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Fair enough Tiny but my opinion is that the forum has already voted on the standing of the various fighters so we need only concern ourselves with what happens since the last time we voted. Not everyone agrees with me. That's fair enough too.

Voting on the #15 so far (after 7 votes):

1. Michael Hunter - 16(11) 1(0) 0 - 14 points (1, 1, -, 1, -, 2, 1)
2. Joe Joyce - 8(8) 0 0 - 8 points (-, 2, 1, 2, -, 3, -)
3. Christian Hammer - 24(14) 6(3) 0 - 7 points (-, -, 2, -, 1, -. 2)
4. Andy Ruiz Jr - 32(21) 1(0) 0 - 4 points (-, -, -, 3, -, 1, -)
5. Robert Helenius - 28(17) 2(1) 0 - 3 point (-, 3, -, -, 2, -, -)
6. Hughie Fury - 21(11) 2(0) 0 - 2 points (2, -, -, -, -, -, -)
6. Sergey Kuzmin - 15(11) 0 0 - 2 points (-, -, 3, -, -, -, 3)
8. Artur Szpilka - 22(15) 3(3) 0 - 1 point (-, -, -, -, 3, -, -)
8. Carlos Takam - 36(28) 5(3) 1 - 1 point (3, -, -, -, -, -, -)

bump

But surely the Takam KO surely puts him ahead of the likes of Hunter and Hammer?!

I'm perplexed that Hunter is so highly revered after only 4 pro fights at heavyweight.

When I took a look at the boxrec HW rankings after Andy Ruiz won, it has bumped him right up to #12
I don't think that could be a mitigating factor, personally I don't rate his win that highly

KiwiRider wrote: ↑21 Apr 2019, 17:04 When I took a look at the boxrec HW rankings after Andy Ruiz won, it has bumped him right up to #12
I don't think that could be a mitigating factor, personally I don't rate his win that highly

Compare that with the fighters around him in the rankings and their 'accomplishments.'

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Apr 2019, 17:07 Compare that with the fighters around him in the rankings and their 'accomplishments.'

Noted.
What separates our list is; we evaluate those accomplishments with the "eye test" and mine told me Ruiz beat a shot guy (after that performance) I would label a future journeyman, not even a gatekeeper.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑21 Apr 2019, 17:26 Noted.
What separates our list is; we evaluate those accomplishments with the "eye test" and mine told me Ruiz beat a shot guy (after that performance) I would label a future journeyman, not even a gatekeeper.

He did. Just that the others don't have much if anything much better. Also, Ruiz has those quick hands and is durable. He's no world beater, but who of those around him would you favor? That comes into to play for me as well as resume, even though some here would not agree.

I like Ruiz but he has been so inactive I've stopped considering him as a top 15 fighter. It's good to see him back and the Dimitrenko win puts him back in the reckoning but not quite enough to force his way back in as I see it. It's not easy though. There are upwards of half a dozen fighters who could replace Miller in the rankings with little to choose between them.

Just a short while ago we were discussing whether Miller deserved to be ranked above Pulev. What a twat !

If Ruiz can throw in another two fights this year, he'd win me over a bit.

Fat chance though (pun intended).

I think he's good enough. He showed he was on a level with Parker, and Parker has proved to me he's worthy of a high ranking even if he lost his last two fights at world level. The Whyte fight was a bloody close call for Whyte.

Voting on the #15 so far (after 8 votes):

1. Michael Hunter - 16(11) 1(0) 0 - 14 points (1, 1, -, 1, -, 2, 1, -)
2. Joe Joyce - 8(8) 0 0 - 8 points (-, 2, 1, 2, -, 3, -, -)
3. Christian Hammer - 24(14) 6(3) 0 - 7 points (-, -, 2, -, 1, -. 2, -)
4. Andy Ruiz Jr - 32(21) 1(0) 0 - 4 points (-, -, -, 3, -, 1, -, -)
5. Efe Ajagba - 9(8) 0 0 - 3 points (-, -, -, -, -, -, -, 1)
5. Robert Helenius - 28(17) 2(1) 0 - 3 points (-, 3, -, -, 2, -, -, -)
7. Daniel Dubois - 10(9) 0 0 - 2 points (-, -, -, -, -, -, -, 2)
7. Hughie Fury - 21(11) 2(0) 0 - 2 points (2, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
7. Sergey Kuzmin - 15(11) 0 0 - 2 points (-, -, 3, -, -, -, 3, -)
10. Evgeniy Romanov - 12(9) 0 0 - 1 point (-, -, -, -, -, -, -, 3)
10. Artur Szpilka - 22(15) 3(3) 0 - 1 point (-, -, -, -, 3, -, -, -)
10. Carlos Takam - 36(28) 5(3) 1 - 1 point (3, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)

Boksgek wrote: ↑22 Apr 2019, 10:05 Why? Since the mass bannings of everyone that isn't pro Wilder, this whole forum is pretty much full of Ameritards.

