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Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 02:34**

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 20:48

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 03:50**

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 17:52
jamamb wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 17:41 refs in the us have started doing that 'walk over there, then back to me' thing a lot now. im guessing it got made a policy or something, seeing it in loads of fights now, not just this one
It added about 20 seconds recovery time, it's a ludicrous rule. Why not just say all fighters have 30 seconds to recover?

Yeah they have increased the 10 count in america it seems

If fury doesn't get extra time there he gets stopped for me.

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 04:04**

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 17:52
jamamb wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 17:41 refs in the us have started doing that 'walk over there, then back to me' thing a lot now. im guessing it got made a policy or something, seeing it in loads of fights now, not just this one
It added about 20 seconds recovery time, it's a ludicrous rule. Why not just say all fighters have 30 seconds to recover?

Well boxer has 10 seconds to get up.. Once they're up, I don't mind the 'walk to me' or whatever it was.. Some boxers get up way too fast (Zab Judah and a lot of others have done).. So all this additional stuff might take another 5-10 seconds, but it's a big indication as to how the boxer is feeling. If he cant walk in a straight line towards the ref, then it will be stopped. It's the boxers health at stake, no one else.

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 09:36**

The problem is consistency.

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 09:44**

Fury has turned me into a fan over the past 12 months,I think he would beat both wilder and AJ,if he would of followed up on a few of the one two's he hit wilder with he would of had wilder under presure and got him out of there but stil I felt he won the fight. People go on about AJ's heart after the klitschko knockdown but if wilder had hit AJ with the shot he hit fury with,AJ would still be asleep now

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 09:49**

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 15:08 Agreed.

It was miraculous how he got up and came back from that. Truly Holmes/Shavers territory.

Can you imagine Terry O'Connor or Howard Foster seeing Fury like that. They'd have shat themselves and started waving like the Queen instantly.

That is the first thing I thought of post fight......it is why referee's should always issue a ten count.

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 09:51**

thechump wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 09:44 Fury has turned me into a fan over the past 12 months,I think he would beat both wilder and AJ,if he would of followed up on a few of the one two's he hit wilder with he would of had wilder under presure and got him out of there but stil I felt he won the fight. People go on about AJ's heart after the klitschko knockdown but if wilder had hit AJ with the shot he hit fury with,AJ would still be asleep now

Joshua landing clean on Wilder as Fury did he's out.

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 09:52**

lurkyshaka wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 09:49
Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 15:08 Agreed.

It was miraculous how he got up and came back from that. Truly Holmes/Shavers territory.

Can you imagine Terry O'Connor or Howard Foster seeing Fury like that. They'd have shat themselves and started waving like the Queen instantly.
That is the first thing I thought of post fight......it is why referee's should always issue a ten count.

Disagree. When Pacquiao knocked out Hatton Kenny Bayless got some stick for counting too llong when it was obvious Hatton needed a doctor, fast.

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 10:06**

RKY wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 09:52
lurkyshaka wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 09:49
Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 15:08 Agreed.

It was miraculous how he got up and came back from that. Truly Holmes/Shavers territory.

Can you imagine Terry O'Connor or Howard Foster seeing Fury like that. They'd have shat themselves and started waving like the Queen instantly.
That is the first thing I thought of post fight......it is why referee's should always issue a ten count.
Disagree. When Pacquiao knocked out Hatton Kenny Bayless got some stick for counting too llong when it was obvious Hatton needed a doctor, fast.

Yeah it's a judgment call.

His eyes were open and he was watching the count so its fine to give him a chance.

Good refereeing. I thought the referee was excellent throughout. No bias unlike many referees we see who are pro house fighters, especially on UK cards it saddens me to say.

No pleasing some people though.

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 10:09**

I saw it on Twitter, with added Undertaker music.

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 10:09**

banjo wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 15:46 The amount of time he got to recover from getting knocked down is ridiculous, almost on a par with the 30 seconds Benn got vs McClellan.

Not really....he hit the deck at 2.23 and the fight resumed at 2.02.

The referee issues the count and then did a couple of checks to make sure that Fury was in a fit state to continue. The referee was right to do the checks given that it was such a heavy KD. Had Fury not passed the checks in his mind he'd have stopped the fight. But Fury responded well and so the fight continued.

The referee did a good job.

In the case of Benn/McClellan........that is exaggerated ayway, from Benn hitting the deck till McClellen was able to attack him again, only about 19 seconds had elapsed.

And the reality is Benn actually could have been given several minutes to recover given that McClellan hit him with at least 2 punches whilst Benn was only being held up by the ropes and so was technically down.

