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Posted: **04 Jul 2019, 20:43**

jamamb wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 20:39 my bad, but either way if hes backing off out of pain thats not really a sign of improvement

besides its not like how you described, he did get into a wild exchange . improvement of ring iq? if thats what you want to think might as well go for it and see it bruh

What are you talking about???

Posted: **04 Jul 2019, 20:45**

pretty much been said, your basing his ring iq improvement off a 60 second fight where he didnt even do what you described , just seems like a reach imo, hopefully his fragile elbows are better

Posted: **04 Jul 2019, 20:47**

jamamb wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 20:45 pretty much been said, your basing his ring iq improvement off a 60 second fight where he didnt even do what you described , just seems like a reach imo

Not sure I used the term ring IQ.

Posted: **04 Jul 2019, 20:48**

is it not the same? you basically said he did something smarter

Posted: **04 Jul 2019, 20:52**

jamamb wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 20:48 is it not the same? you basically said he did something smarter

I said he showed some improvement. You said ring IQ. Now you say smarter. I observed DW disengaging in the corner when he saw that his opponent wasn't as hurt as he first thought. He also didn't go "windmill" on him. The former is my opinion, the latter is factual, bruh!

Thanks!

Posted: **04 Jul 2019, 21:07**

eh, pretty much the same thing, what is it if not a smarter approach?

Posted: **04 Jul 2019, 21:09**

jamamb wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 21:07 eh, pretty much the same thing, what is it if not a smarter approach?

I agree that is was a smarter approach.

Posted: **07 Jul 2019, 06:50**

dagilechia wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 05:16 in chronological order:

Ugonoh vs Różański - Ugonoh by KO, round 6-8, 75-25% - this will be a brawl

cs: I would probably have said Ugonoh in this one.

Joyce vs Jennings - Joyce by close UD, 55-45% - rather a snoozefest

cs: I think this will be quite a fun fight. Joyce by stoppage. Maybe 7 rounds.

Dubois vs Gorman - Gorman by SD, 50-50% - war, possibly with multiple KD's in both ways

cs: A very tough one to pick. I'll say Dubois by virtue of his greater power but it's a real 50/50 fight IMO. I don't foresee multiple knockdowns.

Helenius vs Washington - Helenius by close UD, 60-40% - likely a snoozefest, i expect a KD on GW

cs: Yes I'd say Helenius by decision. Ok then, unianimous decision.

Yoka vs Dimitrenko - Yoka by KO, round 6-8, 70-30% - competetive until it lasts, Yoka's not special

cs: Yoka in about 5 rounds.

Allen vs Price - Allen by KO, round 3-4, 80-20% - brutal KO on glass jaw DP

cs: Yeah I'd go with that.

Chisora vs Szpilka, Chisora by late KO, round 9-11, 60-40% - decent, competetive fight while it lasts

cs: I agree that one too.

Whyte vs Rivas, Whyte by MD, 55-45% - a brawl that could go either way

cs: It could but I'm going with my man, Dillian Whyte ko 6.

Ajagba vs Demirezen, Ajagba by KO, round 5-7, 70-30% - a lot of bombs will be exchanged

cs: Another good match. Got to go with Ajagba. ko 5.

Gassiev vs Dawejko, Gassiev by UD, 80-20% - Gassiev will be rather cautious

cs: Yeah gotta go with Gassiiev but Joey will be there at the end.

Kownacki vs Arreola, Kownacki by KO, round 4-5, 90-10% - Kownacki's domination and pressure

cs: Kownacki for sure. Arreola is nothing if not tough and durable, but he never was that good and he's got a lot worse. I'll be surprised if it goes past 6.

Wilder vs Ortiz, Wilder by late KO, round 7-9, 60-40% - similar to their first bout

cs: I think it coulld be another Stiverne / Breazeale one round blast out by Wilder. Well he seems to be developing a taste for it

Usyk vs Takam, Usyk by wide UD, 90-10% - Usyk will likely win every round, Takam will go forward

cs: Agree he'll win every round as long as it lasts but I think he'll get Takam out of there, possibly in as little as 4 rounds.

