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coneye wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 03:09 OK ... I'm going against the masses on this one , Whilst i can commend Tyson for a good performance , and to be honest boxing better than i thought he could , I'm still not of the view he won , and definetly don't think he was robbed .

I base this on watching the fight , , and thinking your doing good , BUT your not doing GREAT , and great is what you have to do if you want to rip the champion of his belt in his backyard .

Ok Tyson boxed well , but he never really pushed it , he looked like he was concentrating more on not being hit , than trying to land , he done a good job , but it was Wilder pressing the fight , Tyson was'nt well at least not for most of it , there were TOO MANY real close rnds , for Tyson to win in Wilders back yard , . remember you have to win a championship belt , stealing it is a risky way of doing it , and just nulifying Wilder was never going to be enough , he was always going to have to take it off him , and he did'nt .

Then add in 2 knock downs , and i think Tyson was actually lucky to get a draw , was it a good performance , yes it was , , considering the lay off and the weight issue , ect ect ect ,, i would go has far as to call it a great performance ,

But was it a winning performance , i don't think so ,,, great performance , but you don't win championship bouts in the other guys yard by stealing you have to win clearly

coneye wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 03:09 OK ... I'm going against the masses on this one , Whilst i can commend Tyson for a good performance , and to be honest boxing better than i thought he could , I'm still not of the view he won , and definetly don't think he was robbed .

I base this on watching the fight , , and thinking your doing good , BUT your not doing GREAT , and great is what you have to do if you want to rip the champion of his belt in his backyard .

Ok Tyson boxed well , but he never really pushed it , he looked like he was concentrating more on not being hit , than trying to land , he done a good job , but it was Wilder pressing the fight , Tyson was'nt well at least not for most of it , there were TOO MANY real close rnds , for Tyson to win in Wilders back yard , . remember you have to win a championship belt , stealing it is a risky way of doing it , and just nulifying Wilder was never going to be enough , he was always going to have to take it off him , and he did'nt .

Then add in 2 knock downs , and i think Tyson was actually lucky to get a draw , was it a good performance , yes it was , , considering the lay off and the weight issue , ect ect ect ,, i would go has far as to call it a great performance ,

But was it a winning performance , i don't think so ,,, great performance , but you don't win championship bouts in the other guys yard by stealing you have to win clearly

Will there be a rematch i doubt it ,, I don't believe Tyson will want it again on USA soil , and i doubt very much if Wilder will come to the UK , , I still see AJ beating Tyson , i think in a rematch Wilder beats Tyson , Aj is a better boxer than Wilder and will connect a lot more often and do the same damage .

AJ -- Wilder ,,, toss a coin whoever lands first

coneye wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 03:09 OK ... I'm going against the masses on this one , Whilst i can commend Tyson for a good performance , and to be honest boxing better than i thought he could , I'm still not of the view he won , and definetly don't think he was robbed .

I base this on watching the fight , , and thinking your doing good , BUT your not doing GREAT , and great is what you have to do if you want to rip the champion of his belt in his backyard .

Ok Tyson boxed well , but he never really pushed it , he looked like he was concentrating more on not being hit , than trying to land , he done a good job , but it was Wilder pressing the fight , Tyson was'nt well at least not for most of it , there were TOO MANY real close rnds , for Tyson to win in Wilders back yard , . remember you have to win a championship belt , stealing it is a risky way of doing it , and just nulifying Wilder was never going to be enough , he was always going to have to take it off him , and he did'nt .

Then add in 2 knock downs , and i think Tyson was actually lucky to get a draw , was it a good performance , yes it was , , considering the lay off and the weight issue , ect ect ect ,, i would go has far as to call it a great performance ,

But was it a winning performance , i don't think so ,,, great performance , but you don't win championship bouts in the other guys yard by stealing you have to win clearly

Will there be a rematch i doubt it ,, I don't believe Tyson will want it again on USA soil , and i doubt very much if Wilder will come to the UK , , I still see AJ beating Tyson , i think in a rematch Wilder beats Tyson , Aj is a better boxer than Wilder and will connect a lot more often and do the same damage .