Far more disturbing and wrong was the 23 extra seconds that Wilder given to recover against Ortiz when the referee inexplicably decided to ask the doctors opinion after Wilder had already had a minute on his stool between rounds 7-8 of that fight.

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 10:15**

RKY wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 09:52
lurkyshaka wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 09:49
Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 15:08 Agreed.

It was miraculous how he got up and came back from that. Truly Holmes/Shavers territory.

Can you imagine Terry O'Connor or Howard Foster seeing Fury like that. They'd have shat themselves and started waving like the Queen instantly.
That is the first thing I thought of post fight......it is why referee's should always issue a ten count.
Disagree. When Pacquiao knocked out Hatton Kenny Bayless got some stick for counting too llong when it was obvious Hatton needed a doctor, fast.

10 seconds wouldn't make any real difference.....but in that instance it was clear Hatton was out cold, but I'm talking about situations where a fighter is down but not out cold and referee's call it off without giving them the 10 count to recover.

It is a judgement call to a degree.....but far too many referee's race to a judgement and start flapping their hands around as soon as a fighter hits the deck following a heavy KD. Just issuing a simple count of 10 takes the controversy away.

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 19:01**

I don't particularly like him

but that was a linear champion climbing off the canvas in the 12th

end of

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 19:53**

lurkyshaka wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 10:09
banjo wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 15:46 The amount of time he got to recover from getting knocked down is ridiculous, almost on a par with the 30 seconds Benn got vs McClellan.
Not really....he hit the deck at 2.23 and the fight resumed at 2.02.

The referee issues the count and then did a couple of checks to make sure that Fury was in a fit state to continue. The referee was right to do the checks given that it was such a heavy KD. Had Fury not passed the checks in his mind he'd have stopped the fight. But Fury responded well and so the fight continued.

The referee did a good job.

In the case of Benn/McClellan........that is exaggerated ayway, from Benn hitting the deck till McClellen was able to attack him again, only about 19 seconds had elapsed.

And the reality is Benn actually could have been given several minutes to recover given that McClellan hit him with at least 2 punches whilst Benn was only being held up by the ropes and so was technically down.

Far more disturbing and wrong was the 23 extra seconds that Wilder given to recover against Ortiz when the referee inexplicably decided to ask the doctors opinion after Wilder had already had a minute on his stool between rounds 7-8 of that fight.

That. plus ortiz, who slumped down on his knees hurt, but wasn't "out" at all, was then waived off hysterically & instantly by the ref standing over him with ortiz's head between his legs even putting his arms on the cuban's shoulders to prevent even an attempt to get back on his feet and continue.

Ortiz would've literally had the ref on his shoulders should he have tried to get up, which he didn't cause the ref waived the fight off there & then without even starting to count out a fighter who was hurt but in no way "out".

Robbed of the opportunity to recover during the count, during the check if he's able to continue & robbed of the chance to continue in a fight most observers had him ahead on points. In a fight, he worked his whole career to get, for the heavyweight championship of the world. Heartbreaking and just disgusting to watch.

Pure Corruption.

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 20:27**

samwbr wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 09:51
thechump wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 09:44 Fury has turned me into a fan over the past 12 months,I think he would beat both wilder and AJ,if he would of followed up on a few of the one two's he hit wilder with he would of had wilder under presure and got him out of there but stil I felt he won the fight. People go on about AJ's heart after the klitschko knockdown but if wilder had hit AJ with the shot he hit fury with,AJ would still be asleep now
Joshua landing clean on Wilder as Fury did he's out.

No way,joshua is a culmination of punchers finisher were as wilder is a one punch finisher,punch for punch wilder hits harder by far than AJ

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 20:38**

Shhhh wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 20:36 How can anyone not be a fury fan?

How much time you got?

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 20:40**

thechump wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 20:27
samwbr wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 09:51
thechump wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 09:44 Fury has turned me into a fan over the past 12 months,I think he would beat both wilder and AJ,if he would of followed up on a few of the one two's he hit wilder with he would of had wilder under presure and got him out of there but stil I felt he won the fight. People go on about AJ's heart after the klitschko knockdown but if wilder had hit AJ with the shot he hit fury with,AJ would still be asleep now
Joshua landing clean on Wilder as Fury did he's out.
No way,joshua is a culmination of punchers finisher were as wilder is a one punch finisher,punch for punch wilder hits harder by far than AJ

difference is overstated imo....josh has layed guys out too and wilder has had fights where he pounded on guys but couldnt drop them, like duhaupas and stiverne 1. wilder has had fights like molina where the guy kept getting up or like arreola where it was a prolonged beatdown and retirement not ktfo.

both have won only 1 fight by decision.

dont know why ppl act like aj cant put anyone down while wilder is ktfoing guys as soon as he touches them

both hit very hard and hard enough to ko fury. i think aj can finish better then wilder

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 20:46**

Wilder seemed extremley confident that Tyson Fury would not be getting off the canvas in round 12,
looking how he re-acted when Fury was still laying prone on the canvas.
It must have really damaged his mental state when they declared the fight a Draw.

