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TheGingerBomber wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 16:57 Can’t believe this time last year I liked Hearn.

He’s becoming more bitter, he’s a big old Tory, he’s brought us terrible fight nights this year, and some crap PPV cards. He’s now focusing on the States, giving these Yanks what the Brits deserve, even that Italian fight night was more interesting than the Brook/Zerafa show.

The lack of honesty in boxing is remarkable.

ThereByTheGrace wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 15:10 Anyone care what this toff and his daddy say? Let the real men get on with the real fights and not the panto soap opera rubbish you put on

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 15:00 Promoter Eddie Hearn has slammed down the reported pay-per-view numbers for the recent heavyweight collision between WBC champion Deontay Wilder and challenger Tyson Fury.

The very vocal promoter slammed the reported pay-per-view figures - stating that Dillian Whyte's recent pay-per-view with Joseph Parker did a high buyrate.

“It's now easier to make the Wilder fight vs other circumstances,” said Hearn to The Independent.

“So if Wilder would have won devastatingly, he would have been a f****** nightmare. Everyone thought he lost so he drew and although his stock has gone up because he is well-known, it's not like he was this phenomenon.

“To do 300,000 buys is terrible, absolutely terrible. 300,000 is absolutely abysmal. Dillian Whyte against Joseph Parker did more than 300,000 buys in England. I mean we're talking about across the US. You can't say it's good. Canelo and Golovkin have just done 1.2 million and they're middleweights.”

But what Hearn neglects are the revenue figures.

Wilder-Fury, at a price range of $74.99, brought in $24.3 million in pay-per-view revenue. While Whyte-Parker, which retailed for a third of that price at £19.95, only brought in $8.1 million in revenue under the same buy number as Wilder-Fury.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 18:12

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 15:00 Promoter Eddie Hearn has slammed down the reported pay-per-view numbers for the recent heavyweight collision between WBC champion Deontay Wilder and challenger Tyson Fury.

The very vocal promoter slammed the reported pay-per-view figures - stating that Dillian Whyte's recent pay-per-view with Joseph Parker did a high buyrate.

“It's now easier to make the Wilder fight vs other circumstances,” said Hearn to The Independent.

“So if Wilder would have won devastatingly, he would have been a f****** nightmare. Everyone thought he lost so he drew and although his stock has gone up because he is well-known, it's not like he was this phenomenon.

“To do 300,000 buys is terrible, absolutely terrible. 300,000 is absolutely abysmal. Dillian Whyte against Joseph Parker did more than 300,000 buys in England. I mean we're talking about across the US. You can't say it's good. Canelo and Golovkin have just done 1.2 million and they're middleweights.”

But what Hearn neglects are the revenue figures.

Wilder-Fury, at a price range of $74.99, brought in $24.3 million in pay-per-view revenue. While Whyte-Parker, which retailed for a third of that price at £19.95, only brought in $8.1 million in revenue under the same buy number as Wilder-Fury.

Half the revenue here goes to the cable/satellite providers.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 16:09

tiny_acres wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 15:20

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 15:00 But what Hearn neglects are the revenue figures.

Wilder-Fury, at a price range of $74.99, brought in $24.3 million in pay-per-view revenue. While Whyte-Parker, which retailed for a third of that price at £19.95, only brought in $8.1 million in revenue under the same buy number as Wilder-Fury.

This sums up the facts. Hearn is using figured yo distort the truth. He did not lie he just used tactics that politicians use.
So dollar for dollar 325k buys in America are close to 1 million buys in Britain.
It's comparing Apple's to oranges

How many buys would Whyte-Parker have done had it been in the UK for £50 a buy? Imagine.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 18:31

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 18:12

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 15:00 Promoter Eddie Hearn has slammed down the reported pay-per-view numbers for the recent heavyweight collision between WBC champion Deontay Wilder and challenger Tyson Fury.

The very vocal promoter slammed the reported pay-per-view figures - stating that Dillian Whyte's recent pay-per-view with Joseph Parker did a high buyrate.