AJ -- Wilder ,,, toss a coin whoever lands first

coneye wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 07:26 Put it another way Tyson is getting allocades for his courage when he got up , his not getting hit , and fair enough he deserved them , but the facts are he did'nt dominate with EFFECTIVE PUNCHES , sure he made Wilder miss an awful lot , but he also run an awful lot , , yep he done well ,, But he was running a lot did'nt want to get hit , he got knocked down and was 4 points down straight away , so that leaves the other rnds , there were just too many where he may have won but even though he did'nt get hit he did'nt land EFFECTIVE PUNCHES ,,

i SUGGEST A LOT OF YOU ACTUALLY GO OUT AND LEARN WHAT IS CLASSED HAS AN EFFECTIVE PUNCH , american and especielly Mexican judges tend to favor agression i know this , they should know it , and plan for it was it a close fight yep , did Fury win , Yep he won rnd's easy , EXCEPT he got knocked down twice lost by 10-8 , and had a few rnds where he just did'nt land many EFFECTIVE PUNCHES , and i'm sorry to say a jab leaning back , against a aggressive fighter is NOT an EFFECTIVE PUNCH .THATS WHERE HE LOST IT .

cOULD IT OF GONE HIS WAY FOR SURE , but he got knocked down and lost 10-8 twice , that nulified a lot of the good work he done , if he lost would it of been a robbery , in the eyes ofhis fans yep , if he won would he off been lucky , probably , for me a draw was a fair result . .

It was simple the champ wanted to fight , but the challenger wanted to run , slip , duck and dive , and not get hit the challenger landed a lot of INNEFECTIVE NON SCORING PUNCHES , THE cHAMPION LANDED LESS BUT MORE EFFECTIVE SCORING PUNCHES ,in a few rnd's don't care what you all say , i thoiught a draw was fair ,,

You do score rnd by rnd , BUT you have to land EFFECTIVE PUNCHES TO WIN THE RND.

So let me enlighten a few of you again an effective scoring punch is , a blow landed with the knuclke part of the glove on the scoring part of the head and torso , WITH THE WEIGHT OF THE SHOULDER BEHIND IT .

paddy chavez wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 03:38 I thought Fury won but a draw could be possible as the first 3 RDS were close RDS then the knock downs what I can't understand is the Mexican judge who only gave fury a few RDS ...I can get a tight split decision for fury with one judge having it a draw

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 08:32 Forget about the judges scorecards. The most important thing, of course, is who won ‘the story of the fight’.



(© Max Kellerman)

thechump wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 07:38

coneye wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 03:09 OK ... I'm going against the masses on this one , Whilst i can commend Tyson for a good performance , and to be honest boxing better than i thought he could , I'm still not of the view he won , and definetly don't think he was robbed .

I base this on watching the fight , , and thinking your doing good , BUT your not doing GREAT , and great is what you have to do if you want to rip the champion of his belt in his backyard .

Ok Tyson boxed well , but he never really pushed it , he looked like he was concentrating more on not being hit , than trying to land , he done a good job , but it was Wilder pressing the fight , Tyson was'nt well at least not for most of it , there were TOO MANY real close rnds , for Tyson to win in Wilders back yard , . remember you have to win a championship belt , stealing it is a risky way of doing it , and just nulifying Wilder was never going to be enough , he was always going to have to take it off him , and he did'nt .

Then add in 2 knock downs , and i think Tyson was actually lucky to get a draw , was it a good performance , yes it was , , considering the lay off and the weight issue , ect ect ect ,, i would go has far as to call it a great performance ,

But was it a winning performance , i don't think so ,,, great performance , but you don't win championship bouts in the other guys yard by stealing you have to win clearly

Will there be a rematch i doubt it ,, I don't believe Tyson will want it again on USA soil , and i doubt very much if Wilder will come to the UK , , I still see AJ beating Tyson , i think in a rematch Wilder beats Tyson , Aj is a better boxer than Wilder and will connect a lot more often and do the same damage .

AJ -- Wilder ,,, toss a coin whoever lands first

So i had tyson winning round 9 and 12 up until the knockdown and he finished the stronger after the knockdowns so to me they should of been either 10-9 or 9-9 rounds. Tyson gave deontay a boxing lesson made him miss all night long apart from the knockdown shots,whatever wilder hit tyson with tyson matched him,that fight shoukd of been 120-108 fight but with the knockdowns 116-112. Also AJ vs wilder will end by a k.o for wilder imho

gilgamesh wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 21:09 I look forward to watching this fight back this weekend. I'll make a note of every single noteworthy moment throughout the fight, and rescore it.

I'm prepared to have a different score if indeed I see something I didn't see the first time, but I doubt that'll be the case. With all the hubbub though it's worth a 2nd look.

