Big Mouth Big Baby Miller still without an opponent.

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oogiebe wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 12:50
Enlightened-One wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 12:49
oogiebe wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 12:30
Of course. It's really a shame that the top 6-12 hw's aren't fighting each other. I know we all know that.
I don’t think the heavyweight fights were that bad for 2018, were they?

• Anthony Joshua vs. Joseph Parker
• Anthony Joshua vs. Alexander Povetkin
• Dereck Chisora vs. Carlos Takam
• Dillian Whyte vs. Lucas Browne
• Dillian Whyte vs. Joseph Parker
• Dillian Whyte vs. Dereck Chisora
• Deontay Wilder vs. Luis Ortiz
• Deontay Wilder vs. Tyson Fury

Honourable mention: Kubrat Pulev vs. Hughie Fury
To stay on topic, I notice that Miller's name doesn't come up in your list.
He's clearly risk averse. He really wants that AJ payday. I believe I noted that the average age of a ‘Big Baby’ opponent being roughly 39 years of age (based on his his most recent seven bouts prior to his last outing).
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oogiebe wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 12:49
conan_the_cribber wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 12:45
jamamb wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 12:41

so your saying miller should fight a sh!tty opponent :oo
I'm saying, he should fight someone to keep busy and this someone should be a top 25 fighter. I see this fight as an easy win for him, hence the suggestion. Hammer is not a shitty opponent. Someone ranked 100 in the world is a shitty opponent.
He's beyond fighting to stay busy. He needs to step it up. In fact there's another guy who needs to step it up and the two of them should fight each other. Miller vs Breazeale! They are both good at talking, let them show us. Hammer is a waste of time at this point. :TU:
Breazeale would be fine, but if he can't get him, then blame his management, not the fighter.
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The only criticism I have of Miller right now, is that he's blown up from 260-270 lbs to 315. That's bullshit. That's 50lbs of f*cking fat that no athlete needs. Why fight to get to the top and then reduce your chances by being a fat c*nt. I don't get it.
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conan_the_cribber wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 12:56
oogiebe wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 12:44
conan_the_cribber wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 12:37 Wow, apparently some fans obviously still take what boxers say about themselves seriously. I mean who cares about any boxer saying they are the best or the opposition is ducking them? Seriously. Haven't you heard that 10000 times already.

Miller is doing ok. He's worked himself up into a good position. 26 fights is about average for a career to get to this point. It's not like he's had 40 fights against tomato cans. He fought build up fights up in his first 18 fights and then has stepped up the level to boxers 25-75 for his next 6 fights. Anyone seriously criticizing this, doesn't really understand how boxing works.

We'll see what he's got in due time. But I think AJ, Wilder and Fury will have their dance cards booked for a while, so it might even be 2 years till he gets his chance at the top level. I can't imagine Potvekin will go near him, maybe Parker will. He should fight Christian Hammer, who is ranked 12 on boxrec, but is weak as watery poo.
I don't mind boxers who shoot off their mouths except where they have nothing behind it, such as Miller. Mouthing off has nothing to do with 'how boxing works' except when used to promote a particular event, and Miller vs TBA won't be helped by it. People who know boxing aren't taken in by the hot air. It's lame in this case. Just saying. I guess my overall point was due to him being 2 weeks away from fighting TBA, which is nothing for him to be blowing about. And Christian Hammer? You gotta be kidding! :OhYes:
Well I bow to your great knowledge of the sport. I'm sure by being cordial, humble and respectful, he's sure to grab plenty of air time in a division currently dominated by news articles about AJ, Wilder and Fury.

Point is, you don't know if he has nothing behind it. He's a decent hitter and has a decent work rate and has been taking out whoever is in front of him. It's not like he's got a loss to Ross Purrity on his record. You could literally say that anyone who has not fought the champs in their division has "nothing behind it".

And the fact that he has no opponent with two weeks to go before the fight is purely a management problem. But I'm sure you understand this as well, or maybe not.
I do understand that, and we all are frustrated by it. I just want him to be tested already. Then we'll know whether he's full of hot air or really a contender.
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Enlightened-One wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 12:56
oogiebe wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 12:50
Enlightened-One wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 12:49
I don’t think the heavyweight fights were that bad for 2018, were they?

