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Coco wrote: ↑24 Mar 2019, 17:53 I think Eddie will take boxing and his other sports over to DAZ.
This will leave a space at SKY, my prediction is a deal with MTK

Aside from boxing does he have any input at all in snooker and darts? I’ve never seen him at any events for those “sports”.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Mar 2019, 19:19

maverick23 wrote: ↑24 Mar 2019, 17:33

Avitar wrote: ↑24 Mar 2019, 16:36 Anyone think its currently value for boxing.. i mean if i had sky sports only for boxing the subscription would be an absolute ripper.. also i think the only reason that sky even show boxing as part of the subscription is to drum up exposure for there ppv shows.

I think the start of the year has been disappointing with regards to U.K. shows but I personally am enjoying the US based DAZN shows.

If someone was paying for Skysports just for the boxing then I’d agree it’s not value for money but the majority of people who subscribe to Sky Sports do so for more than one sport.

Same with BT Sports. I think the boxing coverage on BT this year has been crap but I love the UFC so will keep paying for it.

Yeh Sky have the DAZN cards here but it’s PST midnight we don’t get to enjoy the prime time boxing anymore.

This last weekend was the first World title headliner we’ve had in a while. And it was a Flyweight bout. Edwards is a no name.. it was at the Copper Box. A venue mostly FW used.

We talk about British boxing booming but we only have Edwards, Yafai, Warrington, Callum Smith and Joshua with a world title and challengers being shipped as clear underdogs. Maybe the boom is on a hiatus

Boxing Prospect wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 03:42

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Mar 2019, 19:19

maverick23 wrote: ↑24 Mar 2019, 17:33

Avitar wrote: ↑24 Mar 2019, 16:36 Anyone think its currently value for boxing.. i mean if i had sky sports only for boxing the subscription would be an absolute ripper.. also i think the only reason that sky even show boxing as part of the subscription is to drum up exposure for there ppv shows.

I think the start of the year has been disappointing with regards to U.K. shows but I personally am enjoying the US based DAZN shows.

If someone was paying for Skysports just for the boxing then I’d agree it’s not value for money but the majority of people who subscribe to Sky Sports do so for more than one sport.

Same with BT Sports. I think the boxing coverage on BT this year has been crap but I love the UFC so will keep paying for it.

Yeh Sky have the DAZN cards here but it’s PST midnight we don’t get to enjoy the prime time boxing anymore.

This last weekend was the first World title headliner we’ve had in a while. And it was a Flyweight bout. Edwards is a no name.. it was at the Copper Box. A venue mostly FW used.

We talk about British boxing booming but we only have Edwards, Yafai, Warrington, Callum Smith and Joshua with a world title and challengers being shipped as clear underdogs. Maybe the boom is on a hiatus

It was booming 3 years ago. Now it’s on a hiatus like you said..

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Mar 2019, 19:19

maverick23 wrote: ↑24 Mar 2019, 17:33

Avitar wrote: ↑24 Mar 2019, 16:36 Anyone think its currently value for boxing.. i mean if i had sky sports only for boxing the subscription would be an absolute ripper.. also i think the only reason that sky even show boxing as part of the subscription is to drum up exposure for there ppv shows.

I think the start of the year has been disappointing with regards to U.K. shows but I personally am enjoying the US based DAZN shows.

If someone was paying for Skysports just for the boxing then I’d agree it’s not value for money but the majority of people who subscribe to Sky Sports do so for more than one sport.

Same with BT Sports. I think the boxing coverage on BT this year has been crap but I love the UFC so will keep paying for it.

Yeh Sky have the DAZN cards here but it’s PST midnight we don’t get to enjoy the prime time boxing anymore.

This last weekend was the first World title headliner we’ve had in a while. And it was a Flyweight bout. Edwards is a no name.. it was at the Copper Box. A venue mostly FW used.

My understanding is that the US/overseas shows should be in addition to the U.K. shows. If that’s not the case and they’re a replacement for U.K. shows then that would be disappointing.

I’ve enjoyed most of the US shows. Record it, get up at 7.30/8am and watch it for 3 hours with a pot coffee - keeps me happy anyway!

I reasonably enjoyed the card at the weekend (I preferred it to the Cheeseman show anyway). The Ritson fight was good, 2 albeit one sided British title fights and Edwards boxed well in the main event. For a no-name they seemed to have a decent crowd in there. Why’s it an issue if it’s at the Copper Box? Not every show is going to be 10k plus crowds. Again, going back 10 years there were several shows a year on Sky that were in leisure centres with, on some shows, not even 1,000 people there.