“It's now easier to make the Wilder fight vs other circumstances,” said Hearn to The Independent.

“So if Wilder would have won devastatingly, he would have been a f****** nightmare. Everyone thought he lost so he drew and although his stock has gone up because he is well-known, it's not like he was this phenomenon.

“To do 300,000 buys is terrible, absolutely terrible. 300,000 is absolutely abysmal. Dillian Whyte against Joseph Parker did more than 300,000 buys in England. I mean we're talking about across the US. You can't say it's good. Canelo and Golovkin have just done 1.2 million and they're middleweights.”

But what Hearn neglects are the revenue figures.

Wilder-Fury, at a price range of $74.99, brought in $24.3 million in pay-per-view revenue. While Whyte-Parker, which retailed for a third of that price at £19.95, only brought in $8.1 million in revenue under the same buy number as Wilder-Fury.

Half the revenue here goes to the cable/satellite providers.

With everything paid to cable providers etc. The fight broke even and everyone was paid.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 18:37

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 18:31

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 18:12
Half the revenue here goes to the cable/satellite providers.

With everything paid to cable providers etc. The fight broke even and everyone was paid.

According to Showtime 250,000 was break even

tiny_acres wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 18:35

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 16:09

tiny_acres wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 15:20

This sums up the facts. Hearn is using figured yo distort the truth. He did not lie he just used tactics that politicians use.
So dollar for dollar 325k buys in America are close to 1 million buys in Britain.
It's comparing Apple's to oranges

How many buys would Whyte-Parker have done had it been in the UK for £50 a buy? Imagine.

Twelve. Not 1200 just 12

RKY wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 19:17

tiny_acres wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 18:35

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 16:09

How many buys would Whyte-Parker have done had it been in the UK for £50 a buy? Imagine.

Twelve. Not 1200 just 12

Sky had to cancel Khan vs Paul McCloskey because it only sold about 50 buys. Ended up on some wierd channel than picked it up.

RKY wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 19:17

tiny_acres wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 18:35

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 16:09

How many buys would Whyte-Parker have done had it been in the UK for £50 a buy? Imagine.

Twelve. Not 1200 just 12

Sky had to cancel Khan vs Paul McCloskey because it only sold about 50 buys. Ended up on some wierd channel than picked it up.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 16:15

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 16:13

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 15:14 300k buys is crap though, considering some on here are so convinced that Fury & Wilder are such massive draws despite all evidence to the contrary.

Not at all. Canelo did 300k against Liam Smith. That fight was sold on Canelo’s name alone. That’s poor for a Canelo fight. This was Wilder and Fury’s first time on PPV. Let’s not forget 10 million who watched via illegal streams.

It’s all about the revenue.

We had predictions on here that it would do over 1 million buys!

tiny_acres wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 19:32

RKY wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 19:17

tiny_acres wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 18:35

Twelve. Not 1200 just 12

Sky had to cancel Khan vs Paul McCloskey because it only sold about 50 buys. Ended up on some wierd channel than picked it up.

Most cards are not deserving of ppv

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 19:41

tiny_acres wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 19:32

RKY wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 19:17


Sky had to cancel Khan vs Paul McCloskey because it only sold about 50 buys. Ended up on some wierd channel than picked it up.

Most cards are not deserving of ppv

Yeh. Doesn’t matter if Matchroom want to bulk up the undercard like they tend to do.. a PPV’s main attraction is always the main event. People mostly have always bought a PPV for the main event.

People always defend the Brook-Gavin card because the undercard was good. I couldn’t give a flying fück to be honest.

Even the Joshua-Whyte card. Have to admit the undercard was decent. How many people bought that for anything other than the main event?

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 19:37

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 16:15

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 16:13

Not at all. Canelo did 300k against Liam Smith. That fight was sold on Canelo’s name alone. That’s poor for a Canelo fight. This was Wilder and Fury’s first time on PPV. Let’s not forget 10 million who watched via illegal streams.

It’s all about the revenue.

