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Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑31 Oct 2019, 16:32 Canelo wont one punch ko him. He might hurt him to the body. Kovalev has never had great conditioning I think people foresee him fading down the back half after chasing canelo and eating body shots

Canelo is fading too and he will likely fade more due to the extra weight.

Fightdoctor wrote: ↑31 Oct 2019, 11:16 "You don't become a light heavyweight overnight". This is what Virgil Hunter said about Andre Ward, who fought most of his professional career at 168. Ward is 6 foot and actually fought at light heavy in the amateurs. So when he did move up by 7 lbs they took several fights against less-than-stellar opps before fighting for a belt. Now here we have the 5'8 Canelo, who hasn't kayoed any one at 160 lbs (Fielding was a joke) adding 15lbs to his frame and will supposedly be able to hurt Kovalev. Don't believe the hype.

Leonard and Hearns became overnight Lightheavies

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑31 Oct 2019, 00:41

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑30 Oct 2019, 22:39

If he is still a proud Russian and not a broken drunk. I do hope that he has enough pride left.

What's the difference between a proud Russian and a broken drunk

Jk jk

Drinking the second bottle of vodka.

I can see this fight ending one way. With another one of Buddy McGirt's speeches that he can't let Kovalev take any more punishment.

Lenny Cravats wrote: ↑31 Oct 2019, 18:42

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑31 Oct 2019, 00:41

What's the difference between a proud Russian and a broken drunk

Jk jk

Drinking the second bottle of vodka.

Exactly. A proud Russian is not affected by just one bottle.

littlepug wrote: ↑31 Oct 2019, 18:10

Fightdoctor wrote: ↑31 Oct 2019, 11:16 "You don't become a light heavyweight overnight". This is what Virgil Hunter said about Andre Ward, who fought most of his professional career at 168. Ward is 6 foot and actually fought at light heavy in the amateurs. So when he did move up by 7 lbs they took several fights against less-than-stellar opps before fighting for a belt. Now here we have the 5'8 Canelo, who hasn't kayoed any one at 160 lbs (Fielding was a joke) adding 15lbs to his frame and will supposedly be able to hurt Kovalev. Don't believe the hype.

Leonard and Hearns became overnight Lightheavies

Not exactly. Hearns actually had 3 fights at super middle (all world title fights) before moving up to light heavy. At light heavy Hearns fought 2 tune-ups against tomato cans before successfully challenging WBA light heavy champ Virgil Hill in his 3rd bout at 175. After losing that belt, Tommy moved up to cruiser until he retired in 2006.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/303

Leonard went from middleweight to 165 where he fought WBC light heavy champ Don Lalonde for the vacant WBC super middle title & for Lalonde's WBC light heavy title. After that he fought Hearns in a super middle unification bout, then returned to middle & super welter.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/269

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑31 Oct 2019, 17:54

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑31 Oct 2019, 16:32 Canelo wont one punch ko him. He might hurt him to the body. Kovalev has never had great conditioning I think people foresee him fading down the back half after chasing canelo and eating body shots

Canelo is fading too and he will likely fade more due to the extra weight.

What evidence is there Canelo is fading?

fanman wrote: ↑31 Oct 2019, 17:53 kovalev should be much bigger and stronger and hit harder.
canelo is quick with good defense, he doesn't give anything away, but will be at a reach disadvantage.
canelo probably hopes to pot shot and then pour it on down the stretch. i don't see kovalev getting tired unless he's made to work, and kov has more power in a firefight.
i favour kov, he may well get canelo hurt in a few rounds, and take a decision.

Yes, I wouldn't rule out a kovalev decision despite Canelo history of favourable decisions, it's quite possible that it's a pretty obvious win for kovalev.

I kind of expect an upset (Kovalev to win) What I do NOT understand is why do the odds have Canelo a 4-1 Favorite?
Is it as simple as people think Canelo will get the decision if he deserves it or not? And his chin will not let him get knocked out?