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 14:23

thechump wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 07:38

coneye wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 03:09 OK ... I'm going against the masses on this one , Whilst i can commend Tyson for a good performance , and to be honest boxing better than i thought he could , I'm still not of the view he won , and definetly don't think he was robbed .

I base this on watching the fight , , and thinking your doing good , BUT your not doing GREAT , and great is what you have to do if you want to rip the champion of his belt in his backyard .

Ok Tyson boxed well , but he never really pushed it , he looked like he was concentrating more on not being hit , than trying to land , he done a good job , but it was Wilder pressing the fight , Tyson was'nt well at least not for most of it , there were TOO MANY real close rnds , for Tyson to win in Wilders back yard , . remember you have to win a championship belt , stealing it is a risky way of doing it , and just nulifying Wilder was never going to be enough , he was always going to have to take it off him , and he did'nt .

Then add in 2 knock downs , and i think Tyson was actually lucky to get a draw , was it a good performance , yes it was , , considering the lay off and the weight issue , ect ect ect ,, i would go has far as to call it a great performance ,

But was it a winning performance , i don't think so ,,, great performance , but you don't win championship bouts in the other guys yard by stealing you have to win clearly

Will there be a rematch i doubt it ,, I don't believe Tyson will want it again on USA soil , and i doubt very much if Wilder will come to the UK , , I still see AJ beating Tyson , i think in a rematch Wilder beats Tyson , Aj is a better boxer than Wilder and will connect a lot more often and do the same damage .

AJ -- Wilder ,,, toss a coin whoever lands first

So i had tyson winning round 9 and 12 up until the knockdown and he finished the stronger after the knockdowns so to me they should of been either 10-9 or 9-9 rounds. Tyson gave deontay a boxing lesson made him miss all night long apart from the knockdown shots,whatever wilder hit tyson with tyson matched him,that fight shoukd of been 120-108 fight but with the knockdowns 116-112. Also AJ vs wilder will end by a k.o for wilder imho

Nobody is going to score those rounds 10-9 or 9-9. If you think that should have happened, you don't understand the sport. I'm not being condescending here. I'm just explaining how it works. Those are 10-8 rounds to Wilder on everyones scorecard. That's how boxing works. Fury would have had to do much much more to pull the point back and get a 10-9 round. He would have had to hurt or drop Wilder which he didn't do.

thechump wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 16:39

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 14:23

thechump wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 07:38
So i had tyson winning round 9 and 12 up until the knockdown and he finished the stronger after the knockdowns so to me they should of been either 10-9 or 9-9 rounds. Tyson gave deontay a boxing lesson made him miss all night long apart from the knockdown shots,whatever wilder hit tyson with tyson matched him,that fight shoukd of been 120-108 fight but with the knockdowns 116-112. Also AJ vs wilder will end by a k.o for wilder imho

Nobody is going to score those rounds 10-9 or 9-9. If you think that should have happened, you don't understand the sport. I'm not being condescending here. I'm just explaining how it works. Those are 10-8 rounds to Wilder on everyones scorecard. That's how boxing works. Fury would have had to do much much more to pull the point back and get a 10-9 round. He would have had to hurt or drop Wilder which he didn't do.

I know pal,if there is only 1 knockdown its a 10-8 round no matter what

thechump wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 07:38

coneye wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 03:09 OK ... I'm going against the masses on this one , Whilst i can commend Tyson for a good performance , and to be honest boxing better than i thought he could , I'm still not of the view he won , and definetly don't think he was robbed .

I base this on watching the fight , , and thinking your doing good , BUT your not doing GREAT , and great is what you have to do if you want to rip the champion of his belt in his backyard .

Ok Tyson boxed well , but he never really pushed it , he looked like he was concentrating more on not being hit , than trying to land , he done a good job , but it was Wilder pressing the fight , Tyson was'nt well at least not for most of it , there were TOO MANY real close rnds , for Tyson to win in Wilders back yard , . remember you have to win a championship belt , stealing it is a risky way of doing it , and just nulifying Wilder was never going to be enough , he was always going to have to take it off him , and he did'nt .

Then add in 2 knock downs , and i think Tyson was actually lucky to get a draw , was it a good performance , yes it was , , considering the lay off and the weight issue , ect ect ect ,, i would go has far as to call it a great performance ,

But was it a winning performance , i don't think so ,,, great performance , but you don't win championship bouts in the other guys yard by stealing you have to win clearly

Will there be a rematch i doubt it ,, I don't believe Tyson will want it again on USA soil , and i doubt very much if Wilder will come to the UK , , I still see AJ beating Tyson , i think in a rematch Wilder beats Tyson , Aj is a better boxer than Wilder and will connect a lot more often and do the same damage .