Hearn said something quite telling in an interview recently. He intimated that whilst Sky have been great partners to Matchroom the reverse was true too and that Matchroom were more valuable to Sky then Sky were to them. He sounded quite confident of that and also the tone suggested he was tired of people suggesting he was lucky to have the Sky contract. Hearn believes in the streaming model and its only a matter of time before DAZN launch in the UK and Hearn follows them. Do Matchroom have equity in DAZN? Is Hearn on the board etc??

dbf wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 07:05 Hearn said something quite telling in an interview recently. He intimated that whilst Sky have been great partners to Matchroom the reverse was true too and that Matchroom were more valuable to Sky then Sky were to them. He sounded quite confident of that and also the tone suggested he was tired of people suggesting he was lucky to have the Sky contract. Hearn believes in the streaming model and its only a matter of time before DAZN launch in the UK and Hearn follows them. Do Matchroom have equity in DAZN? Is Hearn on the board etc??

Interesting. I think certainly until fairly recently Matchroom/Eddie WERE incredibly lucky to have the Sky contract, but to be fair to Eddie he took the opportunity and made the most of it, and has perhaps outgrown Sky now with the finances available via the US market and PPV in the UK with DAZN. I think Sky may live to regret the exclusivity contract, albeit they themselves have made a bomb from it over the past 6 years or so.

ShadrachSimmo wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 02:51

Coco wrote: ↑24 Mar 2019, 17:53 I think Eddie will take boxing and his other sports over to DAZ.
This will leave a space at SKY, my prediction is a deal with MTK

Aside from boxing does he have any input at all in snooker and darts? I’ve never seen him at any events for those “sports”.

I think Barry runs the darts and snooker side of things, Eddie does the boxing.

Coco wrote: ↑24 Mar 2019, 17:53 I think Eddie will take boxing and his other sports over to DAZ.
This will leave a space at SKY, my prediction is a deal with MTK

Will Sky want to deal with MTK with all the alleged shadiness / baggage that comes with them?

dave_smith wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 07:37

Coco wrote: ↑24 Mar 2019, 17:53 I think Eddie will take boxing and his other sports over to DAZ.
This will leave a space at SKY, my prediction is a deal with MTK

Will Sky want to deal with MTK with all the alleged shadiness / baggage that comes with them?

I am interested to see how long DAZN are around. I doubt they can ever make a return. All the money they are paying out yet i doubt their subscribers are high.

Ps that anti MTK account is brutal on twitter.

I cannot see Sky working with a promoter who will struggle to get "title fights" and how many belts will MTK need to make up.

I think Matchroom are in a position to "jump" ship - Darts is getting more and more coverage on ITV - I think it is a ratings winner. Also more Snooker is on ITV suggesting a decent relationship with the other sports.

My worry for Hearn is, is he placing his eggs in one basket. I'm not convinced the DAZN model is sustainable - it stinks of Setanta. The money they are paying and the deals they are making are ridiculous. Golovkin will be almost 40 by the end of his contract - he's already showing clear sign of being worn.

It was my insipration for my "are promoters dropping the ball" thread - I cannot see how EH is making money on these US bills in small arena's - just the money he is paying his fighters.

Glass Joe wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 08:17

dave_smith wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 07:37

Coco wrote: ↑24 Mar 2019, 17:53 I think Eddie will take boxing and his other sports over to DAZ.
This will leave a space at SKY, my prediction is a deal with MTK

Will Sky want to deal with MTK with all the alleged shadiness / baggage that comes with them?

I am interested to see how long DAZN are around. I doubt they can ever make a return. All the money they are paying out yet i doubt their subscribers are high.

Ps that anti MTK account is brutal on twitter.

x 2 on Dazn. Those deals are ridiculous and the rumoured - lets get fighters on as an executor - how many executors do they want! It cannot be sustainable.

Dazn is not going to be profitable in the States off of boxing. Sorry y'all are enduring what happened here a few decades back. Eddie is an excellent promoter but his ego is out of whack if he thinks he can get Americans to care about boxing.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 08:27 Dazn is not going to be profitable in the States off of boxing. Sorry y'all are enduring what happened here a few decades back. Eddie is an excellent promoter but his ego is out of whack if he thinks he can get Americans to care about boxing.

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stujones wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 08:21 I cannot see Sky working with a promoter who will struggle to get "title fights" and how many belts will MTK need to make up.

I think Matchroom are in a position to "jump" ship - Darts is getting more and more coverage on ITV - I think it is a ratings winner. Also more Snooker is on ITV suggesting a decent relationship with the other sports.

