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jamamb wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 03:19 gilgamesh cant be fair to fury

Demonstrably untrue. I had him winning in lopsided fashion against Wlad. One of the worst fights I've ever seen, but he clearly won it.

I dislike Fury as much as I've ever disliked a fighter, but I don't score fights on emotions. I watch them and score what I see. Many a time I've had a guy I hate winning clear. That didn't happen tonight.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 03:21

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 03:17

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 03:13

You gotta punch to beat the other guy to the punch. In the first 4 rounds neither guy was doing a whole lot of punching, and Wilder's punches were heavier. With little going on, the more damaging punches carry the round IMO.

What was heavier? Wilder's punches didn't even land! Seriously, you need to rewatch the fight. When everyone sees something different and the only people backing you up are obvious idiots, I'd say it's time to rewatch a fight.

Straight right to the body in Round 1. Best punch of the round.

That's one example. I'd have to watch it again, but it was usually just one simple thing like that that got him the round. Fury did little to make up for these kinda shots.

The first 4 rounds weren't clear either way. They all could've went either way.

no they could not.

Anyone who saw the fight could see that outside of two knock downs, Fury was making him look like a novice.

Yeah. They could. Just standing around, and looking at a guy ain't especially impressive. I don't care if it's Fury doing it or Wilder doing it.

Bullza wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 03:23 Anyone who saw the fight could see that outside of two knock downs, Fury was making him look like a novice.

Everybody makes Wilder look like a novice, and then he connects.

and let me guess every single one of these rounds that were supposedly unclear you just so happened to score against fury

jamamb wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 03:24 and let me guess every single one of these rounds that were supposedly unclear you just so happened to score against fury

That's the way I personally saw 'em yes. I could see Fury getting one of them, and making the draw legit or winning 2 of them, and getting a narrow decision 114-112 or so, but any wider than that. I don't see it.

Who are the 3 people who had Wilder winning????

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 03:24

Bullza wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 03:23 Anyone who saw the fight could see that outside of two knock downs, Fury was making him look like a novice.

Everybody makes Wilder look like a novice, and then he connects.

Which makes all the difference -- unless that person gets back up.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 03:22

jamamb wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 03:19 gilgamesh cant be fair to fury

Demonstrably untrue. I had him winning in lopsided fashion against Wlad. One of the worst fights I've ever seen, but he clearly won it.

I dislike Fury as much as I've ever disliked a fighter, but I don't score fights on emotions. I watch them and score what I see. Many a time I've had a guy I hate winning clear. That didn't happen tonight.

Klitschko didn't give convincing reasons, it was just impossible to somehow discredit Fury's performance. Now he's had only 2 clearly lost rounds and both just because of KDs, so this settles a possibility of disputing his performance in general. However, this Fury's win will remain a win on the fans' scorecards, as the poll is already showing. The Gypsy King is The People's Champ.

115-111 Wilder is just clear corruption. The first 4 rounds for Wilder, what nonsense. You can only
give a case for 113-113 with Wilder tinted glasses on. This type of unfairness puts people off boxing and one of the reasons it will never be mainstream again. So unsatisfying after an excellent fight.

No chance can you score this for Wilder.

At a stretch you could say draw, and that's giving the few close rounds to Wilder.

I had Fury winning all rounds bar three. The 3rd and the two KD rounds were all I gave Wilder.

The rest were close Fury rounds to clear Fury rounds. Two of the judges gave ROUND 7 to Wilder. Round 7. The one where Fury landed at least three great shots on Wilder and Wilder didn't touch Fury..

When you've even got the biased American commentary team giving it to Fury, all of the American ex-boxers at ringside giving it to Fury then you know it's a robbery.

blakey9 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 03:51 115-111 Wilder is just clear corruption. The first 4 rounds for Wilder, what nonsense. You can only
give a case for 113-113 with Wilder tinted glasses on. This type of unfairness puts people off boxing and one of the reasons it will never be mainstream again. So unsatisfying after an excellent fight.

The thing is, it's the norm.

We see it time and time again, crap decisions and blatant robberies in America.

Fury might as well have gone into this three points down.

wilder always gets 'best case scenario' judging

It’s a money making exercise. A draw is the most desirable outcome. It’s like spinning a movie into two parts, double the revenue. Just like GGG v Canelo, boxing is the loser.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 03:09 Missed the 5th round. I had Wilder winning 6 rounds, so I'd have it 114-112 Wilder assuming Fury won the 5th.

6 rounds really ????.
Which ones please ......

Switch hitter wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 04:16

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 03:09 Missed the 5th round. I had Wilder winning 6 rounds, so I'd have it 114-112 Wilder assuming Fury won the 5th.

6 rounds really ????.
Which ones please ......

There wasn’t 6 rounds that he won.

5 people have special needs

116-110 Wilder.

I could see 114-112 Wilder. 113-113 was a massive stretch. Essentially, Wilder had to knock Fury out to win this fight, going in. If Fury survived and did not get the W his jockmites were going to go on a rampage.

Case closed.

I had Fury up with two points but i can see why they gave a draw

Money don't smell, but decisions do.

ironbeard wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:08 116-110 Wilder.

I could see 114-112 Wilder. 113-113 was a massive stretch. Essentially, Wilder had to knock Fury out to win this fight, going in. If Fury survived and did not get the W his jockmites were going to go on a rampage.

Case closed.

I'm speechless!

ewenhay wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:19

ironbeard wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:08 116-110 Wilder.

I could see 114-112 Wilder. 113-113 was a massive stretch. Essentially, Wilder had to knock Fury out to win this fight, going in. If Fury survived and did not get the W his jockmites were going to go on a rampage.

Case closed.

I'm speechless!

Stay that way and rewatch the fight. Fury dominated zero rounds. Most rounds were close. Fury did more clowning and lobbying than fighting.

But he did what he did well enough, to survive, completing a remarkable comeback.

Wilder hate is great. Wilder is about to make a lot more money having people watch in hopes he loses.

I am now, for the first time, a Wilder fan.

even Wilder wouldn't score it 116-110 Wilder.

ironbeard wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:26

ewenhay wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:19

ironbeard wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:08 116-110 Wilder.

I could see 114-112 Wilder. 113-113 was a massive stretch. Essentially, Wilder had to knock Fury out to win this fight, going in. If Fury survived and did not get the W his jockmites were going to go on a rampage.

Case closed.

I'm speechless!

Stay that way and rewatch the fight. Fury dominated zero rounds. Most rounds were close. Fury did more clowning and lobbying than fighting.

But he did what he did well enough, to survive, completing a remarkable comeback.

Wilder hate is great. Wilder is about to make a lot more money having people watch in hopes he loses.

I am now, for the first time, a Wilder fan.

I'm speechless for two readons

Firstly that you scored the fight 8 4 to Wilder

Secondly that you believe the judges were made to score it a draw in case some British fans started a fight.

You've lost the plot