Super Featherweights : Alexis Arguello vs . Floyd Mayweather jr

[elmersalsa]

A WAY better resume? I think and I don’t know how old you are, but we begin to look at current fighters as better. For instance when Floyd beat Manfreddy he was considered a top fighter. Same with Chico Corales. My point is some of the fighters Alexis beat were top 10 current former or future champions. Would Manfreddy even be top 10 in the late 70’s? The only fighter who was past his prime was Olivares and he went on to stop Chacon. I agree Oscar, Shane, Manny were all past their best. Is this Floyd’s fault? No. How do you rate Terry Norris career resume? Mugabi, Leonard, Curry, Brown, Taylor. Sounds IMPRESSIVE right? All were done and Curry gave him a helluva fight before folding and being hit while down. Yes Floyd is great and I don’t care for him but I recognize greatness. I think belts are more plentiful now and easier to achieve than in Arguello’s day. Doesn’t make his resume far less impressive than Mayweather. No disrespect meant about asking your age. Just seems when you witnessed things live as apposed to reading about them your perspective can be different

Well, I believe that the level of opposition is NOT that far from each other. Maybe The Explosive Thin Man's opposition gets the nod by a little bit, but I wouldn't argue about that. Pretty Boy Floyd was very dominant for two full decades. It's really hard to compare fighters from different eras, really. I could only go by the trajectory of the fighter's career. A fighter could only fight what is in front of him.

Who had better technique? It depends of you like. I can't say that Pretty Boy Floyd had better technique. One is a technician, and the other a boxer-counterpuncher with great defense. One had the KO punch, the other had unbelievable speed.

I agree with you that belts are MUCH MORE EASIER NOW than in Alexis Arguello's day. But, I can't buy that notion that some of the opponents that Pretty Boy Floyd beat wouldn't be champions back then.

Floyd beat 17 world champions. Are the majority of them legit? We got to see each of those Champions' careers.

[Brian Seneca]

A WAY better resume? I think and I don’t know how old you are, but we begin to look at current fighters as better. For instance when Floyd beat Manfreddy he was considered a top fighter. Same with Chico Corales. My point is some of the fighters Alexis beat were top 10 current former or future champions. Would Manfreddy even be top 10 in the late 70’s? The only fighter who was past his prime was Olivares and he went on to stop Chacon. I agree Oscar, Shane, Manny were all past their best. Is this Floyd’s fault? No. How do you rate Terry Norris career resume? Mugabi, Leonard, Curry, Brown, Taylor. Sounds IMPRESSIVE right? All were done and Curry gave him a helluva fight before folding and being hit while down. Yes Floyd is great and I don’t care for him but I recognize greatness. I think belts are more plentiful now and easier to achieve than in Arguello’s day. Doesn’t make his resume far less impressive than Mayweather. No disrespect meant about asking your age. Just seems when you witnessed things live as apposed to reading about them your perspective can be different

Well, I believe that the level of opposition is NOT that far from each other. Maybe The Explosive Thin Man's opposition gets the nod by a little bit, but I wouldn't argue about that. Pretty Boy Floyd was very dominant for two full decades. It's really hard to compare fighters from different eras, really. I could only go by the trajectory of the fighter's career. A fighter could only fight what is in front of him.

Who had better technique? It depends of you like. I can't say that Pretty Boy Floyd had better technique. One is a technician, and the other a boxer-counterpuncher with great defense. One had the KO punch, the other had unbelievable speed.

I agree with you that belts are MUCH MORE EASIER NOW than in Alexis Arguello's day. But, I can't buy that notion that some of the opponents that Pretty Boy Floyd beat wouldn't be champions back then.

Floyd beat 17 world champions. Are the majority of them legit? We got to see each of those Champions' careers.

Fair enough. I agree Floyd is special. Alex was slow but what a technically great boxer! Can’t throw a straighter right hand

[elmersalsa]

Well, I believe that the level of opposition is NOT that far from each other. Maybe The Explosive Thin Man's opposition gets the nod by a little bit, but I wouldn't argue about that. Pretty Boy Floyd was very dominant for two full decades. It's really hard to compare fighters from different eras, really. I could only go by the trajectory of the fighter's career. A fighter could only fight what is in front of him.

Who had better technique? It depends of you like. I can't say that Pretty Boy Floyd had better technique. One is a technician, and the other a boxer-counterpuncher with great defense. One had the KO punch, the other had unbelievable speed.

I agree with you that belts are MUCH MORE EASIER NOW than in Alexis Arguello's day. But, I can't buy that notion that some of the opponents that Pretty Boy Floyd beat wouldn't be champions back then.

Floyd beat 17 world champions. Are the majority of them legit? We got to see each of those Champions' careers.

Fair enough. I agree Floyd is special. Alex was slow but what a technically great boxer! Can’t throw a straighter right hand

Alexis uppercut and left hook were lethal, too!

[Nile4000]

No justifiable way to rank Arguello higher on the all time list frankly. He shouldn't even be within 40 spots of Floyd Jr. I'm a much bigger fan of Arguello than I am Mayweather, but that's just the way it is.

I don’t disagree that Floyd is great. I think it was more difficult to achieve what Alexis did then compared to what Floyd did now. I couldn’t even tell you how many different weight class titles Floyd won because they came in abundance. Did he win a jr, middle title? His fights in my memory became more about his opponents than the title at stake. Yes he never won a WBO title to my knowledge, but he was a WBC darling. Now that being said he had to win his fights and with the exception of Castillo he did in impressive fashion. My point is there was only two belts then. Alexis could have easily won the WBC junior welterweight title from Mamby or Curry or Costello ( whom he beat later) but he chose Pryor because he was the best. Had Alexis fought now he could have possibly moved to welter and picked up some WBO IBC BS title. His three titles IMO mean more than Floyd’s 30 or whatever he won. Not saying Jr wasn’t the best of his generation. Just different.

Alexis is not beating Saoul Mamby.

[Tantum]

Anyone who denies that Floyd Mayweather's record is filled with a very high caliber of opponents, for an extreme length of time... Is clearly delusional.

Whether you like him or hate him, he clearly has one of the all time best list of who's who in his record, and never lost one of them.

Even fighters from back in the day who had great records like Ray Robinson, padded the hell out of their records with actual stiffs not worthy of being their sparring partners. Yet people trash talk Floyd for fighting a few game opponents who were just overmatched.

Further, you'd be hard pressed to name a half dozen fighters who literally fought everyone they possibly could, let alone one who only spent a handful of fights at each weight class. The only ones I can think of are heavyweights (stuck in one weightclass).