• Anthony Joshua vs. Joseph Parker
• Anthony Joshua vs. Alexander Povetkin
• Dereck Chisora vs. Carlos Takam
• Dillian Whyte vs. Lucas Browne
• Dillian Whyte vs. Joseph Parker
• Dillian Whyte vs. Dereck Chisora
• Deontay Wilder vs. Luis Ortiz
• Deontay Wilder vs. Tyson Fury

Honourable mention: Kubrat Pulev vs. Hughie Fury
To stay on topic, I notice that Miller's name doesn't come up in your list.
He's clearly risk averse. He really wants that AJ payday. I believe I noted that the average age of a ‘Big Baby’ opponent being roughly 39 years of age (based on his his most recent seven bouts prior to his last outing).
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conan_the_cribber wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:01 The only criticism I have of Miller right now, is that he's blown up from 260-270 lbs to 315. That's bullshit. That's 50lbs of f*cking fat that no athlete needs. Why fight to get to the top and then reduce your chances by being a fat c*nt. I don't get it.
He claims he can run a six minute mile, which is fȕck¡ng fast! :lol:

I’d love to see him prove it. :yay:
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Enlightened-One wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:24
conan_the_cribber wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:01 The only criticism I have of Miller right now, is that he's blown up from 260-270 lbs to 315. That's bullshit. That's 50lbs of f*cking fat that no athlete needs. Why fight to get to the top and then reduce your chances by being a fat c*nt. I don't get it.
He claims he can run a six minute mile, which is fȕck¡ng fast! :lol:

I’d love to see him prove it. :yay:
6 minute mile? What a "maroon."
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Now I'm hearing more rumors about Trevor Bryan for January's fight.
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oogiebe wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:34 Now I'm hearing more rumors about Trevor Bryan for January's fight.
I highly doubt the #1 WBA contender would accept the fight on this short of notice.
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tiny_acres wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:36
oogiebe wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:34 Now I'm hearing more rumors about Trevor Bryan for January's fight.
I highly doubt the #1 WBA contender would accept the fight on this short of notice.
I know I wouldn't take it on such short notice, but that's what's being reported by "East Side Boxing". I doubt it will happen. With 2 1/2 weeks to go, it would be idiocy. Even with full training camp, Miller would walk through Bryan.
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oogiebe wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:38
tiny_acres wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:36
oogiebe wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:34 Now I'm hearing more rumors about Trevor Bryan for January's fight.
I highly doubt the #1 WBA contender would accept the fight on this short of notice.
I know I wouldn't take it on such short notice, but that's what's being reported by "East Side Boxing". I doubt it will happen. With 2 1/2 weeks to go, it would be idiocy. Even with full training camp, Miller would walk through Bryan.
I think Bryan is under rated.
Miller should win but this would not be a bad fight.
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tiny_acres wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:41
oogiebe wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:38
tiny_acres wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:36

I highly doubt the #1 WBA contender would accept the fight on this short of notice.
I know I wouldn't take it on such short notice, but that's what's being reported by "East Side Boxing". I doubt it will happen. With 2 1/2 weeks to go, it would be idiocy. Even with full training camp, Miller would walk through Bryan.
I think Bryan is under rated.
Miller should win but this would not be a bad fight.
I'm not sure why you would say he's underrated. His best win was a 12 rd decision against Derric Rossy who was KO'd 6 times, including Carlos Negron. Next big win was Flores, hardly someone who means much on one's resume.
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I think Bryan / Charr / Oquendo is the very best we can hope for.... :witzend:
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Pukka Cheese wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:45 I think Bryan / Charr / Oquendois the very best we can hope for.... :witzend:
Sounds reasonable, but horrible, isn't it... :brick:
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oogiebe wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:44
tiny_acres wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:41
oogiebe wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:38
I know I wouldn't take it on such short notice, but that's what's being reported by "East Side Boxing". I doubt it will happen. With 2 1/2 weeks to go, it would be idiocy. Even with full training camp, Miller would walk through Bryan.
I think Bryan is under rated.
Miller should win but this would not be a bad fight.
I'm not sure why you would say he's underrated. His best win was a 12 rd decision against Derric Rossy who was KO'd 6 times, including Carlos Negron. Next big win was Flores, hardly someone who means much on one's resume.
I've read people say he's not top 50.
I think he's easily top 20 right now. He could be a legitimate top 10 fighter. But we won't know for sure until he steps up
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tiny_acres wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:51
oogiebe wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:44
tiny_acres wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:41

I think Bryan is under rated.
Miller should win but this would not be a bad fight.
I'm not sure why you would say he's underrated. His best win was a 12 rd decision against Derric Rossy who was KO'd 6 times, including Carlos Negron. Next big win was Flores, hardly someone who means much on one's resume.
I've read people say he's not top 50.
I think he's easily top 20 right now. He could be a legitimate top 10 fighter. But we won't know for sure until he steps up
He fought once in 2018; Twice in 2017; he's either being mismanaged or his handlers don't want him exposed. Once he steps up he'll fall down, IMO.
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oogiebe wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:55
tiny_acres wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:51
oogiebe wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:44
I'm not sure why you would say he's underrated. His best win was a 12 rd decision against Derric Rossy who was KO'd 6 times, including Carlos Negron. Next big win was Flores, hardly someone who means much on one's resume.
I've read people say he's not top 50.
I think he's easily top 20 right now. He could be a legitimate top 10 fighter. But we won't know for sure until he steps up
He fought once in 2018; Twice in 2017; he's either being mismanaged or his handlers don't want him exposed. Once he steps up he'll fall down, IMO.
He's not being mismanaged since his sporadic schedule got him the #1 contender status
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tiny_acres wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 14:00
oogiebe wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:55
tiny_acres wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:51

