Deontay Wilder vs. Wladimir Klitschko

[OH_RickNMorty]

Who would win if these two met in a ring, whilst in their prime.

Both are at a similar weight were they can still use the full extent of their skills and talent.

Who wins?!

[jamamb]

wilder kos him

[DrDuke]

Klitschko would have provided his regular plan, he would have outboxed Wilder from the start, learnt all Wilder's gaps, made him tired and knocked him out in the mid-late rounds.

[bigjack]

At the same weight? Now that's very hard to imagine.

Wlad is superior in every way, way bigger, stronger, more skilled, more intelligent, everything.

Wlad would absolutely destroy him in about 2 rounds, it wouldn't even be competative. Even right now, he would probably have the odds. There's a reason why Wilder begged him to retire after his last fight, Wilder was obviously scared for him and so he should be.

Except in the chin department,several ko losses v no ko losses.

[jamamb]

wlad didnt have better speed or stamina either

[bigjack]

At the same weight? Now that's very hard to imagine.

Wlad is superior in every way, way bigger, stronger, more skilled, more intelligent, everything.

Wlad would absolutely destroy him in about 2 rounds, it wouldn't even be competative. Even right now, he would probably have the odds. There's a reason why Wilder begged him to retire after his last fight, Wilder was obviously scared for him and so he should be.

Except in the chin department,several ko losses v no ko losses.

No wonder, Wilder never fought anyone of Klitschko his level and neither of his opponents their level.

Yes,all Wlads losses were to world beaters weren't they ?

[bigjack]

No wonder, Wilder never fought anyone of Klitschko his level and neither of his opponents their level.

Yes,all Wlads losses were to world beaters weren't they ?

Which shows even more that it didn't have much to do with his chin.

It's what we call sarcasm,i really meant they weren't especially good opponents who beat him

[bigjack]

Which shows even more that it didn't have much to do with his chin.

It's what we call sarcasm,i really meant they weren't especially good opponents who beat him

That's why I said it didn't have much to do with his chin, at most that he had an off day every once in a while well over a decade ago.

Before Manny Steward turned him into arguably one of the most boring title holders in the history of the sport,he was responsible for the worst decade in heavyweight history with his jab,jab right hand clinch,designed to offset the fact he had a weak chin,am i correct ?

[bigjack]

That's why I said it didn't have much to do with his chin, at most that he had an off day every once in a while well over a decade ago.

Before Manny Steward turned him into arguably one of the most boring title holders in the history of the sport,he was responsible for the worst decade in heavyweight history with his jab,jab right hand clinch,designed to offset the fact he had a weak chin,am i correct ?

Well he didn't seem to do that against AJ or Fury, but he did indeed win for such a long period that it seemed to become boring. A bit like Aleksandr Aleksandrovich Karelin in his era.

It wasn't the length of time he was champ,it was his negative style that turned fans away.

[Ilya Muromets]

No contest at all. Even Szpilka was beating Wilder til he got caught, as he tends to do. Wlad would have hit him at will with his pile driver jab and then KO'd him. No contest at all.

[Loki]

Who would win if these two met in a ring, whilst in their prime.

Both are at a similar weight were they can still use the full extent of their skills and talent.

Who wins?!

Klitschko outboxes him and KOs him. Klitschko was also fast in his prime and Wilders technique is awful.

[Mexi-Box]

There were rumors that Klitschko used to beat up Wilder in sparring. Anyways, this is a no-brainer. Klitschko destroys Wilder. Would've been funny if Klitschko met Wilder during his years of fighting Pulev/Haye/Povetkin. Everyone would've howled how bad the era is.

[Impractical Poster]

If Wlad could keep his chin away from Deontays right hand he would win. That's a big if given Deontay s length, speed, athleticism, and stamina. I can see Wlad pitching a shut out until getting caught. I just don't think Wlad would be able to avoid the right hand from Wilder for 12 rounds.

[Mexi-Box]

If Wlad could keep his chin away from Deontays right hand he would win. That's a big if given Deontay s length, speed, athleticism, and stamina. I can see Wlad pitching a shut out until getting caught. I just don't think Wlad would be able to avoid the right hand from Wilder for 12 rounds.