Joshua vs Ruiz, Joshua by KO, round 4-6, 55-45% - huge mystery

cs : I've got to back my man. AJ in 8.

what are your predictions?

My predictions above preceded 'cs:'

Posted: **07 Jul 2019, 07:05**

candyslim wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 06:50
dagilechia wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 05:16 in chronological order:

Ugonoh vs Różański - Ugonoh by KO, round 6-8, 75-25% - this will be a brawl

cs: I would probably have said Ugonoh in this one.

Joyce vs Jennings - Joyce by close UD, 55-45% - rather a snoozefest

cs: I think this will be quite a fun fight. Joyce by stoppage. Maybe 7 rounds.

Dubois vs Gorman - Gorman by SD, 50-50% - war, possibly with multiple KD's in both ways

cs: A very tough one to pick. I'll say Dubois by virtue of his greater power but it's a real 50/50 fight IMO. I don't foresee multiple knockdowns.

Helenius vs Washington - Helenius by close UD, 60-40% - likely a snoozefest, i expect a KD on GW

cs: Yes I'd say Helenius by decision. Ok then, unianimous decision.

Yoka vs Dimitrenko - Yoka by KO, round 6-8, 70-30% - competetive until it lasts, Yoka's not special

cs: Yoka in about 5 rounds.

Allen vs Price - Allen by KO, round 3-4, 80-20% - brutal KO on glass jaw DP

cs: Yeah I'd go with that.

Chisora vs Szpilka, Chisora by late KO, round 9-11, 60-40% - decent, competetive fight while it lasts

cs: I agree that one too.

Whyte vs Rivas, Whyte by MD, 55-45% - a brawl that could go either way

cs: It could but I'm going with my man, Dillian Whyte ko 6.

Ajagba vs Demirezen, Ajagba by KO, round 5-7, 70-30% - a lot of bombs will be exchanged

cs: Another good match. Got to go with Ajagba. ko 5.

Gassiev vs Dawejko, Gassiev by UD, 80-20% - Gassiev will be rather cautious

cs: Yeah gotta go with Gassiiev but Joey will be there at the end.

Kownacki vs Arreola, Kownacki by KO, round 4-5, 90-10% - Kownacki's domination and pressure

cs: Kownacki for sure. Arreola is nothing if not tough and durable, but he never was that good and he's got a lot worse. I'll be surprised if it goes past 6.

Wilder vs Ortiz, Wilder by late KO, round 7-9, 60-40% - similar to their first bout

cs: I think it coulld be another Stiverne / Breazeale one round blast out by Wilder. Well he seems to be developing a taste for it

Usyk vs Takam, Usyk by wide UD, 90-10% - Usyk will likely win every round, Takam will go forward

cs: Agree he'll win every round as long as it lasts but I think he'll get Takam out of there, possibly in as little as 4 rounds.

Joshua vs Ruiz, Joshua by KO, round 4-6, 55-45% - huge mystery

cs : I've got to back my man. AJ in 8.

what are your predictions?
My predictions above preceded 'cs:'

your predictions are not far from mine

hovewer, i have failed in predicting Ugonoh-Rózański so i don't know if that's good

Posted: **07 Jul 2019, 09:42**

Dubois is the favourite with the bookies but I feel like more people are going with Gorman.

also I think wilder will make an easier job of Ortiz and finish him inside 6.

Posted: **07 Jul 2019, 09:48**

Boxing101101 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 09:42 Dubois is the favourite with the bookies but I feel like more people are going with Gorman.

also I think wilder will make an easier job of Ortiz and finish him inside 6.

Dubois is only about a 2-1 favorite. Odds opened closer to 3-1.

I think Dubois will batter him convincingly. But fans seem to identify more with a guy like Gorman and are putting their money on him. Bad move on their part.

