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adislav123 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 19:47

ironbeard wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 18:43

adislav123 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 18:10 London, Vegas, Brooklyn... amazing places. Great places. Tremendous places for big business. Love those places, they are just great places.

Vegas! Love to go to vegas. Great place for gambling & boxing. Just tremendous, amazing place vegas is. Huge gambling city. One word for vegas, great. Love to go to vegas with my biz buddies whenever i get a chance. Just a great, great place vegas is.

London. Great place. Good old london. Tremendous place, big place. Twinnings, fish&chips, manchester... huge! Amazing place london. Big for business too... just great.

Where would you prefer the rematch take place Adislob?

Wherever the biz is the biggest.

Old Trafford would be great. Just amazing. Never had boxing before but fury would sell it out with a doubt.

It had Eubank-Benn II

Although nothing since I don’t think.!

"without a doubt" he'd sell it out i meant.

adislav123 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 19:55 100% baby. 7 days a week & twice on sunday!

EZ4U2 say.

I actually feel sorry for Fury. Wilder says he is gonna bulk up and will now know how to deal with his evasive fighting style. If he fights at home and gets KO'd he will feel embarrassed and he doesn't have the power to KO Wilder. Although he will get a big payday.

FURY vs WILDER 2-midpoint-WILDER is 6-5 favorite oddschecker

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 18:20

jamamb wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 18:19 honestly wilders issuses seemed to have nothing to do with weight, being heavier isnt going to make him pull the trigger better or deal with the movement better. its unlikely to improve his stamina either.

im not sure if 212 was ideal but 245 for him would be getting into flabby territory probably

Guys fighting Fury need to just attack him harder. Fury ain't much of a hitter. Who gives a sh*t he's big. He punches like a Light Heavyweight at best. Guys needs to attack him more aggressively.

If everything was that easy. Even in the recent exapmle, Wilder was pretty aggressive early and he got dazed at the end of the 1st for his desperate windmilling. The Gypsy King's punch isn't crushing, but it's decent and can be placed in time.

some of the stuff i read made it sound like they will approve an immediate rematch but not necessarily that they are forcing it

so basically, breazeale is the wbc mandatory i think, and the wbc is saying they would let a rematch happen first even though doms already mandatory, but not that they are going to force a rematch

DrDuke wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 14:46 WBC is finally doing something they really should.

I dare say Al gave it his blessing.

..both deserve it, Fury all the more so..

guysecretan wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 21:39 I actually feel sorry for Fury. Wilder says he is gonna bulk up and will now know how to deal with his evasive fighting style. If he fights at home and gets KO'd he will feel embarrassed and he doesn't have the power to KO Wilder. Although he will get a big payday.

Sorry, but you have evidently no clue about boxing, not a bad thing at all, you might know a lot about other stuff and may well be an intelligent, nice guy.

There's no indication whatsover that wilder possesses a (boxing) brain capable of adapting & executing a different boxing style other than parading around the ring desperately looking for an opportunity to let his cocked right rocket off from a ridiculuosly wide stance. while having his ears boxed off & getting countered every time he windmills from down right mississippi to no effect but miss.

Why fury got careless & let wilder stupidly catch him in the 12th, god knows but it won't happen to him again.

He will box with more authority, less hesitantly, stop with those useless provoking & dangerous antics (sticking his tongue & chin out), pump out the jab constantly, pin him to the ropes, keep his gloves up instead behind his back, just plain run him over, roughing up & knock the bronze bomber the fornicate out.

adislav123 wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 08:24

guysecretan wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 21:39 I actually feel sorry for Fury. Wilder says he is gonna bulk up and will now know how to deal with his evasive fighting style. If he fights at home and gets KO'd he will feel embarrassed and he doesn't have the power to KO Wilder. Although he will get a big payday.

Sorry, but you have evidently no clue about boxing, not a bad thing at all, you might know a lot about other stuff and may well be an intelligent, nice guy.

There's no indication whatsover that wilder possesses a (boxing) brain capable of adapting & executing a different boxing style other than parading around the ring desperately looking for an opportunity to let his cocked right rocket off from a ridiculuosly wide stance. while having his ears boxed off & getting countered every time he windmills from down right mississippi to no effect but miss.

Why fury got careless & let wilder stupidly catch him in the 12th, god knows but it won't happen to him again.

