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ewenhay wrote: ↑03 Jun 2019, 15:07 Well I hope he doesn't listen to your advice or he'll come another cropper sooner rather than later.

There's lots of things he needs to improve on, many of them fundamental. Writing it off as merely being reckless is just papering over the cracks. He needs proper advice at this time not sunshine blown up his ar*e

Yet another bizarre post from someone who doesn’t seem to understand how AJ compiled his resume in the first place .

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑03 Jun 2019, 18:37 Yet another bizarre post from someone who doesn’t seem to understand how AJ compiled his resume in the first place .

Yeah, let's ignore the opportunities for improvement and pretend that didn't happen. That was an astonishing post. If AJ wants it, he'll come back fine. It's the mental challenge of getting through a loss like that (not a lucky punch event). The technical flaws can be worked on in the gym, and hopefully with a new team.

interesting argument.
one the one side, this is heavyweight boxing. they always say 1 punch can change everything. and the classic moment of vulnerability is when recklessly trying to finish off an opponent and swinging punches. clearly joshua was badly hurt in the third and never recovered.
on the other hand ruiz looked really good. joshua is not really a master boxer, though he boxed fine v parker. he counts on being able to unload damaging combinations. yet ruiz showed a great chin, great competitive instinct, and an ability to out-time and out-speed joahua in exchanges.

i think we saw that these guys can hurt each other. one can imagine joshua working on the jab and coming back with revenge.
one can also imagine ruiz timing joshuas shots again and dragging him into a dog fight.
it could just be a terrible style match up for joshua.

No trainers post on boxing forums anymore? Or have all the old-timers died?

Ok, fine, I'll explain it to you men.

The shorter, high guard hooker beats the wide, looping hooker by bobbing, stepping in, and hurting the wide hooker (Joshua in this case) with a counter hook, then, when the wide hooker tall man backs off or tries to cover, the short hooker mauls him with short, compact punches the wide hooker/tall man has no room into. The tall, wide man, has to fire at range and fire hard and accurately to keep that compact, explosive shorter man off or he's dead. Joshua doesn't have the legs or the rights steps to work at howitzer range.

There, that was the fight.

TFKoB has an atg chin. That was the key to victory.

ironbeard wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 01:28 TFKoB has an atg chin. That was the key to victory.

Yeah, he took a thunderous right to the chin after he got up and walked through it throwing! I think that took some confidence out of AJ.

Ruiz Jr. showed that he can time his opponents’ shots to counter them with his own lightning-fast combinations, which is the reason why AJ was reluctant to let his hands go (resulting in a reduced work-rate). The Brit was being punished almost every time he threw a punch.

Ruiz was also able to close the distance with his lance-like straight right hand thrown from the outside (much akin to the effectiveness of Pacquiao’s equivalent shot against De La Hoya).

When Joshua stupidly tried to trade during the third-round, by going toe-to-toe with an opponent that didn’t seem overly hurt and had much faster hands than himself, the Brit ended up taking more punches than he was throwing.

Ruiz Jr. always looked calm and patient. And despite his physique, he had much better stamina and composure than the Brit had (even though Andy hit the deck first). The Mexican was clearly the more conditioned fighter.

Against AJ, Ruiz Jr. was patient, clever, he paced himself well, his body-shots were excellent, deeply impressive timing, and his fast counterpunching was highly effective.

If Ruiz Jr. can somehow repeat his feat against AJ later on this year, I’d favour him to beat Wilder, but perhaps he’d be too slow and not busy enough to overcome elusive fighters like Tyson Fury or Oleksandr Usyk. Styles makes fights.

..I don't know how good Ruiz really is and how long he will last as a champ ....I'm glad though he made AJ look like a mere mortal and beatable one at that...

vidal wrote: ↑03 Jun 2019, 13:29 For me it just came down to Joshua's inability to deal with someone with decent hand speed moving in under his punches.

I don't think he copes well with shorter fighters.

Plus, Ruiz seems to have one hell of a chin.

Ruiz is a good combination puncher too. Joshua couldn't handle that.

ewenhay wrote: ↑03 Jun 2019, 15:07 Well I hope he doesn't listen to your advice or he'll come another cropper sooner rather than later.

There's lots of things he needs to improve on, many of them fundamental. Writing it off as merely being reckless is just papering over the cracks. He needs proper advice at this time not sunshine blown up his ar*e

AJ is not a perfect fighter. His chin has shown to be suspect already. Wlad hurt him badly. Whyte hurt him. Joshua feels like Wlad during his rise. A very gifted fighter who is learning he needs to protect his chin, which means staying composed and stayed at range, keeping the flurries to no more than 2, 3 shots max. This is my general point. If you watch his fights leading up to this you see a very composed fighter who isnt getting into brawls. Brawls constitute standing in the center of the ring and throwing all caution to the wind, feet planted, trading haymakers. THIS is exactly what he did after knocking down Ruiz. Ive never seen him do this before, ever. This is something you never saw Klitschko do once he realized his chin was suspect. Even if he got a guy hurt after that he would stay composed while looking for the kill shot, not forcing, not chasing it, if it came it it came, but it always came responsibly.

