Results that look worse over time?

[Cyclops]

I’ll toss a hand grenade into the discussion.

Fury-Klitschko.

If you follow the narrative that AJ was never that good and still KO’d Wladimir, then never looked amazing again before being demolished by a fat little blob, and then throw in that Wlad had previously gone 12 with the very ordinary Bryant Jennings, then Wlad was very possibly a fighter on a serious decline. Throw in Fury’s dropping out of the rematch, the pathetic dross he’s fought since (Wilder fight excluded, although in terms of heavyweight history Wilder is CRAP) and there isn’t really that much evidence to support the theory of Fury’s brilliance.

Fury just got lucky and beat a very faded champ.

Discuss.

Fair points but it was still a great win for Fury. Wlad, as diminished as he might have been, and as flawed as he always was ( already comprehensively beaten by both Brewster and Sanders etc ) was still reigning champ and had reigned for a long time. Very few here gave Fury a chance to win that night.

I don't necessarily think it but I was just putting it out there as a maybe.

[Grilling Machine]

If you look at Fury's three best opponents, I think they've intimidation in common. And I think that Wlad realised that most of his fears were unfounded, which is why he was so hungry for the rematch, and Fury wouldn't give it because he was wise to this change in psychology.

Wallin wasn't overly scared, nor Fury of him. So in that fight we saw Fury throwing telegraphed rights that Wallin was able to evade throughout the first half (his only impressive ability, really). He did show signs of being scared of Fury when he tired, but he's about as ordinary a heavy as you'll find. I think it's been convenient that the likes of Parker and Ruiz have been ranked consistently below Fury since 2015, because that's allowed him to dismiss them when their lack of intimidation might cause him serious problems.

I think it's interesting to ponder if Parker might've also beaten Joshua had AJ dropped him and rushed in. Because Ruiz wasn't winning until then. Joshua has a mental mountain to overcome now, because everyone he faces will remember him turning his back. Comparisons to Lewis are moot, since he was dropped by great righthands and either willing to continue at 10 or trying to get there.

[fizzjambo]

If you look at Fury's three best opponents, I think they've intimidation in common. And I think that Wlad realised that most of his fears were unfounded, which is why he was so hungry for the rematch, and Fury wouldn't give it because he was wise to this change in psychology.

Wallin wasn't overly scared, nor Fury of him. So in that fight we saw Fury throwing telegraphed rights that Wallin was able to evade throughout the first half (his only impressive ability, really). He did show signs of being scared of Fury when he tired, but he's about as ordinary a heavy as you'll find. I think it's been convenient that the likes of Parker and Ruiz have been ranked consistently below Fury since 2015, because that's allowed him to dismiss them when their lack of intimidation might cause him serious problems.

I think it's interesting to ponder if Parker might've also beaten Joshua had AJ dropped him and rushed in. Because Ruiz wasn't winning until then. Joshua has a mental mountain to overcome now, because everyone he faces will remember him turning his back. Comparisons to Lewis are moot, since he was dropped by great righthands and either willing to continue at 10 or trying to get there.

It’s the biggest issue that faces Joshua from his loss isn’t it? Anyone can get caught and hurt but Joshua’s response was bizarre and his comments around it both that night and since don’t suggest he has processed it well. It is a bit strange given the nearest comparison is when he was dropped by WK. Aye he was a bit novice like I’m how he survived but he showed a ton of heart. No sign of that vs Ruiz and it’s going to be very difficult to get that back, irrespective of how the Ruiz fight goes.

[milpool]

Calzaghe's entire career frustrated me, and if i am honest, as good as i believe he was, i think he is overated in retirement for what he actually achieved during his career.

Couldn’t agree more.

[Heretic]

Every Wilder victory fits here