He will box with more authority, less hesitantly, stop with those useless provoking & dangerous antics (sticking his tongue & chin out), pump out the jab constantly, pin him to the ropes, keep his gloves up instead behind his back, just plain run him over, roughing up & knock the bronze bomber the eff out.

Is Tyson taking orders from you? The antics benefited him.

Fury boxed “with more authority” in the second half of the fight. “God” may or may not know why “the gyppo king” got caught, but Fury knows that your strategy nearly got his head knocked clean out of the ring.

If Fury does what he did second half, he may end up carried out of the ring.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 18:16

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 12:04 Wilder says: "he will try to gain a significant amount of weight, with a goal of 245 pounds after he came in at 209 on Saturday. He's open to fighting Fury anywhere, even in Britain, though his preferences would be Las Vegas or Barclays Center in New York."

35 LBS?

That would be a REALLY stupid idea. His speed is essential to him catching Tyson. I'd agree he needs to put on SOME weight, but not anywhere near that much.

225 or so would be fine. If he comes in at 245 or something he's making a big mistake.

Also, he can’t fight a full tough 12 rounds as it is, adding that kind of weight will make that even worse. If he comes in that weight I think Fury beats him wide.

Covfefe wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 11:42

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 18:16

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 12:04 Wilder says: "he will try to gain a significant amount of weight, with a goal of 245 pounds after he came in at 209 on Saturday. He's open to fighting Fury anywhere, even in Britain, though his preferences would be Las Vegas or Barclays Center in New York."

35 LBS?

That would be a REALLY stupid idea. His speed is essential to him catching Tyson. I'd agree he needs to put on SOME weight, but not anywhere near that much.

225 or so would be fine. If he comes in at 245 or something he's making a big mistake.

Also, he can’t fight a full tough 12 rounds as it is, adding that kind of weight will make that even worse. If he comes in that weight I think Fury beats him wide.

Yeah I'd be certain of it. 230 is the maximum he could still be effective at I figure. If he's much more than that he's gonna be slower, and as you say he's gonna tire out quicker. A recipe for failure no doubt.

adislav123 wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 08:24

guysecretan wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 21:39 I actually feel sorry for Fury. Wilder says he is gonna bulk up and will now know how to deal with his evasive fighting style. If he fights at home and gets KO'd he will feel embarrassed and he doesn't have the power to KO Wilder. Although he will get a big payday.

Sorry, but you have evidently no clue about boxing, not a bad thing at all, you might know a lot about other stuff and may well be an intelligent, nice guy.

There's no indication whatsover that wilder possesses a (boxing) brain capable of adapting & executing a different boxing style other than parading around the ring desperately looking for an opportunity to let his cocked right rocket off from a ridiculuosly wide stance. while having his ears boxed off & getting countered every time he windmills from down right mississippi to no effect but miss.

Why fury got careless & let wilder stupidly catch him in the 12th, god knows but it won't happen to him again.

He will box with more authority, less hesitantly, stop with those useless provoking & dangerous antics (sticking his tongue & chin out), pump out the jab constantly, pin him to the ropes, keep his gloves up instead behind his back, just plain run him over, roughing up & knock the bronze bomber the eff out.

Wilder has a KO record of 39 out of 41 fights he very nearly KOd Fury and knocked him down twice. The second knock down was incredibly powerful and would be the end of the fight for most boxers. Fury fought well but didn't once knock down or really even wobble Wilder. So what makes you think Fury will improve so much and Wilder will get so much worse that it will be Fury KOing Wilder?

Covfefe wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 11:42

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 18:16

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 12:04 Wilder says: "he will try to gain a significant amount of weight, with a goal of 245 pounds after he came in at 209 on Saturday. He's open to fighting Fury anywhere, even in Britain, though his preferences would be Las Vegas or Barclays Center in New York."

35 LBS?

That would be a REALLY stupid idea. His speed is essential to him catching Tyson. I'd agree he needs to put on SOME weight, but not anywhere near that much.

225 or so would be fine. If he comes in at 245 or something he's making a big mistake.

Also, he can’t fight a full tough 12 rounds as it is, adding that kind of weight will make that even worse. If he comes in that weight I think Fury beats him wide.

Wilder has gone 12 rounds twice.
He put three and out landed Fury in the final
4 rounds Wilder 28/141 to Fury 26/101.
Going 12 is not an issue for Wilder.

