Danny Garcia vs. Mikey Garcia - August 2019?

[jamamb]

could also easily have another loss (herrera)

dannys a real good fighter but a lot of the time it just looks like hes going through the motions and he gives away rounds

[Evander]

Thurman beat Danny and Errol beat Mikey right ?

[caldo2025]

Would Danny Garcia be somewhat competitive with Spence?

Or would he be shut out too....or worse?

I think DSG vs Spence would be fantastic. With Spence’s lack of defense and Danny’s ridiculous left hand, I see Spence tested as hard as he’s ever been tested with Danny.

[Ruthless-RKO]

That’s my point. Danny could easily still be undefeated if 1 round in each was scored the other way in a slew of rounds that were way too evenly fought to confidently award either fighter the round.

Danny looked amazing in his last fight and finally looks like he’s got his confidence back. Not sure I’d want him to suck back down to 140 again for this one so hopefully a catch weight somewhere north of it.

Bue he isn't. Just like GGG isn't. Difference is, with GGG-Canelo 1&2, you could put an asterix next to them.

Whereas Garcia vs. Thurman/Porter, it was a fair loss, no controversy. He only has himself to blame.

Ofcourse he was gonna look good and let himself go, he was fighting Granados. When did he lost his confidence?

[caldo2025]

Bue he isn't. Just like GGG isn't. Difference is, with GGG-Canelo 1&2, you could put an asterix next to them.

Whereas Garcia vs. Thurman/Porter, it was a fair loss, no controversy. He only has himself to blame.

Ofcourse he was gonna look good and let himself go, he was fighting Granados. When did he lost his confidence?

Come on. I’ve seen your posts for some time now. You definitely know the game so I can’t call you a hack like most of these dickfaces here but you’re off on this one.

I have no problem with the Thurman decision but Porter? Porter won rounds on cards that blew my mind. Go back sometime when you have insomnia and watch that fight with the actual scorecards in front of you. You will end up agreeing with me. Garbage decision. What Porter does is not boxing but judges continue to reward him while the refs refuse to penalize him. Crazy.

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Come on. I’ve seen your posts for some time now. You definitely know the game so I can’t call you a hack like most of these dickfaces here but you’re off on this one.

I have no problem with the Thurman decision but Porter? Porter won rounds on cards that blew my mind. Go back sometime when you have insomnia and watch that fight with the actual scorecards in front of you. You will end up agreeing with me. Garbage decision. What Porter does is not boxing but judges continue to reward him while the refs refuse to penalize him. Crazy.

Thanks.

Porter is a wrestler. Straight up. His fights are a bástard to score. I don't even bother mast times. Thing is there has been boxers who ‘fight’ like Porter does in the past. You gotta beat them at their own game.

It’s like the way Whyte was wrestling Parker. I felt that was unfair, but nothing was done there.

[Ruthless-RKO]

They fought in the Golden Gloves back in the day. I think Mikey beat him. Mikey beat Danny in the Nationals. That is going to be a good fight

[Impractical Poster]

Size matters in all weight divisions - even heavyweight.

There’s a reason why weight classes exist.

A new weight division may be required between cruiser and heavyweight.

Let's hope not.

Regarding heavyweights... A few of heavyweights heaviest punchers have been around 220 lbs

[Enlightened-One]

Let's hope not.

Regarding heavyweights... A few of heavyweights heaviest punchers have been around 220 lbs

A few notable exceptions don’t disprove the general rule.

I performed some analysis about a year ago via the BoxRec rankings and discovered that the average weight of a top 60 heavyweight fighter is around the 247lbs mark.

And according to BoxRec's top sixty ratings, 45% of heavyweights typically weigh around the 250lb-mark or more.

This concurred with The RING ratings, whereby the average height of a top-ten rated heavyweight was 6’ 4½”, weighing 248lbs.

I can provide you with the list of the sixty fighters used for the above stats if you want it.

And as you probably already realise, cruiserweights aren’t allowed to officially weigh more than 200lbs, so the “size” disparity (at least by weight) is pretty significant between the average competitors competing in both weight classes.

We already know that the sports’ governing bodies have recently considered implementing an additional weight class between cruiser and heavy. And it seems inevitable that within the next decade one will eventually be introduced.

I’m not saying that 220lb-ers cannot gain success against much bigger men, but it’s harder to do so and is not commonplace.

[Impractical Poster]

A few notable exceptions don’t disprove the general rule.

I performed some analysis about a year ago via the BoxRec rankings and discovered that the average weight of a top 60 heavyweight fighter is around the 247lbs mark.

And according to BoxRec's top sixty ratings, 45% of heavyweights typically weigh around the 250lb-mark or more.

This concurred with The RING ratings, whereby the average height of a top-ten rated heavyweight was 6’ 4½”, weighing 248lbs.

I can provide you with the list of the sixty fighters used for the above stats if you want it.

And as you probably already realise, cruiserweights aren’t allowed to officially weigh more than 200lbs, so the “size” disparity (at least by weight) is pretty significant between the average competitors competing in both weight classes.