My worry for Hearn is, is he placing his eggs in one basket. I'm not convinced the DAZN model is sustainable - it stinks of Setanta. The money they are paying and the deals they are making are ridiculous. Golovkin will be almost 40 by the end of his contract - he's already showing clear sign of being worn.

It was my insipration for my "are promoters dropping the ball" thread - I cannot see how EH is making money on these US bills in small arena's - just the money he is paying his fighters.

I don’t think Matchroom will jump with Boxing and I doubt very much with their other sports.

The volume of snooker and darts tournaments have increased massively in the last 5 or so years so other stations like ITV/Quest/even the BBC have got in on Darts and several other channels also have the Snooker. Plus I think Sky have a fairly lengthy contract for the big darts tournaments as do BBC for the snooker.

Barry is extremely shrewd and won’t lump everything on DAZN in case it doesn’t work.

I interpreted Eddie’s interview as more of statement of facts - if Sky Sports want bigger Saturday fight nights then they’ll need to pay more. If not then it’s shows like Saturday/this coming Saturday. I can’t see Eddie taking the U.K. boxing elsewhere, at least not in the next 4-5 years. I’m sure it will help his next negotiation with Sky though if/when it comes time for a contract renewal.

Glass Joe wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 08:17

dave_smith wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 07:37

Coco wrote: ↑24 Mar 2019, 17:53 I think Eddie will take boxing and his other sports over to DAZ.
This will leave a space at SKY, my prediction is a deal with MTK

Will Sky want to deal with MTK with all the alleged shadiness / baggage that comes with them?

I am interested to see how long DAZN are around. I doubt they can ever make a return. All the money they are paying out yet i doubt their subscribers are high.

Ps that anti MTK account is brutal on twitter.

In terms of the DAZ package, boxing included, it is Barry not Eddie in control. When it comes to the pound note Barry knows what he is doing and Eddie isn't far behind. Streaming services like NetFlix are the way forward.
MTK, despite rumours about them are leaping forward, they already have Fury and Saunders and will continue to snap up fighters, they already have a TV deal too. These rumours clearly have not hurt them, money talks.
And they have an existing relationship with Macklin.

dbf wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 07:05 Hearn said something quite telling in an interview recently. He intimated that whilst Sky have been great partners to Matchroom the reverse was true too and that Matchroom were more valuable to Sky then Sky were to them. He sounded quite confident of that and also the tone suggested he was tired of people suggesting he was lucky to have the Sky contract. Hearn believes in the streaming model and its only a matter of time before DAZN launch in the UK and Hearn follows them. Do Matchroom have equity in DAZN? Is Hearn on the board etc??

Matchroom could create an app, stick on mobile, ipad, PC, consoles - even TVs like Samsung, LG etc.

Then leave sky.

You don't need a cable / satellite box nowadays to consume content. As long as you have internet, you are laughing.

At the end of the day, a lot of people who stream illegally would buy the genuine article if it was reasonably priced and not hidden behind an annual subscription agreement.

G0mez wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 10:05

dbf wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 07:05 Hearn said something quite telling in an interview recently. He intimated that whilst Sky have been great partners to Matchroom the reverse was true too and that Matchroom were more valuable to Sky then Sky were to them. He sounded quite confident of that and also the tone suggested he was tired of people suggesting he was lucky to have the Sky contract. Hearn believes in the streaming model and its only a matter of time before DAZN launch in the UK and Hearn follows them. Do Matchroom have equity in DAZN? Is Hearn on the board etc??

At the end of the day, a lot of people who stream illegally would buy the genuine article if it was reasonably priced

Nope

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 11:11

G0mez wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 10:05

dbf wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 07:05 Hearn said something quite telling in an interview recently. He intimated that whilst Sky have been great partners to Matchroom the reverse was true too and that Matchroom were more valuable to Sky then Sky were to them. He sounded quite confident of that and also the tone suggested he was tired of people suggesting he was lucky to have the Sky contract. Hearn believes in the streaming model and its only a matter of time before DAZN launch in the UK and Hearn follows them. Do Matchroom have equity in DAZN? Is Hearn on the board etc??

At the end of the day, a lot of people who stream illegally would buy the genuine article if it was reasonably priced

Nope

Why not?