Posted: **07 Jul 2019, 11:55**

dagilechia wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 07:05
candyslim wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 06:50

My predictions above preceded 'cs:'
your predictions are not far from mine

hovewer, i have failed in predicting Ugonoh-Rózański so i don't know if that's good

I would have picked Ugonoh as well so don't feel too bad. I think maybe pre-Breazeale Ugonoh would have done very much better but now his self-belief has gone into a tail-spin. This happens a lot. It's like in football when the favourites score the first goal against the underdogs after say, 75 minutes and twenty minutes later they have won 4-0.

Posted: **08 Jul 2019, 09:39**

dagilechia wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 05:16 in chronological order:

Ugonoh vs Różański - Ugonoh by KO, round 6-8, 75-25% - this will be a brawl

Late on this one. I would have gone wit Izu by KO

dagilechia wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 05:16 Joyce vs Jennings - Joyce by close UD, 55-45% - rather a snoozefest

I am gonna go with Jennings UD. Lets see if I am right and if the judges agree =P

dagilechia wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 05:16 Dubois vs Gorman - Gorman by SD, 50-50% - war, possibly with multiple KD's in both ways

Dubois KO. Somwhere in the middle rounds. Too much power for Gorman.

dagilechia wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 05:16 Helenius vs Washington - Helenius by close UD, 60-40% - likely a snoozefest, i expect a KD on GW

Helenius by KO. Helenius is a real boxer. Washington is athlete who picked up boxing. Quality will show on fight night.

dagilechia wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 05:16 Yoka vs Dimitrenko - Yoka by KO, round 6-8, 70-30% - competetive until it lasts, Yoka's not special

Yoka by KO. MAybe UD if Dimi is there only to survive.

dagilechia wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 05:16 Allen vs Price - Allen by KO, round 3-4, 80-20% - brutal KO on glass jaw DP

I am going to go with price here. He only needs to land one and I think he will.

dagilechia wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 05:16 Chisora vs Szpilka, Chisora by late KO, round 9-11, 60-40% - decent, competetive fight while it lasts

Chisora by KO. Easy fight to pick. Szpilka never was any good. Now hes totally past it too. He does not have the power to stop Chis and Chisoras pressure will be too much for him to handle. Szpilka will be cought against the ropes with hes hands down somwhere around round 5.

dagilechia wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 05:16 Whyte vs Rivas, Whyte by MD, 55-45% - a brawl that could go either way

This is a hard one. I hope that Whyte can make it. Whyte by KO.

dagilechia wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 05:16 Ajagba vs Demirezen, Ajagba by KO, round 5-7, 70-30% - a lot of bombs will be exchanged

Ajagba by KO in the early rounds.

dagilechia wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 05:16 Gassiev vs Dawejko, Gassiev by UD, 80-20% - Gassiev will be rather cautious

Gassiev by KO. You will be surprised how easy he will make it look.

dagilechia wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 05:16 Kownacki vs Arreola, Kownacki by KO, round 4-5, 90-10% - Kownacki's domination and pressure

Kownacki by KO mid/late. Arreola is totally shot.

dagilechia wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 05:16 Wilder vs Ortiz, Wilder by late KO, round 7-9, 60-40% - similar to their first bout

Wilder KO in late rounds. Ortiz is live dog but I think he can't catch Wilder. He will tire in the late rounds and Wilder will blast him out.

dagilechia wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 05:16 Usyk vs Takam, Usyk by wide UD, 90-10% - Usyk will likely win every round, Takam will go forward

Usyk by easy UD. Maybe stoppage in hard brawl if he decides to really go for it.

dagilechia wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 05:16 Joshua vs Ruiz, Joshua by KO, round 4-6, 55-45% - huge mystery

Hard one to call. I say Ruiz has hes number and KO's him again.

dagilechia wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 05:16 what are your predictions?

