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Controversial wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 05:39 This reminds me of the thread I started before about why was Foreman so highly rated. His power was very good but he was far from unbeatable in his prime. The fact is his opponents up to fighting Frazier were average at best, lots had very poor records and many were under 200lbs. Not really surprising he was smashing these guys out in quick time. Ali knocked him out, Lyle came close to knocking him out and a feather fisted Young outpointed him. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion he would easily beat the modern HWs.

dr_devious wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 16:34
Ali was Ali and Foreman fought a pretty dumb fight against him and Lyle and Young were both fine heavies in their prime and both in George's post prime.

dr_devious wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 17:45 Post prime as in his prime dippen after the Ali beating and before his late 80s comeback.

You've got more faith than me in Wilder et al giving Big George a go. I think he'd frighten them to death and have them mentally beaten before the start. He's cut from a totally different cloth than his modern day successors.

Controversial wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 18:23

dr_devious wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 17:45 Post prime as in his prime dippen after the Ali beating and before his late 80s comeback.

You've got more faith than me in Wilder et al giving Big George a go. I think he'd frighten them to death and have them mentally beaten before the start. He's cut from a totally different cloth than his modern day successors.

I'd go as far to say Foreman was a better fighter when he was older and fatter. He had learned to pace himself and the extra weight made him stronger. Love him or hate him Wilder is capable of hurting anyone and Fury is capable of frustrating and outboxing anyone.

overhand_right wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 18:52

Controversial wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 18:23

I'd go as far to say Foreman was a better fighter when he was older and fatter. He had learned to pace himself and the extra weight made him stronger. Love him or hate him Wilder is capable of hurting anyone and Fury is capable of frustrating and outboxing anyone.

These types of posts have a tendency to age badly. A lot of people saw AJ as the best of the three and too big and strong for the greats of yore, although no one now admits to ever holding that opinion having seem him knocked silly by a morbidly obese midget. Wilder while a dangerous puncher is an accident waiting to happen and Fury has been down several times and struggled with a very mediocre Wallin. Why not just wait until you know more about them before picking them over George Foreman?

overhand_right wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 18:52

Controversial wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 18:23

I'd go as far to say Foreman was a better fighter when he was older and fatter. He had learned to pace himself and the extra weight made him stronger. Love him or hate him Wilder is capable of hurting anyone and Fury is capable of frustrating and outboxing anyone.

These types of posts have a tendency to age badly. A lot of people saw AJ as the best of the three and too big and strong for the greats of yore, although no one now admits to ever holding that opinion having seem him knocked silly by a morbidly obese midget. Wilder while a dangerous puncher is an accident waiting to happen and Fury has been down several times and struggled with a very mediocre Wallin. Why not just wait until you know more about them before picking them over George Foreman?

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 08:22 What I find amusing is I'd strongly favor the young and Lyle George faced over any of these guys.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 08:22 What I find amusing is I'd strongly favor the young and Lyle George faced over any of these guys.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 12:37 If Lyle was fighting today, we probably would be in the "Ron Lyle era". And some people would be saying how he would destroy Foreman, Ali, Young, and Quarry,

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 19:46 At his physical prime, Foreman was simply a rehydrated cruiserweight by modern standards.

George Foreman’s mathematical average weight was 217lbs from the start of his career through until the end of 1973. He was 217½lbs when he faced Joe Frazier in 1973. He was also only 6’ 3.5” in height.

From the start of his career through until 1973, the average George Foreman opponent was typically 6’ 0” in height, weighing around the 206lbs mark.

Unsurprisingly, Foreman weighed more than 92% of his opponents, with only three of those heavier fighters being taller him.

It seems that people are allowing nostalgia to cloud their judgement to the point where they either believe that “size doesn’t matter” or they feel that George Foreman was a bigger heavyweight than he really was.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 19:46 At his physical prime, Foreman was simply a rehydrated cruiserweight by modern standards.

George Foreman’s mathematical average weight was 217lbs from the start of his career through until the end of 1973. He was 217½lbs when he faced Joe Frazier in 1973. He was also only 6’ 3.5” in height.

From the start of his career through until 1973, the average George Foreman opponent was typically 6’ 0” in height, weighing around the 206lbs mark.