We had predictions on here that it would do over 1 million buys!

ya there were some ppl sayng around 1m and that ppl who doubted that didnt now anything .

tbf 200-300 was the most selected range i recall on a current scene poll

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 19:47

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 19:41

tiny_acres wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 19:32

Most cards are not deserving of ppv

Yeh. Doesn’t matter if Matchroom want to bulk up the undercard like they tend to do.. a PPV’s main attraction is always the main event. People mostly have always bought a PPV for the main event.

People always defend the Brook-Gavin card because the undercard was good. I couldn’t give a flying fück to be honest.

Even the Joshua-Whyte card. Have to admit the undercard was decent. How many people bought that for anything other than the main event?

Don’t talk nonsense, people buy PPVs for Dave Allen

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 19:49

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 19:47

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 19:41

Yeh. Doesn’t matter if Matchroom want to bulk up the undercard like they tend to do.. a PPV’s main attraction is always the main event. People mostly have always bought a PPV for the main event.

People always defend the Brook-Gavin card because the undercard was good. I couldn’t give a flying fück to be honest.

Even the Joshua-Whyte card. Have to admit the undercard was decent. How many people bought that for anything other than the main event?

Don’t talk nonsense, people buy PPVs for Dave Allen

Of course.. him and David Price. He’s gonna really help the buys for Whyte-Chisora II..

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 19:55

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 19:49

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 19:47

Don’t talk nonsense, people buy PPVs for Dave Allen

Of course.. him and David Price. He’s gonna really help the buys for Whyte-Chisora II..

Dunno why I said that really, I quite like watching Dave Allen. David Price too.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 19:47

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 19:37

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 16:15

We had predictions on here that it would do over 1 million buys!

ya there were some ppl sayng around 1m and that ppl who doubted that didnt now anything .

tbf 200-300 was the most selected range i recall on a current scene poll

I honestly thought 600k plus.
Oh well I've been wrong more times than I can count

Stuarty wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 20:32 We live in an age where we have to look at all the shíte behind the scenes because of the way things are played out! It's not just boxing either. I'm a football fan and when I was younger I couldn't have told you the names of any of the top clubs owners! Nowadays they're all more or less household fuckin names!

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 20:39

Stuarty wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 20:32 We live in an age where we have to look at all the shíte behind the scenes because of the way things are played out! It's not just boxing either. I'm a football fan and when I was younger I couldn't have told you the names of any of the top clubs owners! Nowadays they're all more or less household fuckin names!

You’re not wrong there mate. Just used to enjoy the football. That’s probably kids now days. I think as we get older we get an understanding of the business side of things. So we get more involved. Unfortunately?

Stuarty wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 20:41

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 20:39

Stuarty wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 20:32 We live in an age where we have to look at all the shíte behind the scenes because of the way things are played out! It's not just boxing either. I'm a football fan and when I was younger I couldn't have told you the names of any of the top clubs owners! Nowadays they're all more or less household fuckin names!

You’re not wrong there mate. Just used to enjoy the football. That’s probably kids now days. I think as we get older we get an understanding of the business side of things. So we get more involved. Unfortunately?

Yeah you're probably right mate. In saying that I still don't understand it all

I'm a Rangers fan and I'm still confused about all the shíte that happened to us the last few years

tiny_acres wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 21:47

Stuarty wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 20:41

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Dec 2018, 20:39

You’re not wrong there mate. Just used to enjoy the football. That’s probably kids now days. I think as we get older we get an understanding of the business side of things. So we get more involved. Unfortunately?

Yeah you're probably right mate. In saying that I still don't understand it all

I'm a Rangers fan and I'm still confused about all the shíte that happened to us the last few years

Here in the states all team sports have salary caps. We have to argue about if a player is going to get a contract extension or cut because they aren't deserving of the money.
The owners are as well known as the players and some owners are better known.
No matter how much I love having the knowledge of the internet at my finger tips. I miss the days of just watching sports without the financials and politics that we not only have to listen to. But must weigh them as well