beat on his night.

It wasn't a draw. Cleverly won.

Posted: **12 Nov 2018, 04:04**

bellews resume of wins is pretty solid, ya there are holes to pick and its not like he was some absolute elite world class fighter, but overall he had a good career

people go on about how he always won vacant titles, but at pretty much all those levels he beat guys who were clearly on that level, example beating masternak for the ebu, beating ovill in a british title fight, beating ajisafe in a commonwealth fight, etc

makabu was in most world top 10 lists when bellew beat him for the wbc, he wasnt awful and he was the slight favourite i think. the haye wins were nice even though haye obviously wasnt what he was. chilemba was probably lower top 10 at lhw and is an underrated win imo, even though it came in a rematch.

Posted: **12 Nov 2018, 04:09**

He’s hardly likely to be leaving the sport completely. He’ll be one of Smiths yes men, shilling PPVs mercilessly alongside Nelson.

Posted: **12 Nov 2018, 04:16**

I think he had a pretty decent career. Won British, Commonwealth, Euro and world titles. Lost to Cleverly but beat him in the rematch. Lost to Stevenson and Usyk who are both very good fighters, Stevenson you could argue Bellew was weight drained and he moved to CW straight afterwards. Plus beat Haye twice against all the odds, yes Haye wasn't the same fighter he used to be but still decent wins. A better resume than a lot of fighters.

Posted: **12 Nov 2018, 04:38**

Controversial wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 04:16 I think he had a pretty decent career. Won British, Commonwealth, Euro and world titles. Lost to Cleverly but beat him in the rematch. Lost to Stevenson and Usyk who are both very good fighters, Stevenson you could argue Bellew was weight drained and he moved to CW straight afterwards. Plus beat Haye twice against all the odds, yes Haye wasn't the same fighter he used to be but still decent wins. A better resume than a lot of fighters.

He lost a close fight with cleverly then beat him in a rematch at cruiser weight ( Cleverly should of never gone to CW). He moved to CW cos Stevenson battered him and he weren't gonna do anything at the weight. Yeah he struggled to make weight but most fighters do. the first time he boxed Haye he was losing until the injury. Haye was a shell of his former self and was yet still fancied by many in the rematch down to the fact that Bellew just wasn't world class. He talked himself into big fights and fair play he's earnt a lot of money but he will not be remembered as anything other than a average fighter with a big Character

Posted: **12 Nov 2018, 04:41**

Controversial wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 04:16 I think he had a pretty decent career. Won British, Commonwealth, Euro and world titles. Lost to Cleverly but beat him in the rematch. Lost to Stevenson and Usyk who are both very good fighters, Stevenson you could argue Bellew was weight drained and he moved to CW straight afterwards. Plus beat Haye twice against all the odds, yes Haye wasn't the same fighter he used to be but still decent wins. A better resume than a lot of fighters.

ya this sums it up for me

Posted: **12 Nov 2018, 05:33**

I think Bellew will look back at his career with a lot of contentment.
Money wise, outside of Lennox, Haye, AJ, Naz, JC, Khan and Hatton he has prob outearned the rest.
Dared to dream and made the most of his talent.

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