Chisora rank 6 (he's obviously better then Ortiz).

Efe Ajagba 3
Daniel Dubois 2
Evgeny Romanov 1

Assedfukt, nostrodumbass puss warts
Please stop changing your name.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑22 Apr 2019, 16:53 Assedfukt, nostrodumbass puss warts
Please stop changing your name.

Perhaps he's not bright enough to remember one name.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑22 Apr 2019, 18:26 Perhaps he's not bright enough to remember one name.

I would believe that

chisora no change. i struggle to see how you drop him that far for a dominant win given the state of the division. just not that many other guys below whove really stamped there mark. fair play if u didnt rate him top 15 before, but a lot of guys voting him out did.

ruiz 3 points
hunter 2
joyce 1

ruiz still gets cred from me for beating parker on my card, ya i know hes fat as holy f@ck but still. and he at least beat dimmy a lot easier then jennings did

hunter gave usyk a good fight and looked good at hw so far. the win over bakole seems better now that bakole dominated wach, certanly much better then szpilka did

i was debating between joyce and a more veteran guy like takam, but i decided to go for a fresh face

btw if hrgovics at 14 we might as well start voting in guys like ajagba and yoka and dubois

jamamb wrote: ↑22 Apr 2019, 18:38 btw if hrgovics at 14 we might as well start voting in guys like ajagba and yoka and dubois

Nah.

jamamb wrote: ↑22 Apr 2019, 18:38 btw if hrgovics at 14 we might as well start voting in guys like ajagba and yoka and dubois

Yoka is serving a ban for failure to show up for drug testing

tiny_acres wrote: ↑22 Apr 2019, 18:47 Yoka is serving a ban for failure to show up for drug testing

Yoka will end up as a never was.

Chisora to remain. He won easily, despite not looking impressive against an extremely negative opponent. Had he been ranked higher, I'd say drop him, but those around him haven't done better than Del's KO of Takam.

For the 15 spot:

1. Michael Hunter 3pts
2. Joe Joyce 2pts
3. Hughie Fury 1pt

Question A: How are the rankings affected by Dereck Chisora's (#12) UD 10 win over Senad Gashi (unranked, BoxRec's #307)

My vote: Chisora no change, Gashi remains unranked.

Question B: Who should take the #15 spot?

My vote:

1. Christian Hammer 3 points
2. Andy Ruiz 2 points
3. Sergej Kuzmin 1 point

Chisora No change.

Winning fights clearly should not drop your ranking.

Vote for vacant 15

3 p Ruiz
2 p Hunter
1 p Helenius

Heretic wrote: ↑23 Apr 2019, 06:25

Winning fights clearly should not drop your ranking.

Well said H

Voting on the #15 so far (after 12 votes):

1. Michael Hunter - 16(11) 1(0) 0 - 21 points (1, 1, -, 1, -, 2, 1, -, 2, 1, -, 2)
2. Andy Ruiz Jr - 32(21) 1(0) 0 - 12 points (-, -, -, 3, -, 1, -, -, 1, -, 2, 1)
3. Joe Joyce - 8(8) 0 0 - 11 points (-, 2, 1, 2, -, 3, -, -, 3, 2, -, -)
4. Christian Hammer - 24(14) 6(3) 0 - 10 points (-, -, 2, -, 1, -. 2, -, -, -, 1, -)
5. Robert Helenius - 28(17) 2(1) 0 - 4 points (-, 3, -, -, 2, -, -, -, -, -, -, 3)
6. Efe Ajagba - 9(8) 0 0 - 3 points (-, -, -, -, -, -, -, 1, -, -, -, -)
6. Hughie Fury - 21(11) 2(0) 0 - 3 points (2, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, 3, -, -)
6. Sergey Kuzmin - 15(11) 0 0 - 3 points (-, -, 3, -, -, -, 3, -, -, -, 3, -)
9. Daniel Dubois - 10(9) 0 0 - 2 points (-, -, -, -, -, -, -, 2, -, -, - ,-)
10. Evgeniy Romanov - 12(9) 0 0 - 1 point (-, -, -, -, -, -, -, 3, -, -, -, -)
10. Artur Szpilka - 22(15) 3(3) 0 - 1 point (-, -, -, -, 3, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
10. Carlos Takam - 36(28) 5(3) 1 - 1 point (3, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)