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bigjack wrote: ↑18 Nov 2018, 08:43

astradamus wrote: ↑18 Nov 2018, 08:30 At the same weight? Now that's very hard to imagine.

Wlad is superior in every way, way bigger, stronger, more skilled, more intelligent, everything.

Wlad would absolutely destroy him in about 2 rounds, it wouldn't even be competative. Even right now, he would probably have the odds. There's a reason why Wilder begged him to retire after his last fight, Wilder was obviously scared for him and so he should be.

Except in the chin department,several ko losses v no ko losses.

I don't know if wilder has a better chin, but he has better stamina.

klitschko, KO7

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Nov 2018, 18:42

bigjack wrote: ↑18 Nov 2018, 08:43

astradamus wrote: ↑18 Nov 2018, 08:30 At the same weight? Now that's very hard to imagine.

Wlad is superior in every way, way bigger, stronger, more skilled, more intelligent, everything.

Wlad would absolutely destroy him in about 2 rounds, it wouldn't even be competative. Even right now, he would probably have the odds. There's a reason why Wilder begged him to retire after his last fight, Wilder was obviously scared for him and so he should be.

Except in the chin department,several ko losses v no ko losses.

I don't know if wilder has a better chin, but he has better stamina.

really?

man wrote: ↑20 Nov 2018, 18:05

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Nov 2018, 18:42

bigjack wrote: ↑18 Nov 2018, 08:43

Except in the chin department,several ko losses v no ko losses.

I don't know if wilder has a better chin, but he has better stamina.

really?

Absolutely

Deontay's stamina hasn't been found wanting but then it has never really had a serious examination. Ortiz gave him his toughest fight but didn't last into the championship rounds.

He went the full distance with Stiverne first time around but Stiverne wasn't good enough to do much more than chug after him, following him around ther ring eating punches. Deontay wasn't really forced to work hard.

I've no reason to think he hasn't got good stamina but that's an impression I get, there isn't an abundance of hard evidence.

If the Ortiz fight wasn't concrete evidence, I don't know what is. Wlad gassed and was stopped in fights like that.

At their respective peaks I like Wlad.

lol have you guys not followed wlads career? the whole jab and grab super low output strategy was asmuch a way for wlad to deal with his poor stamina as it was his chin

he lost to brewster and purrity because of stamina not chin, i dont see why thered be doubt that wilder has better stamina

jamamb wrote: ↑21 Nov 2018, 09:17 lol have you guys not followed wlads career? the whole jab and grab super low output strategy was asmuch a way for wlad to deal with his poor stamina as it was his chin

he lost to brewster and purrity because of stamina not chin, i dont see why thered be doubt that wilder has better stamina

..there should be a reason why they'd been babysittting Wilder for such a long time till he finally stepped up..

greg wrote: ↑21 Nov 2018, 11:28 ..there should be a reason why they'd been babysittting Wilder for such a long time till he finally stepped up..

If there isn't a reason, and Wilder's for real, that would be catastrophically bad management!

greg wrote: ↑21 Nov 2018, 11:28 ..there should be a reason why they'd been babysittting Wilder for such a long time till he finally stepped up..

He first picked up boxing at 20 y/o which is why (management says) they fought him often but against less than stellar opposition.

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Nov 2018, 16:57

greg wrote: ↑21 Nov 2018, 11:28 ..there should be a reason why they'd been babysittting Wilder for such a long time till he finally stepped up..

He first picked up boxing at 20 y/o which is why (management says) they fought him often but against less than stellar opposition.

Deontay Wilder is in his fourteenth year of participating in the sport of boxing and possesses more than a decades’ worth of experience in the pro ranks.

He has more experience than the majority of his peers.

For example: Anthony Joshua’s first amateur bout took place only a year prior to Deontay Wilder’s prob debut.

AJ has only been a pro for five years.