AJ -- Wilder ,,, toss a coin whoever lands first

So i had tyson winning round 9 and 12 up until the knockdown and he finished the stronger after the knockdowns so to me they should of been either 10-9 or 9-9 rounds. Tyson gave deontay a boxing lesson made him miss all night long apart from the knockdown shots,whatever wilder hit tyson with tyson matched him,that fight shoukd of been 120-108 fight but with the knockdowns 116-112. Also AJ vs wilder will end by a k.o for wilder imho

ironbeard wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 09:11

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 08:32 Forget about the judges scorecards. The most important thing, of course, is who won ‘the story of the fight’.



(© Max Kellerman)

. . . with the help of commentators like Max Kellerman.

samwbr wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 03:42

thechump wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 07:38

coneye wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 03:09 OK ... I'm going against the masses on this one , Whilst i can commend Tyson for a good performance , and to be honest boxing better than i thought he could , I'm still not of the view he won , and definetly don't think he was robbed .

I base this on watching the fight , , and thinking your doing good , BUT your not doing GREAT , and great is what you have to do if you want to rip the champion of his belt in his backyard .

Ok Tyson boxed well , but he never really pushed it , he looked like he was concentrating more on not being hit , than trying to land , he done a good job , but it was Wilder pressing the fight , Tyson was'nt well at least not for most of it , there were TOO MANY real close rnds , for Tyson to win in Wilders back yard , . remember you have to win a championship belt , stealing it is a risky way of doing it , and just nulifying Wilder was never going to be enough , he was always going to have to take it off him , and he did'nt .

Then add in 2 knock downs , and i think Tyson was actually lucky to get a draw , was it a good performance , yes it was , , considering the lay off and the weight issue , ect ect ect ,, i would go has far as to call it a great performance ,

But was it a winning performance , i don't think so ,,, great performance , but you don't win championship bouts in the other guys yard by stealing you have to win clearly

Will there be a rematch i doubt it ,, I don't believe Tyson will want it again on USA soil , and i doubt very much if Wilder will come to the UK , , I still see AJ beating Tyson , i think in a rematch Wilder beats Tyson , Aj is a better boxer than Wilder and will connect a lot more often and do the same damage .

AJ -- Wilder ,,, toss a coin whoever lands first

So i had tyson winning round 9 and 12 up until the knockdown and he finished the stronger after the knockdowns so to me they should of been either 10-9 or 9-9 rounds. Tyson gave deontay a boxing lesson made him miss all night long apart from the knockdown shots,whatever wilder hit tyson with tyson matched him,that fight shoukd of been 120-108 fight but with the knockdowns 116-112. Also AJ vs wilder will end by a k.o for wilder imho

They are 10-8 rounds.

thechump wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 07:38

coneye wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 03:09 OK ... I'm going against the masses on this one , Whilst i can commend Tyson for a good performance , and to be honest boxing better than i thought he could , I'm still not of the view he won , and definetly don't think he was robbed .

I base this on watching the fight , , and thinking your doing good , BUT your not doing GREAT , and great is what you have to do if you want to rip the champion of his belt in his backyard .

Ok Tyson boxed well , but he never really pushed it , he looked like he was concentrating more on not being hit , than trying to land , he done a good job , but it was Wilder pressing the fight , Tyson was'nt well at least not for most of it , there were TOO MANY real close rnds , for Tyson to win in Wilders back yard , . remember you have to win a championship belt , stealing it is a risky way of doing it , and just nulifying Wilder was never going to be enough , he was always going to have to take it off him , and he did'nt .

Then add in 2 knock downs , and i think Tyson was actually lucky to get a draw , was it a good performance , yes it was , , considering the lay off and the weight issue , ect ect ect ,, i would go has far as to call it a great performance ,

But was it a winning performance , i don't think so ,,, great performance , but you don't win championship bouts in the other guys yard by stealing you have to win clearly

Will there be a rematch i doubt it ,, I don't believe Tyson will want it again on USA soil , and i doubt very much if Wilder will come to the UK , , I still see AJ beating Tyson , i think in a rematch Wilder beats Tyson , Aj is a better boxer than Wilder and will connect a lot more often and do the same damage .