I've read people say he's not top 50.
I think he's easily top 20 right now. He could be a legitimate top 10 fighter. But we won't know for sure until he steps up
He fought once in 2018; Twice in 2017; he's either being mismanaged or his handlers don't want him exposed. Once he steps up he'll fall down, IMO.
He's not being mismanaged since his sporadic schedule got him the #1 contender status
C'mon Tiny...WBA? Wasn't Charr the WBA champ not too long ago, after beating Ustinov by Dec? This guy isn't going anywhere.
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oogiebe wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 14:03
tiny_acres wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 14:00
oogiebe wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:55
He fought once in 2018; Twice in 2017; he's either being mismanaged or his handlers don't want him exposed. Once he steps up he'll fall down, IMO.
He's not being mismanaged since his sporadic schedule got him the #1 contender status
C'mon Tiny...WBA? Wasn't Charr the WBA champ not too long ago, after beating Ustinov by Dec? This guy isn't going anywhere.
I know the WBA ratings are the biggest joke.
But his management got him in position for a money fight.
This is a game of dollars and sense. He's in position to make dollars. So it makes sense
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Just on his ability and to further my point, Bryan was WBA #8 Contender 2.5 years ago. to be where he is today, here's his resume:

Galen Brown 44-33
Sandy Antonio Soto 2-24
Francois Russell 2-20
BJ Flores 34-3-1

So yeah, his management team worked some miracle! That's for certain!
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Enlightened-One wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:24
conan_the_cribber wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:01 The only criticism I have of Miller right now, is that he's blown up from 260-270 lbs to 315. That's bullshit. That's 50lbs of f*cking fat that no athlete needs. Why fight to get to the top and then reduce your chances by being a fat c*nt. I don't get it.
He claims he can run a six minute mile, which is fȕck¡ng fast! :lol:

I’d love to see him prove it. :yay:
I saw a 400lb NFL player run 80m in under 10s so i guess anything is possible. But lets say it's very f*cking unlikely. Vitali K used to run 12 times 800m as preparation for a match. each 800m in 3 minutes. One minute break between laps. Two of these equate to 6minute mile. However there was no fat on Vitali. If Miller could do it, then he'd be gassed for sure.

And my main point. If youve got million dollar pay days winking at u, why even get yourself into such a pathetic state.
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conan_the_cribber wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 14:15
Enlightened-One wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:24
conan_the_cribber wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 13:01 The only criticism I have of Miller right now, is that he's blown up from 260-270 lbs to 315. That's bullshit. That's 50lbs of f*cking fat that no athlete needs. Why fight to get to the top and then reduce your chances by being a fat c*nt. I don't get it.
He claims he can run a six minute mile, which is fȕck¡ng fast! :lol:

I’d love to see him prove it. :yay:
I saw a 400lb NFL player run 80m in under 10s so i guess anything is possible. But lets say it's very f*cking unlikely. Vitali K used to run 12 times 800m as preparation for a match. each 800m in 3 minutes. One minute break between laps. Two of these equate to 6minute mile. However there was no fat on Vitali. If Miller could do it, then he'd be gassed for sure.

And my main point. If youve got million dollar pay days winking at u, why even get yourself into such a pathetic state.
Like his mouth, I really believe Miller's bulk is part of his 'brand.' If he ever fights a Parker or Ortiz even, he'll be gassed faster than Shannon Briggs running a 100 meter sprint.
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honestly there are very few current hws fit enough, busy enough, and good enough to make him pay much for the fat imo. and i think his stamina may actually be on the better side for todays hws, as odd as it sounds given his weight. to me his flaws are more that hes basic and plodding , easy to hit, and seems to only have cumulative power , which is a disadvantage at top level vs aj and wilder

but id still take him ove guys like parker tbh. he could be one of the best 5 at hw imo its feasible , hes just not elite
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jamamb wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 14:39 honestly there are very few current hws fit enough, busy enough, and good enough to make him pay much for the fat imo. and i think his stamina may actually be on the better side for todays hws, as odd as it sounds given his weight
No, it doesn't sound odd. He has a high work rate and doesn't really seem to get gassed. A real good boxer/puncher would expose any stamina issue Miller might have. But I'm short on thinking of one.
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I have no issue with Miller. I hope he fights the 18th.
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