We already know that the sports’ governing bodies have recently considered implementing an additional weight class between cruiser and heavy. And it seems inevitable that within the next decade one will eventually be introduced.

I’m not saying that 220lb-ers cannot gain success against much bigger men, but it’s harder to do so and is not commonplace.

I see what you are saying now. It was worded weird to me. I think instead of making a division between CW & HW, they should just add a Super Heavy division. Say 130 and above. Or maybe extend the CW range to 210. I just don't like the idea of so many divisions. The UFC has the right weight division model in my opinion. While size does matter in MMA, it's less of a factor than in boxing.

[Enlightened-One]

I see what you are saying now. It was worded weird to me. I think instead of making a division between CW & HW, they should just add a Super Heavy division. Say 130 and above. Or maybe extend the CW range to 210. I just don't like the idea of so many divisions. The UFC has the right weight division model in my opinion. While size does matter in MMA, it's less of a factor than in boxing.

The UFC does actually have a super-heavyweight division, but either the fighters or Dana White and his team refrain from using it.

Fighters like Brock Lesnar actually have to lose weight for their bouts for fear of not making the official weight limit.

The weight limit is so unreasonably for UFC heavyweights that very few competitors would be big enough to compete in it, which is probably the reason why it’s unused.

Joe Rogan explained this during one of his podcasts.

[Impractical Poster]

The UFC does actually have a super-heavyweight division, but either the fighters or Dana White and his team refrain from using it.

Fighters like Brock Lesnar actually have to lose weight for their bouts for fear of not making the official weight limit.

The weight limit is so unreasonably for UFC heavyweights that very few competitors would be big enough to compete in it, which is probably the reason why it’s unused.

Joe Rogan explained this during one of his podcasts.

Do you mean other MMA organizations offer a shw division?

I can understand why the UFC doesn't allow a 165+ division, though.

[Best Coast]

Spence didn't exactly crush Mikey.

Very unlikely Danny Garcia will.

I've got Danny a narrow favorite. It's a winnable fight for Mikey but if he loses to Danny he definitely needs to drop down to 140.

[SenorPipino]

I've got Danny a narrow favorite. It's a winnable fight for Mikey but if he loses to Danny he definitely needs to drop down to 140.

We really don't have a clue how Mikey performs against the rest of the pack at 147.

His performance against Spence may not be a true indication of his abilities at that weight. All in all, Mikey merely lost decisively to the best or second best welter on the planet. Pretty much all true welters would too.

So losing to Spence isn't necessarily an indication that Mikey Garcia can't be a factor at 147.

On talent, I believe Mikey can defeat Danny Garcia. Danny fights at a slower, measured pace since moving to welter. He seems a little apprehensive about the strength and power of the bigger guys.

And even though Mikey isn't exactly one of those naturally bigger guys, Danny may have already gotten himself into a mental rut where he hesitates to open up.

If so, Mikey has the talent to outpoint Danny in a chess match type fight.

[Ruthless-RKO]

[Ruthless-RKO]

Mikey Garcia 'Still Don’t Have Anything Lined Up' For Next Fight

“Look, we still don’t have anything lined up for me,” Garcia said. “I’m still looking at the options. You know, I haven’t decided whether I stay at 147 or come down to 140. So, I still wanna see what’s available. I hope that in the near future, you know, I’ll find out more about my future. But I do look forward to coming back before the end of the year.”

Adding muscle to take on Spence will prohibit Garcia from returning to lightweight for his next fight, which was why he gave up WBC lightweight crown he had owned since January 2017 and the IBF lightweight title he won from Robert Easter Jr. last July 28 in Los Angeles. Garcia hasn’t ruled out a return to lightweight at some point, however.

“I can’t do 135 in my first attempt back,” Garcia said. “You know, I put on enough weight and muscle being at 47 that I think it would be a difficult thing for me to come down to lightweight. But if I do come down to 40 first, then make that decision to come to 35, that’s a possibility. But for my immediate future, I won’t be able to do 135. Maybe 140 first, and then 35.”

Robert Garcia, Mikey’s older brother and trainer, mentioned recently that he’s still hopeful Mikey Garcia can face Vasiliy Lomachenko. Ukraine’s Lomachenko (13-1, 10 KOs) owns the WBA and WBO lightweight crowns and could capture the WBC belt Garcia once held if he defeats England’s Luke Campbell (20-2, 16 KOs) on August 31 at O2 Arena in London.

“Yeah, well, like I said, if we come down to 40, I’m available,” Mikey Garcia said of facing Lomachenko. “But right now, we’re looking at Jose Ramirez fighting [Maurice] Hooker as well [July 27]. You know, we obviously are with Ramirez. I heard that Vasiliy might jump up [to 140]. You know, maybe get him there. There’s a lot of options going around, a lot of names. You know, I, personally, would take on anybody that’s available, besides Ramirez, because he’s on our team. But I’m sure Ramirez is available to fight anybody as well.

“And if Loma wants to move up, I mean, then we can do something there at 140. It’s just so much more talent right now, building up, with all the new champions that are young and hungry, you know, willing to fight anybody. And that’s what we want. That’s what the fans wanna see.”