Unsurprisingly, Foreman weighed more than 92% of his opponents, with only three of those heavier fighters being taller him.

It seems that people are allowing nostalgia to cloud their judgement to the point where they either believe that “size doesn’t matter” or they feel that George Foreman was a bigger heavyweight than he really was.

dr_devious wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 07:20 Wilder could wobble Big George and maybe put him down but do you see him keeping him down?

Fury could fiddle around with Big George for a while but do you think he keeps him away for more than a few rounds?

And do you see either of them having the chins to be able to withstand Foreman's power punches?

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 21:36 Once the maniacally defensive  Kalan was eliminated and the infantile mythical fights was relocated, the thoughts were this could return to a serious discussion about boxing history, but, alas, the recent stupidity of Foreman proves otherwise.

No need to publicly shame the miscreants who will recognize themselves soon enough.

The 6-4 Foreman is obviously taller with more bone and muscle mass than the 6-3 Norton and Ali. He debuted at 219 lb, age 20, and at the same age Ali first touched the 200 mark. Moreover George was withheld water and nutrition in the last day and fight night to make him more surly and destructive while under the regrettable Sadler who sold George down the river in Zaire. Norton turned pro at 205, age 24. Wlad turned pro age 20 at 220. Only thing small here is the intellect thinking George is a small heavy. After ditching Sadler to swing with Clancy, he jumps to 224-231 because now he's allowed small portions of food and drink. Today he'd be hydrated out the gills and muscled up like nobody's biz because they'd have him on a body weight/weight lifting program. 

AJ! Kalan still rules your hearts, minds, and souls so admit it. AJ set some modern day records probably to never be repeated for 100 years and may well be back where he started if he regains his belts.

Ruiz a midget! He's formidable looking in the 240s, now you dullards pray tell me when you've ever seen a one off build like this in boxing? In the 260s for Josh his pant size near the same as Josh, but compare the inseam to his stumps. He's got a longer upper body than the 6-6 Josh. The Dempsey dumpster would be telling us he's a lightheavy if he was still around! Only thing midget here is your demonstrable IQs.



If Ali and Young had defensive genius they would not have ended up in such a pitiable, dangerously derelict condition...duh!!!

The only guy to definitively beat Foreman was Tommy, and even he risked DQ by turning his back to walk away from old, slow George by then. Zaire was an orchestrated and documented French Farce, and all Jimmy did was stink and run from his beating until he was lucky enough to walk the exhausted George being ducked by Ali for the flash KD. George had Mr. Evan Field hanging on for his life, and point in fact after Ali and Field took beatings by George, they looked like stink as their KO% shrunk to your popcorn levels. Briggs ran like the school girl he really is.

You sweethearts have yet to rise above the infantile mythical fights section. Time to firm up the flab lest ye dissolve into a tub of communal goo.

Controversial wrote: ↑02 Oct 2019, 05:46

dr_devious wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 07:20 Wilder could wobble Big George and maybe put him down but do you see him keeping him down?

Fury could fiddle around with Big George for a while but do you think he keeps him away for more than a few rounds?

And do you see either of them having the chins to be able to withstand Foreman's power punches?

Its HW boxing, Wilder can punch very hard, he has shown very good one punch power. Anyone with that kind of power can knock anyone out if he lands flush. Yes of course Foreman could knock him out too. Same for Fury, he has the ability to make an awkward fight with anyone, his size, speed and unconventional style allows that. Yes again Foreman has the ability to knock him out but also Fury has the ability to spoil and frustrate and nicking it on points. To give neither a chance is silly.

dr_devious wrote: ↑02 Oct 2019, 08:12

Controversial wrote: ↑02 Oct 2019, 05:46

Its HW boxing, Wilder can punch very hard, he has shown very good one punch power. Anyone with that kind of power can knock anyone out if he lands flush. Yes of course Foreman could knock him out too. Same for Fury, he has the ability to make an awkward fight with anyone, his size, speed and unconventional style allows that. Yes again Foreman has the ability to knock him out but also Fury has the ability to spoil and frustrate and nicking it on points. To give neither a chance is silly.

Neither Fury nor Wilder have the punch resistance to survive a monster like Foreman and to think otherwise is silly.