If they put the rematch together for next summer (hopefully in London) we will have our answers.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 15:05

Covfefe wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 11:42

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 18:16

That would be a REALLY stupid idea. His speed is essential to him catching Tyson. I'd agree he needs to put on SOME weight, but not anywhere near that much.

225 or so would be fine. If he comes in at 245 or something he's making a big mistake.

Also, he can’t fight a full tough 12 rounds as it is, adding that kind of weight will make that even worse. If he comes in that weight I think Fury beats him wide.

Wilder has gone 12 rounds twice.
He put three and out landed Fury in the final
4 rounds Wilder 28/141 to Fury 26/101.
Going 12 is not an issue for Wilder.

Are you high? He punched himself out a few times in the rounds, you’re obviously blind. If you think he can fight a full tough twelve rounds I don’t see the point in talking to you cause it’s painfully obviously not true.

Covfefe wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 15:11

tiny_acres wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 15:05

Covfefe wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 11:42

Also, he can’t fight a full tough 12 rounds as it is, adding that kind of weight will make that even worse. If he comes in that weight I think Fury beats him wide.

Wilder has gone 12 rounds twice.
He put three and out landed Fury in the final
4 rounds Wilder 28/141 to Fury 26/101.
Going 12 is not an issue for Wilder.

Are you high? He punched himself out a few times in the rounds, you’re obviously blind. If you think he can fight a full tough twelve rounds I don’t see the point in talking to you cause it’s painfully obviously not true.

He carried his power into the 12th round. He put landed and out threw Fury in the 12th.
Case closed

tiny_acres wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 15:14

Covfefe wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 15:11

tiny_acres wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 15:05

Wilder has gone 12 rounds twice.
He put three and out landed Fury in the final
4 rounds Wilder 28/141 to Fury 26/101.
Going 12 is not an issue for Wilder.

Are you high? He punched himself out a few times in the rounds, you’re obviously blind. If you think he can fight a full tough twelve rounds I don’t see the point in talking to you cause it’s painfully obviously not true.

He carried his power into the 12th round. He put landed and out threw Fury in the 12th.
Case closed

Whatever you say.

wilder did look tired in several rounds despite the low pace, the whole both arms down thing i hadnt seen from him before and he didnt seem to have the juice to put in a sustained finishing effort to ko fury the times he dropped him, going to 245 imo would be a really bad move

fury has a minimalist style, outworking him a bit isnt really that much, we thought wilder could put it on him and really he didnt. he needs to do whatever will help him let his hands go more and more consistently (the 12th isnt necessarily a full 12) , being 245 isnt that

jamamb wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 15:28 wilder did look tired in several rounds despite the low pace, the whole both arms down thing i hadnt seen from him before and he didnt seem to have the juice to put in a sustained finishing effort to ko fury the times he dropped him, going to 245 imo would be a really bad move

fury has a minimalist style, outworking him a bit isnt really that much, we thought wilder could put it on him and really he didnt. he needs to do whatever will help him let his hands go more and more consistently (the 12th isnt necessarily a full 12) , being 245 isnt that

I agree that 245 would be a big mistake. 220-225 makes sense to me.

No point feeding the troll

He calls him the 'gyppo' King so he's clearly prejudiced

ewenhay wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 15:45 No point feeding the troll

He calls him the 'gyppo' King so he's clearly prejudiced

Adislob coined Fury “the gyppo king,” not me.

Do you have an opinion on what weight Wilder should come in at in the rematch.

ironbeard wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 16:13

ewenhay wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 15:45 No point feeding the troll

He calls him the 'gyppo' King so he's clearly prejudiced

Adislob coined Fury “the gyppo king,” not me.

Do you have an opinion on what weight Wilder should come in at in the rematch.

I think he should avoid putting too much weight on personally. If he's bigger he's just easier to hit and out manoeuvre and there's no guarantee putting on weight will make him any more effective

ewenhay wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 16:20

ironbeard wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 16:13

ewenhay wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 15:45 No point feeding the troll

He calls him the 'gyppo' King so he's clearly prejudiced

Adislob coined Fury “the gyppo king,” not me.

Do you have an opinion on what weight Wilder should come in at in the rematch.

I think he should avoid putting too much weight on personally. If he's bigger he's just easier to hit and out manoeuvre and there's no guarantee putting on weight will make him any more effective

Well, I think we agree. When he came in at 212 at the weighin I immediately felt that it was too low, though.

I just think his sweet spot is 220-225.