Lets see how it turns out

Posted: **08 Jul 2019, 10:01**

Here goes:

• Ugonoh vs. Różański = Różański (KO)
• Joyce vs. Jennings = Joyce (KO)
• Dubois vs. Gorman = Gorman (Points)
• Helenius vs. Washington = Helenius (Points)
• Yoka vs. Dimitrenko = Yoka (KO)
• Allen vs. Price = Allen (KO)
• Chisora vs. Szpilka = Chisora (Controversial points decision - due to Del Boy's low work-rate)
• Whyte vs. Rivas = Whyte (Controversial points decision - competitive fight, but the judges will score it wide, but it will seem much closer)
• Ajagba vs. Demirezen = Ajagba (KO)
• Gassiev vs. Dawejko = Gassiev (KO)
• Kownacki vs. Arreola = Kownacki (KO)
• Wilder vs. Ortiz = Wilder (KO)
• Usyk vs. Takam = Usyk (Points)
• Joshua vs. Ruiz = Joshua (Controversial points decision - AJ will be very negative and struggle during the championship rounds)

Posted: **08 Jul 2019, 17:03**

Hey folks!
Keep them coming. I'm enjoying reading everyone's predictions in this compressed multi fight format. It's like a Readers Digest version of Boxrec CS and B&I rolled into one!

Posted: **09 Jul 2019, 03:00**

C'mon Kiwi what are your predictions?

Posted: **09 Jul 2019, 03:20**

candyslim wrote: ↑09 Jul 2019, 03:00 C'mon Kiwi what are your predictions?

x2

Posted: **10 Jul 2019, 04:00**

let's make some fun out of this to keep this topic alive and then check out how much right or wrong we were with our predictions.

1 point for choosing correctly the winner, if someone chooses the winner correctly then 1 point for choosing correctly the way of winning (any kind of stoppage/any kind of points decision):

1/14 fights:

candyslim: 0 points
dagilechia: 0 points
Enlightened-One: 0 points
Heretic: 0 points
KiwiRider: 0 points
pound per pound: 0 points

Posted: **10 Jul 2019, 17:45**

Joyce vs Jennings - Jennings by a late KO - Joyce never faced anyone like Jennings i think he will worn out and lose by a brutal KO

Dubois vs Gorman - Gorman by UD, Gorman is a complete fighter, Dubois will take lots of lessons in this bout.

Helenius vs Washington - Helenius by KO - Washington is finished in my opinion, he is not getting any wins, not in this level and he will lose by a KO.

Yoka vs Dimitrenko - Yoka by UD - Dimitrenko is tough, he is no Ustinov, not a real quitter, Yoka is rusty and he will try and will attack almost all the time but it is hard to hurt Dimitrenko and getting a legit KO.

Allen vs Price - Allen by a late KO - Price will start more aggresive, if Allen doesn’t get hurt early, he will knock him down in later rounds.

Chisora vs Szpilka, Chisora by KO - Easy to pick. Chisora was unimpressive against the Bosnian but this time he will give all he got and secure a KO win.

Whyte vs Rivas, Whyte by KO - I like this Rivas, yet Whyte is capable of producing more danger than him.

Ajagba vs Demirezen, Demirezen by a late KO - Ajagba’s first real test but it is also Demirezen’s First big and real test. He is no sheep to be slaughtered. It will be hard, lots of punch to be thrown and suffered, but he will come victorius in the end.

Gassiev vs Dawejko, Gassiev by UD, should be
close - Dawejko will produce many harm in Gassiev’s way, i am sure, yet him being an underdog and Gassiev seems to be the -kinda- golden boy having so much publicity and back-up, will get a controversial UD.