People were talking the same thing about Klitschko/Haye. No, Klitschko/Wilder wouldn't be competitive.

[Loki]

If Wlad could keep his chin away from Deontays right hand he would win. That's a big if given Deontay s length, speed, athleticism, and stamina. I can see Wlad pitching a shut out until getting caught. I just don't think Wlad would be able to avoid the right hand from Wilder for 12 rounds.

People were talking the same thing about Klitschko/Haye. No, Klitschko/Wilder wouldn't be competitive.

Haye also owned Wilder in sparring. IMO, AJ when he hits his prime would be the only HW that would trouble either Klitschko in their primes or Lewis. We will see if Fury’s win over Wlad was just a bad night soon.

[Impractical Poster]

If Wlad could keep his chin away from Deontays right hand he would win. That's a big if given Deontay s length, speed, athleticism, and stamina. I can see Wlad pitching a shut out until getting caught. I just don't think Wlad would be able to avoid the right hand from Wilder for 12 rounds.

People were talking the same thing about Klitschko/Haye. No, Klitschko/Wilder wouldn't be competitive.

Haye was quite small compared to Wlad. Wilder is taller than Wlad and has a longer reach. Haye was not as powerful a one punch ko at HW as Wilder is. Poor comparison. Pretty sure Wilder would sneak in a fastball there at some point. And then, TIMBER!

[Impractical Poster]

If Wlad could keep his chin away from Deontays right hand he would win. That's a big if given Deontay s length, speed, athleticism, and stamina. I can see Wlad pitching a shut out until getting caught. I just don't think Wlad would be able to avoid the right hand from Wilder for 12 rounds.

People were talking the same thing about Klitschko/Haye. No, Klitschko/Wilder wouldn't be competitive.

Haye also owned Wilder in sparring. IMO, AJ when he hits his prime would be the only HW that would trouble either Klitschko in their primes or Lewis. We will see if Fury’s win over Wlad was just a bad night soon.

Wasn't a bad night. Wlad was trained to use his size to keep his opponents at bay eliminating as much risk as possible in getting that suspect chin tagged. Fury, by far a graceful fighter, just had to use his superior size to touch Wlad first and play defense. Cause Wlad sure as shit wasn't going to go straight in on Fury and risk getting koed. Wilder has the superior length and reach. He is no as fundamentally sound as Wlad, but he would bide his time and put Wlad's lights out when the time was right.

[punchoutsb]

Klitschko easily.

[marvelous marv]

Wlad has said about Wilder that he is very athletic and has ferocious power. It is extremely difficult to predict where his punches come from. His downside is that his lack of an amateur background made him prone to technical mistakes under pressure.

When asked about Fury or Joshua beating Wilder he said Fury is very undisciplined both in and out of the ring. He did not like Furys chances of winning. He also said Joshua had never faced anyone like Wilder before and he would be Joshua's greatest test. He refused to predict a Joshua victory.

[jamamb]

If Wlad could keep his chin away from Deontays right hand he would win. That's a big if given Deontay s length, speed, athleticism, and stamina. I can see Wlad pitching a shut out until getting caught. I just don't think Wlad would be able to avoid the right hand from Wilder for 12 rounds.

ya i can see this, though if wlad is winning rounds and landing i certainly think he hits hard enough to where you also have to consider the possibility that a peak wlad could take wilder out too, i dont believe wilder lasting vs ortiz suddenly makes him some iron man who it can only be a case of whether he stops his opponent and not vice versa. i see that a lot actually when ppl discuss wilder vs aj too---ppl act like wilder can make mistakes but aj needs to box perfect over the distance, even though aj is plenty capable of seriously hurting and stopping wilder too if he lands a big shot.

btw how do you differentiate wilders raw natural gifts like speed and power from his altheticsm? to me his athletmism is in those qualities, its not really seperate things

[Loki]

People were talking the same thing about Klitschko/Haye. No, Klitschko/Wilder wouldn't be competitive.

Haye also owned Wilder in sparring. IMO, AJ when he hits his prime would be the only HW that would trouble either Klitschko in their primes or Lewis. We will see if Fury’s win over Wlad was just a bad night soon.