AJ -- Wilder ,,, toss a coin whoever lands first

So i had tyson winning round 9 and 12 up until the knockdown and he finished the stronger after the knockdowns so to me they should of been either 10-9 or 9-9 rounds. Tyson gave deontay a boxing lesson made him miss all night long apart from the knockdown shots,whatever wilder hit tyson with tyson matched him,that fight shoukd of been 120-108 fight but with the knockdowns 116-112. Also AJ vs wilder will end by a k.o for wilder imho

MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 04:59 I've never understood this argument of having to 'do more' or 'rip the belt away from the champion'. It's nonsense. You have to beat the champion, that's all. A belt holder shouldn't receive any gifts just because he has the belt, unless you want a Klitschko era belts being held hostage scenario.

Do Man City get a couple of goals leeway in each premier league game this season because they're the defending champions?

Utter bobbins.

coneye wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 03:09 OK ... I'm going against the masses on this one , Whilst i can commend Tyson for a good performance , and to be honest boxing better than i thought he could , I'm still not of the view he won , and definetly don't think he was robbed .

I base this on watching the fight , , and thinking your doing good , BUT your not doing GREAT , and great is what you have to do if you want to rip the champion of his belt in his backyard .

Ok Tyson boxed well , but he never really pushed it , he looked like he was concentrating more on not being hit , than trying to land , he done a good job , but it was Wilder pressing the fight , Tyson was'nt well at least not for most of it , there were TOO MANY real close rnds , for Tyson to win in Wilders back yard , . remember you have to win a championship belt , stealing it is a risky way of doing it , and just nulifying Wilder was never going to be enough , he was always going to have to take it off him , and he did'nt .

Then add in 2 knock downs , and i think Tyson was actually lucky to get a draw , was it a good performance , yes it was , , considering the lay off and the weight issue , ect ect ect ,, i would go has far as to call it a great performance ,

But was it a winning performance , i don't think so ,,, great performance , but you don't win championship bouts in the other guys yard by stealing you have to win clearly

Will there be a rematch i doubt it ,, I don't believe Tyson will want it again on USA soil , and i doubt very much if Wilder will come to the UK , , I still see AJ beating Tyson , i think in a rematch Wilder beats Tyson , Aj is a better boxer than Wilder and will connect a lot more often and do the same damage .

AJ -- Wilder ,,, toss a coin whoever lands first

oogiebe wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 13:28

thechump wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 07:38

coneye wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 03:09 OK ... I'm going against the masses on this one , Whilst i can commend Tyson for a good performance , and to be honest boxing better than i thought he could , I'm still not of the view he won , and definetly don't think he was robbed .

I base this on watching the fight , , and thinking your doing good , BUT your not doing GREAT , and great is what you have to do if you want to rip the champion of his belt in his backyard .

Ok Tyson boxed well , but he never really pushed it , he looked like he was concentrating more on not being hit , than trying to land , he done a good job , but it was Wilder pressing the fight , Tyson was'nt well at least not for most of it , there were TOO MANY real close rnds , for Tyson to win in Wilders back yard , . remember you have to win a championship belt , stealing it is a risky way of doing it , and just nulifying Wilder was never going to be enough , he was always going to have to take it off him , and he did'nt .

Then add in 2 knock downs , and i think Tyson was actually lucky to get a draw , was it a good performance , yes it was , , considering the lay off and the weight issue , ect ect ect ,, i would go has far as to call it a great performance ,

But was it a winning performance , i don't think so ,,, great performance , but you don't win championship bouts in the other guys yard by stealing you have to win clearly

Will there be a rematch i doubt it ,, I don't believe Tyson will want it again on USA soil , and i doubt very much if Wilder will come to the UK , , I still see AJ beating Tyson , i think in a rematch Wilder beats Tyson , Aj is a better boxer than Wilder and will connect a lot more often and do the same damage .

AJ -- Wilder ,,, toss a coin whoever lands first

So i had tyson winning round 9 and 12 up until the knockdown and he finished the stronger after the knockdowns so to me they should of been either 10-9 or 9-9 rounds. Tyson gave deontay a boxing lesson made him miss all night long apart from the knockdown shots,whatever wilder hit tyson with tyson matched him,that fight shoukd of been 120-108 fight but with the knockdowns 116-112. Also AJ vs wilder will end by a k.o for wilder imho

Just so you know, there are no 9-9 rounds unless there is a point taken away. 10 point MUST system.