Joshua couldn't roid in the US.
That's the key to victory.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 10:12 Ruiz Jr. showed that he can time his opponents’ shots to counter them with his own lightning-fast combinations, which is the reason why AJ was reluctant to let his hands go (resulting in a reduced work-rate). The Brit was being punished almost every time he threw a punch.

He was reluctant to let his hands go once his legs were incapacitated after getting belted in round 3 when he WAS letting his hands go. Watch the replay again right after he knocks Ruiz down. The 2 basically stayed plastered in the center of the ring exchanging wild hook, 4-5-6 punches at a time.. THAT is when he got himself into trouble. THAT is when his night got flipped upside down. BECAUSE he irresponsibly engaged in rockem sockem robots in short quarters, getting clipped behind the ear which shut his legs and mind down the rest of the fight.

diddy wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 12:57 AJ is not a perfect fighter. His chin has shown to be suspect already. Wlad hurt him badly. Whyte hurt him. Joshua feels like Wlad during his rise. A very gifted fighter who is learning he needs to protect his chin, which means staying composed and stayed at range, keeping the flurries to no more than 2, 3 shots max. This is my general point. If you watch his fights leading up to this you see a very composed fighter who isnt getting into brawls. Brawls constitute standing in the center of the ring and throwing all caution to the wind, feet planted, trading haymakers. THIS is exactly what he did after knocking down Ruiz. Ive never seen him do this before, ever. This is something you never saw Klitschko do once he realized his chin was suspect. Even if he got a guy hurt after that he would stay composed while looking for the kill shot, not forcing, not chasing it, if it came it it came, but it always came responsibly.

Yeah he definitely needs to adopt a safety first approach and use his reach and size advantages better

ewenhay wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 13:27 Yeah he definitely needs to adopt a safety first approach and use his reach and size advantages better

Anyone that understands anything about boxing knows Ruiz is very unlikely to beat Joshua in a fight where Joshua stays fighting behind his immense physical advantages. The only time Ruiz is ever going to have a true advantage of AJ is when theyre exchanging bombs inside very close quarters where his speed and shorter arms can do damage - the precise situation where Ruiz turned this fight on its head, when AJ was irresponsibly trying to land killshots in close quarters. After that KD, if AJ stays throwing 1, 2 shots at a time with his distance maintained and keeping patience he is almost certainly still holding those 3 belts. But he didnt.

aj had the lead hand too low, including for some reason bending all the way and sticking it out there to throw body jabs at a much short guy. he got clocked with looping shots over that low left, and didnt recover from the 3rd round

he showed he can outbox ruiz to win rounds and also effect him enough to drop him on his ass. he can win the rematch with adjustments, but also needs compsure if he gets in trouble again. uk location could help too if thats were it is

very interested in the rematch, hearn tweeted that there activating the immediate rematch clause

diddy wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 13:33 Anyone that understands anything about boxing knows Ruiz is very unlikely to beat Joshua in a fight where Joshua stays fighting behind his immense physical advantages. The only time Ruiz is ever going to have a true advantage of AJ is when theyre exchanging bombs inside very close quarters where his speed and shorter arms can do damage - the precise situation where Ruiz turned this fight on its head, when AJ was irresponsibly trying to land killshots in close quarters. After that KD, if AJ stays throwing 1, 2 shots at a time with his distance maintained and keeping patience he is almost certainly still holding those 3 belts. But he didnt.

Yeah I agree that should be the approach.

Unfortunately for Joshua though Ruiz now knows that if he can get inside he can do a lot of damage quickly. I think he's streetwise to get inside, Joshua generally repeats the same moves so can be read relatively easily. Smaller, quicker guys can exploit that.

jamamb wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 13:34 aj had the lead hand too low, including for some reason bending all the way and sticking it out there to throw body jabs at a much short guy. he got clocked with looping shots over that low left, and didnt recover from the 3rd round

he showed he can outbox ruiz to win rounds and also effect him enough to drop him on his ass. he can win the rematch with adjustments, but also needs compsure if he gets in trouble again. uk location could help too if thats were it is

very interested in the rematch, hearn tweeted that there activating the immediate rematch clause

AJ throw those stupid (for taller guy) body jabs vs Povetkin also. Who the eff told him to do this???
Povetkin didn’t use this due to the fact he is much slower than Ruiz.