Wasn't a bad night. Wlad was trained to use his size to keep his opponents at bay eliminating as much risk as possible in getting that suspect chin tagged. Fury, by far a graceful fighter, just had to use his superior size to touch Wlad first and play defense. Cause Wlad sure as poo wasn't going to go straight in on Fury and risk getting koed. Wilder has the superior length and reach. He is no as fundamentally sound as Wlad, but he would bide his time and put Wlad's lights out when the time was right.

If you honestly think a prime Wlad loses to Wilder (of now); don’t watch anymore boxing.

[bigjack]

Well he didn't seem to do that against AJ or Fury, but he did indeed win for such a long period that it seemed to become boring. A bit like Aleksandr Aleksandrovich Karelin in his era.

It wasn't the length of time he was champ,it was his negative style that turned fans away.

Does Wilder have a negative style as well? TBH I think Mayweather his style is a lot more negative.

Compared to Klinchcon,no

[candyslim]

Wilder's power means he has a chance against literally anyone, but realistically Wlad schools him and it isn't just a question of Klitschko outboxing Deontay, he has the power to really put the hurt on him too. Ortiz was just too old and lacked the stamina to make his superior skills count. He didn't have the energy to finish Deontay when he had him hurt. Fair play, Deontay showed a champion's heart, and an ability to take a good shot and a sustained leathering, but I'm convinced that a younger Ortiz would have finished the job with or without the Doctor giving DW extra recovery time.

I've little doubt that Wlad could at least match what Ortiz could do, and the flaws in Wilder's technique should mean Wlad would find his chin with the kind of shot that dropped Joshua more easily and more frequently than he did the former Olympic champion . Wilder is very tough especially considering how long and lean he is, but AJ is almost 30lbs heavier and Wlad dropped him like a sack of potatoes. Wilder isn't super-human. I can't see him taking too many of those Joshua-dropping straight rights from Klitschko without wilting.

Deontay had every opportunity to fight Klitschko but he didn't want to know. That might not have been the boldest career-path to consistently swerve Wlad, but it well have been the smartest.

[Impractical Poster]

Haye also owned Wilder in sparring. IMO, AJ when he hits his prime would be the only HW that would trouble either Klitschko in their primes or Lewis. We will see if Fury’s win over Wlad was just a bad night soon.

Wasn't a bad night. Wlad was trained to use his size to keep his opponents at bay eliminating as much risk as possible in getting that suspect chin tagged. Fury, by far a graceful fighter, just had to use his superior size to touch Wlad first and play defense. Cause Wlad sure as poo wasn't going to go straight in on Fury and risk getting koed. Wilder has the superior length and reach. He is no as fundamentally sound as Wlad, but he would bide his time and put Wlad's lights out when the time was right.

If you honestly think a prime Wlad loses to Wilder (of now); don’t watch anymore boxing.

Sure

[Impractical Poster]

If Wlad could keep his chin away from Deontays right hand he would win. That's a big if given Deontay s length, speed, athleticism, and stamina. I can see Wlad pitching a shut out until getting caught. I just don't think Wlad would be able to avoid the right hand from Wilder for 12 rounds.

ya i can see this, though if wlad is winning rounds and landing i certainly think he hits hard enough to where you also have to consider the possibility that a peak wlad could take wilder out too, i dont believe wilder lasting vs ortiz suddenly makes him some iron man who it can only be a case of whether he stops his opponent and not vice versa. i see that a lot actually when ppl discuss wilder vs aj too---ppl act like wilder can make mistakes but aj needs to box perfect over the distance, even though aj is plenty capable of seriously hurting and stopping wilder too if he lands a big shot.

btw how do you differentiate wilders raw natural gifts like speed and power from his altheticsm? to me his athletmism is in those qualities, its not really seperate things

Valid point. Wilder could absolutely get koed. But after seeing how Fury "danced" his way to victory against Wlad, and the was Wilder took a super cautious approach up until the ko against Washington (not comparing Washington to Wlad, just the approach), I can see Wilder playing it particularly cautious and defensive losing rounds looking for his big shot.

And yes, speed is included with athleticism, but I wanted to really point out the speed attribute.