Deontay turned pro with the intention of being a journeyman. His main source of income was delivering beer. He took any fights he could get.

marvelous marv wrote: ↑21 Nov 2018, 21:08 Deontay turned pro with the intention of being a journeyman. His main source of income was delivering beer. He took any fights he could get.

lol but why such lowly ambitions though? he was an olympic medalist signed with a major promoter, he shouldve been thinking beyond becoming a journeyman

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Nov 2018, 20:28

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Nov 2018, 16:57

greg wrote: ↑21 Nov 2018, 11:28 ..there should be a reason why they'd been babysittting Wilder for such a long time till he finally stepped up..

He first picked up boxing at 20 y/o which is why (management says) they fought him often but against less than stellar opposition.

Deontay Wilder is in his fourteenth year of participating in the sport of boxing and possesses more than a decades’ worth of experience in the pro ranks.

He has more experience than the majority of his peers.

For example: Anthony Joshua’s first amateur bout took place only a year prior to Deontay Wilder’s prob debut.

AJ has only been a pro for five years.

That's a bit deceiving though. 20 years of age is late to pick up a new discipline and try to master it. For example, in most cases, someone picking up boxing at 14 years old would be much more developed after 5 years of boxing than someone who was 5 years into the sport having picked it up at 20 years old.

Wilder has never kept it a secret that he needed more time to develop. He understands he is probably as far as he's going to get now.

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑22 Nov 2018, 19:29

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Nov 2018, 20:28

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Nov 2018, 16:57

He first picked up boxing at 20 y/o which is why (management says) they fought him often but against less than stellar opposition.

Deontay Wilder is in his fourteenth year of participating in the sport of boxing and possesses more than a decades’ worth of experience in the pro ranks.

He has more experience than the majority of his peers.

For example: Anthony Joshua’s first amateur bout took place only a year prior to Deontay Wilder’s prob debut.

AJ has only been a pro for five years.

That's a bit deceiving though. 20 years of age is late to pick up a new discipline and try to master it. For example, in most cases, someone picking up boxing at 14 years old would be much more developed after 5 years of boxing than someone who was 5 years into the sport having picked it up at 20 years old.

Wilder has never kept it a secret that he needed more time to develop. He understands he is probably as far as he's going to get now.

What’s deceiving about what I wrote, because statistically speaking, I’ve listed facts?

Also, there’s only a four year age gap between Joshua and Wilder, which means that the American still possessed more experience four years ago (in terms of career longevity) than the Brit does now.

Look, I’m happy to be proven wrong, but it’s nigh on impossible to dismiss Wilder’s overall experience in the sport of boxing (in terms of the length of his career and his title reign), when you compare it to his big name peers.

Wilder’s entire reputation is wholly reliant on his victory over Luis Ortiz, but who has the elderly Cuban ever defeated that is universally deemed as being particularly impressive? Has ‘King Kong’ really earned his fearsome reputation?

Whenever Fergus speaks out of turn or is wrong he/she just types a million words.

This is a tough one to call. Wilder proved a lot vs Ortiz, but then Wlad proved a lot vs Joshua. Either could conceivably KO the other, but wlad might be favoured to land first due to his more textbook style.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Nov 2018, 09:14 If the Ortiz fight wasn't concrete evidence, I don't know what is. Wlad gassed and was stopped in fights like that.

Evidence yes, concrete? I wouldn't say concrete but he showed he could do ten rounds, one or two of them being extremely torrid, so am inclined to agree with you.

Klitschko scores a third-round KO under normal circumstance.

Wilder’s only hope would be to engage in a slugfest and try to get lucky by landing a lottery-winning crude windmill right hand, but Wladimir would have used his superior size, skill, athleticism and experience to neutralise his opponents’ primary weapon of choice and he would have also worn down Deontay really quickly.

Alternatively, if the American opted to adopt a cautious approach, as per the Ortiz bout, then it becomes a one-sided affair, inevitably resulting in Wilder taking a real beating en-route to being rescued by the referee sometime around the 8th round.

There’s just no way that Wilder would be competitive in this bout.

Prime Klit would absolutely wreck Wilder. Inside of 3 rounds as well.