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dagilechia wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 12:27

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 12:25

dagilechia wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 12:23

i don't deny that he has a big power in his right hand but i doubt that he will knock out either Fury or Joshua (i also favour Usyk over him, i just think that Wilder wouldn't land clean on him, but it's just a guess, first Usyk must finally move to the HW) we will see. defeating old (but still good) Ortiz in a close bout and losing (sorry, i just can't see it even as a draw, imo at least 114-112 Fury) to Fury is still not enough to call him a A+ fighter. i will give A+ only to Usyk (at CW), Crawford and Lomachenko, maybe also Golovkin (but he's slighty past his prime) and Inoue (i'd rather give him A for now, but he clearly has A+ potential)

i just think that A+ should be awarded only to really wery special (almost unbeatable) fighters with big accomplishments, Wilder is very beatable and before Ortiz he was defending his title vs weak opponents. i also think that there shouldn't be more than one fighter that is ranked A+ in one division (except of very special cases like prime Mayweather and Pacquiao)

Ok, fair enough, but if "almost unbeatable" is the criteria, you can remove all HW's from the equation as they are all flawed, IMHO.

and so i did. A+ fighters imo are Usyk, Crawford, Lomachenko, prime Golovkin was as well, Inoue most likely will be

dagilechia wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 12:27

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 12:25

dagilechia wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 12:23

i don't deny that he has a big power in his right hand but i doubt that he will knock out either Fury or Joshua (i also favour Usyk over him, i just think that Wilder wouldn't land clean on him, but it's just a guess, first Usyk must finally move to the HW) we will see. defeating old (but still good) Ortiz in a close bout and losing (sorry, i just can't see it even as a draw, imo at least 114-112 Fury) to Fury is still not enough to call him a A+ fighter. i will give A+ only to Usyk (at CW), Crawford and Lomachenko, maybe also Golovkin (but he's slighty past his prime) and Inoue (i'd rather give him A for now, but he clearly has A+ potential)

i just think that A+ should be awarded only to really wery special (almost unbeatable) fighters with big accomplishments, Wilder is very beatable and before Ortiz he was defending his title vs weak opponents. i also think that there shouldn't be more than one fighter that is ranked A+ in one division (except of very special cases like prime Mayweather and Pacquiao)

Ok, fair enough, but if "almost unbeatable" is the criteria, you can remove all HW's from the equation as they are all flawed, IMHO.

and so i did. A+ fighters imo are Usyk, Crawford, Lomachenko, prime Golovkin was as well, Inoue most likely will be

apollo creed wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 13:53 Wilder got outboxed by an out of shape-semi-retired Fury.

dagilechia wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:04 surprised that nobody mentions Inoue

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:06

dagilechia wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:04 surprised that nobody mentions Inoue

Good point. Monster looks indestructible..

ironbeard wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:08

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:06

dagilechia wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:04 surprised that nobody mentions Inoue

Good point. Monster looks indestructible..

I have him listed at A- level currently.

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:09

ironbeard wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:08

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:06

Good point. Monster looks indestructible..

I have him listed at A- level currently.

Nery should have consideration as well. WE overlook the lower weight classes. Like that minimum weight dude whose name I forget just now.

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:14

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:09

ironbeard wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:08
I have him listed at A- level currently.

Nery should have consideration as well. WE overlook the lower weight classes. Like that minimum weight dude whose name I forget just now.

Moonsri, that's the guy.

ironbeard wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:17

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:14

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:09

Nery should have consideration as well. WE overlook the lower weight classes. Like that minimum weight dude whose name I forget just now.

Moonsri, that's the guy.

True, but I have issues with rating dudes from classes that I nearly completely ignore. I do have Nery at A- currently, due to PED issues.

ironbeard wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:08

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:06

dagilechia wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:04 surprised that nobody mentions Inoue

Good point. Monster looks indestructible..

I have him listed at A- level currently.

dagilechia wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:18

ironbeard wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:08

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:06

Good point. Monster looks indestructible..

I have him listed at A- level currently.

yeah and except of us nobody mentioned him, surprising but it's probably he's asian = less hyped

ironbeard wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 13:57 A+ =
Crawford
Usyk
Mikey

A =
Lomassiah
3G
Gvozdyk
E Alvarez
GingerHead
Spence
Berchelt
Jacobs

A- =

Hurd
LSC
TRex Jr.
GTank
Frampton
C Smith
Bivol
Kovalev
Jack
Inoue
Nery
Lara
Navarrette
Rungvisai
AJ
Fury

jamamb wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:23

ironbeard wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 13:57 A+ =
Crawford
Usyk
Mikey

A =
Lomassiah
3G
Gvozdyk
E Alvarez
GingerHead
Spence
Berchelt
Jacobs

A- =

Hurd
LSC
TRex Jr.
GTank
Frampton
C Smith
Bivol
Kovalev
Jack
Inoue
Nery
Lara
Navarrette
Rungvisai
AJ
Fury

this is a pretty solid list overall . id have inoue at a though if guys like dj, alvarez, gvo, and berchelt are. too soon for me to put nav in these groups as well but good potential for sure

loma for me might fit into a+ too, if not then the best guy not there.

overall though nice guideline

jamamb wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:36 not everyone has a hw boner like you though bruh

KiwiRider wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:53 Obviously the criteria for rating an A+ boxer is debatable.
In my humble opinion, an A+ guy is the one who is more than 50/50 against everyone else in their respective division.
Loma
Joshua
Inoue ( next year after WBSS)
Crawford
C Smith
Usyk

I can't think of any others that warrant the + on the A. Heaps of A fighters, but you have to be very special to get the +...

ValMar wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:47

jamamb wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:36 not everyone has a hw boner like you though bruh

This is my personal preference, and it is not hidden, but let us be honest and objective......

ironbeard wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 15:18

ValMar wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:47

jamamb wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:36 not everyone has a hw boner like you though bruh

This is my personal preference, and it is not hidden, but let us be honest and objective......

Replace your fishbait and zip up, ValMar.

ValMar wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 15:05

C. Smith ? No, definitely.
Inoue ? I am not sure, I haven't watched a lot of his fights, and his opponents were not on highest level, definitely. I agree, let us wait the outcome of WBSS.