ShadrachSimmo wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 02:51

Coco wrote: ↑24 Mar 2019, 17:53 I think Eddie will take boxing and his other sports over to DAZ.
This will leave a space at SKY, my prediction is a deal with MTK

Aside from boxing does he have any input at all in snooker and darts? I’ve never seen him at any events for those “sports”.

no Fast Eddie is MatchRoom Boxing only. Barry still manages the rest and says he'll carry on working 'til he drops down dead.

banjo wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 11:25

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 11:11

G0mez wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 10:05

dbf wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 07:05 Hearn said something quite telling in an interview recently. He intimated that whilst Sky have been great partners to Matchroom the reverse was true too and that Matchroom were more valuable to Sky then Sky were to them. He sounded quite confident of that and also the tone suggested he was tired of people suggesting he was lucky to have the Sky contract. Hearn believes in the streaming model and its only a matter of time before DAZN launch in the UK and Hearn follows them. Do Matchroom have equity in DAZN? Is Hearn on the board etc??

At the end of the day, a lot of people who stream illegally would buy the genuine article if it was reasonably priced

Nope

Why not?

People are what they are.
The people that stream now will always stream if they can, doesn’t matter if it’s £99 or 99p

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 11:11

G0mez wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 10:05

dbf wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 07:05 Hearn said something quite telling in an interview recently. He intimated that whilst Sky have been great partners to Matchroom the reverse was true too and that Matchroom were more valuable to Sky then Sky were to them. He sounded quite confident of that and also the tone suggested he was tired of people suggesting he was lucky to have the Sky contract. Hearn believes in the streaming model and its only a matter of time before DAZN launch in the UK and Hearn follows them. Do Matchroom have equity in DAZN? Is Hearn on the board etc??

At the end of the day, a lot of people who stream illegally would buy the genuine article if it was reasonably priced

Nope

Pretty much every major fight stream crashes as they do't have the bandwidth.

An official stream in HD with no buffering, pop-ups or crashing at the main event is worth a couple of quid of any serious fan's money.

G0mez wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 11:36

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 11:11

G0mez wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 10:05

dbf wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 07:05 Hearn said something quite telling in an interview recently. He intimated that whilst Sky have been great partners to Matchroom the reverse was true too and that Matchroom were more valuable to Sky then Sky were to them. He sounded quite confident of that and also the tone suggested he was tired of people suggesting he was lucky to have the Sky contract. Hearn believes in the streaming model and its only a matter of time before DAZN launch in the UK and Hearn follows them. Do Matchroom have equity in DAZN? Is Hearn on the board etc??

At the end of the day, a lot of people who stream illegally would buy the genuine article if it was reasonably priced

Nope

Pretty much every major fight stream crashes as they do't have the bandwidth.

An official stream in HD with no buffering, pop-ups or crashing at the main event is worth a couple of quid of any serious fan's money.

Any serious fan is paying for fights they want to see.

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 11:33

banjo wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 11:25

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 11:11

G0mez wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 10:05

dbf wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 07:05 Hearn said something quite telling in an interview recently. He intimated that whilst Sky have been great partners to Matchroom the reverse was true too and that Matchroom were more valuable to Sky then Sky were to them. He sounded quite confident of that and also the tone suggested he was tired of people suggesting he was lucky to have the Sky contract. Hearn believes in the streaming model and its only a matter of time before DAZN launch in the UK and Hearn follows them. Do Matchroom have equity in DAZN? Is Hearn on the board etc??

At the end of the day, a lot of people who stream illegally would buy the genuine article if it was reasonably priced

Nope

Why not?

People are what they are.
The people that stream now will always stream if they can, doesn’t matter if it’s £99 or 99p

Explains why Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime and Spotify are failing to attract customers i guess...

All I know is, constant & unnecessary PPVs are definitely very damaging for the sport. I’ve definitely lost interest over the last couple of years if I’m honest - I just don’t have the money or inclination to buy Sky Sports plus BT Sports plus Sky PPV plus BT PPV plus ITV PPV. Maybe I’m just a casual now

G0mez wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 11:36

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 11:11

G0mez wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 10:05

dbf wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 07:05 Hearn said something quite telling in an interview recently. He intimated that whilst Sky have been great partners to Matchroom the reverse was true too and that Matchroom were more valuable to Sky then Sky were to them. He sounded quite confident of that and also the tone suggested he was tired of people suggesting he was lucky to have the Sky contract. Hearn believes in the streaming model and its only a matter of time before DAZN launch in the UK and Hearn follows them. Do Matchroom have equity in DAZN? Is Hearn on the board etc??

At the end of the day, a lot of people who stream illegally would buy the genuine article if it was reasonably priced

Nope

Pretty much every major fight stream crashes as they do't have the bandwidth.

An official stream in HD with no buffering, pop-ups or crashing at the main event is worth a couple of quid of any serious fan's money.

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