Kownacki vs Arreola, Kownacki by an early KO

Wilder vs Ortiz, Wilder by an early KO

Usyk vs Takam, Usyk by UD

Joshua vs Ruiz, Joshua by KO

Posted: **11 Jul 2019, 11:42**

• Ugonoh vs. Różański = Różański (KO 4) This one's a freebie I guess, like the middle spot in bingo.
• Joyce vs. Jennings = Joyce (TKO 10), Jennings is transitioning from contender to gatekeeper
• Dubois vs. Gorman = NC 3, accidental clash of heads. Both these guys have huge noggins, it's gonna happen.
• Helenius vs. Washington = Helenius (TKO 7). Helenius is less spent, just beat Teper, and as someone noted, is an actual boxer
• Yoka vs. Dimitrenko = Yoka (RTD 10). Knocked down in 4th and 7th, Dimitrenko corner-retires after uneventful 10th round.
• Allen vs. Price = Price (TKO 6). Allen tries to match heights with Price and falls short.
• Chisora vs. Szpilka = Szpilka (DQ 5) Dirty fight on both sides until Chisora DQed for biting. Szpilka earlier docked for low blows and inciting a football riot.
• Whyte vs. Rivas = Whyte (SD 12) Rivas outboxes Whyte but coasts in later rounds, losing 115-113 on 2 cards
• Ajagba vs. Demirezen = Ajagba (UD 12) Modern-day Ibeabuchi vs. Tua, lots of slugging but dominated by Ajagba in wide UD
• Gassiev vs. Dawejko = Gassiev (UD 10) 100-90 on all 3 cards, even CJ Ross's
• Kownacki vs. Arreola = Kownacki (TKO 8) Arreola shocks with a flash 2nd round KD...then it's all downhill
• Wilder vs. Ortiz = Wilder (KO 4). Not quite like the Wilder-Stiverne rematch, but Ortiz is now another year and a half older.
• Usyk vs. Takam = Usyk (UD 12) Usyk makes Takam look flat-footed, but takes a few good shots along the way to wide UD
• Joshua vs. Ruiz = Cancelled due to injury (there has to be one)

Posted: **11 Jul 2019, 14:36**

Betro09 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2019, 17:45 Joyce vs Jennings - Jennings by a late KO - Joyce never faced anyone like Jennings i think he will worn out and lose by a brutal KO

Isn't he known for his very good stamina?

Yoka vs Dimitrenko - Yoka by UD - Dimitrenko is tough, he is no Ustinov, not a real quitter, Yoka is rusty and he will try and will attack almost all the time but it is hard to hurt Dimitrenko and getting a legit KO.

To me, Dimitrenko is a quitter. When he gets punched, when he gets hurt, he automatically looks like he don't want to be in the ring.

Chisora vs Szpilka, Chisora by KO - Easy to pick. Chisora was unimpressive against the Bosnian but this time he will give all he got and secure a KO win.

I also think that Chisora will knock Szpilka out, but to me it looks close, at least on the paper, i wouldn't bet money on that. btw, Gashi is an Albanian from Kosovo, not Bosnian.

Ajagba vs Demirezen, Demirezen by a late KO - Ajagba’s first real test but it is also Demirezen’s First big and real test. He is no sheep to be slaughtered. It will be hard, lots of punch to be thrown and suffered, but he will come victorius in the end.

I think the same, the only difference is that i think that Ajagba will eventually win, not Demirezen.

I generally agree with the rest more or less.

Posted: **14 Jul 2019, 06:28**

after 5 out of 14 fights:

candyslim - 5/10 points
pound per pound - 5/10 points
dagilechia - 4/10 points
Heretic - 4/10 points
KiwiRider - 4/10 points
Enlightened-One - 3/10 points
SportsRatings - 3/10 points
Betro09 - 1/10 points

Posted: **14 Jul 2019, 10:01**

Well, i screwed up almost all of my last predictions.

Posted: **14 Jul 2019, 19:05**

Betro09 wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 10:01 Well, i screwed up almost all of my last predictions.

It's okay, those were really hard to pick fights, it doesn't happen often in boxing

Posted: **21 Jul 2019, 10:59**

after 9 out of 13 fights:

Heretic - 10/18 points
candyslim - 9/18 points
dagilechia - 9/18 points
KiwiRider - 9/18 points
SportsRatings - 9/18 points
pound per pound - 8/18 points
Enlightened-One - 7/18 points
Betro09 - 4/18 points

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