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 21:10**

Shhhh wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 21:07
gilgamesh wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 20:38
Shhhh wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 20:36 How can anyone not be a fury fan?
How much time you got?
Give me 1 bad thing and I will give u 5 gud ones

I like TF but he's no angel. You need more than 5 to outweigh a 2 year ban for nandrolone.

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 21:12**

Shhhh wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 21:07
gilgamesh wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 20:38
Shhhh wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 20:36 How can anyone not be a fury fan?
How much time you got?
Give me 1 bad thing and I will give u 5 gud ones

1. Boring as sh*t
2. Dressed like Batman at a Press Conference for a Professional Fight
3. Sings like a jackass after fights sometimes
4. Reaches the pinnacle of the sport, becomes a fat cokehead, and stalls out the division for years.
5. "A woman's place is in the kitchen or on her back in the bedroom" or some stupid sh*t like that
6. Other religious nonsense that he routinely spouts
7. Taunts guys like a jackass when he could be fighting, and actually doing effective work...or maybe he couldn't...maybe taunting is his "Boxing mastery", and he's actually not that f*cking good because he sure never impresses me much.
8. In spite of his size, punches like a lily

You got 40 good ones?

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 21:15**

Shhhh wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 21:14
gilgamesh wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 21:12
Shhhh wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 21:07

Give me 1 bad thing and I will give u 5 gud ones
1. Boring as sh*t
2. Dressed like Batman at a Press Conference for a Professional Fight
3. Sings like a jackass after fights sometimes
4. Reaches the pinnacle of the sport, becomes a fat cokehead, and stalls out the division for years.
5. "A woman's place is in the kitchen or on her back in the bedroom" or some stupid sh*t like that
6. Other religious nonsense that he routinely spouts
7. Taunts guys like a jackass
8. In spite of his size, punches like a lily

You got 40 good ones?
Number 5 he was clearly jokin the rest are bad reasons

Says you.

F*ck that guy. You didn't even have 1 good one

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 21:21**

I kinda doubt anybody that is thinking about offing themselves is suddenly not going to over Tyson Fury, but if it makes you feel better to think so go for it.

You're wasting your time trying to change my opinion on him.

Don't like the f*cking guy. Never will.

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 21:30**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 21:21 I kinda doubt anybody that is thinking about offing themselves is suddenly not going to over Tyson Fury, but if it makes you feel better to think so go for it.

I disagree with you there. Boxing is the most inspiring sport of all. If Tyson Furys comeback inspires even 1 person who is suffering with depression to grab some running shoes and hit the gym, it's worth it.

Fwiw I'm a pretty good bullshit detector- i fully believe Fury is sincere when he talks about being depressed and in a bad place.

I don't agree with his proclamation that it's the best comeback ever though, someone should tell him who Danny Jacobs is

Posted: **04 Dec 2018, 02:23**

thechump wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 20:27
samwbr wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 09:51
thechump wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 09:44 Fury has turned me into a fan over the past 12 months,I think he would beat both wilder and AJ,if he would of followed up on a few of the one two's he hit wilder with he would of had wilder under presure and got him out of there but stil I felt he won the fight. People go on about AJ's heart after the klitschko knockdown but if wilder had hit AJ with the shot he hit fury with,AJ would still be asleep now
Joshua landing clean on Wilder as Fury did he's out.
No way,joshua is a culmination of punchers finisher were as wilder is a one punch finisher,punch for punch wilder hits harder by far than AJ

This seems to be getting said more and more, it's just not correct.

Posted: **04 Dec 2018, 02:59**

samwbr wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 02:23
thechump wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 20:27
samwbr wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 09:51

Joshua landing clean on Wilder as Fury did he's out.
No way,joshua is a culmination of punchers finisher were as wilder is a one punch finisher,punch for punch wilder hits harder by far than AJ
This seems to be getting said more and more, it's just not correct.

Wilders right hand is the hardest punch in boxing. Even on a brit forum you'll struggle to get many agreeing with you. Outside of the UK, virtually nobody will agree with you.

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