Best Coast wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 02:24

littlepug wrote: ↑31 Oct 2019, 18:10
Leonard and Hearns became overnight Lightheavies

Not exactly. Hearns actually had 3 fights at super middle (all world title fights) before moving up to light heavy. At light heavy Hearns fought 2 tune-ups against tomato cans before successfully challenging WBA light heavy champ Virgil Hill in his 3rd bout at 175. After losing that belt, Tommy moved up to cruiser until he retired in 2006.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/303

Leonard went from middleweight to 165 where he fought WBC light heavy champ Don Lalonde for the vacant WBC super middle title & for Lalonde's WBC light heavy title. After that he fought Hearns in a super middle unification bout, then returned to middle & super welter.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/269

That was Hearns 2nd visit to Lightheavy, the first time he went straight from middle to Lightheavy and then back down

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑31 Oct 2019, 14:44

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 Oct 2019, 13:22 The likes of Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Andre Ward were often accused of being feather-fisted, due to their low KO ratio, but these guys consistently faced top-drawer opposition.

The same principles apply to Canelo.

Here fight streaks which are examples of that consistency:

Edwin Rodriguez
Paul Smith
Sullivan Barrera
Alexander Brand

Amir Khan
Liam Smith
JCCJ

Your comments bear no relation to the content of my post you quoted, since you've presented those sentences out-of-context for which they were originally written.

That being said, if you insist on misrepresenting my actual thoughts and also employing straw man debating tactics, by changing the topic under discussion, because you're unable to challenge my actual words in their entirety, then on this occasion I’m more than happy to oblige.

Are you that confident of being able to successfully win an argument about GGG having faced superior calibre opposition to the names that Andre Ward and Canelo faced?

Do you really want to go down that route?

littlepug wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 04:32 That was Hearns 2nd visit to Lightheavy, the first time he went straight from middle to Lightheavy and then back down

My bad!! I forgot that Hitman held the world light heavy title TWICE. The TKO of Andries in 1987 & the UD over Virgil Hill in 1991.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑31 Oct 2019, 00:42 I'd say Canelo wins a decision. But so many smart boxing ppl are talking stoppage, it makes me wonder if I'm missing something. I mean I know Kov is vulnerable and all that, but he's no bum and Canelo aint been stopping his top level opposition even at 160. Even at 154 he was really more a cumulative thudding puncher.

Who are those smart boxing ppl?
What were their picks for Gvozdyk vs Beterbiev?

I picked beterbiev and Taylor, therefore im on an unbreakable hot streak. I like canelo by decision. Unless kov is totally shot Alvarez isnt stopping him

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 21:01 I picked beterbiev and Taylor, therefore im on an unbreakable hot streak. I like canelo by decision. Unless kov is totally shot Alvarez isnt stopping him

Cool. i am thinking Canelo by decision too.

We will have to wait and see what sort of power Avlaroid brings to this fight, going from the weigh in pictures, he has packed on a bit of beef. It will be interesting to see if that affects his stamina if it goes late or the distance.

Too many boxing politics at stake for anything other than a Canelo decision. Maybe a MD/SD (or even an attentional late stoppage) due to Kov's record but at this stage of his career he's been picked by the Canelo team for a reason...
Timing of the fight is all wrong for Kov and call me cynical but I can't see the organ grinders allowing anything other than a Canelo win.

littlepug wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 04:32

Best Coast wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 02:24
Not exactly. Hearns actually had 3 fights at super middle (all world title fights) before moving up to light heavy. At light heavy Hearns fought 2 tune-ups against tomato cans before successfully challenging WBA light heavy champ Virgil Hill in his 3rd bout at 175. After losing that belt, Tommy moved up to cruiser until he retired in 2006.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/303

Leonard went from middleweight to 165 where he fought WBC light heavy champ Don Lalonde for the vacant WBC super middle title & for Lalonde's WBC light heavy title. After that he fought Hearns in a super middle unification bout, then returned to middle & super welter.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/269

That was Hearns 2nd visit to Lightheavy, the first time he went straight from middle to Lightheavy and then back down

Hearns was 6 foot 1 with an 82 inch reach, and had freakish power. He had the upper body of a cruiserweight and the legs of a lightweight.


Canelo is nothing like hearns.

canelo by SD. the card that makes any sense will be the one for Kov.

adislav123 wrote: ↑02 Nov 2019, 13:14 canelo by SD. the card that makes any sense will be the one for Kov.

x2
Kovalev doesn't stop him, ergo Kovalev doesn't win.

squiggy wrote: ↑02 Nov 2019, 16:05

adislav123 wrote: ↑02 Nov 2019, 13:14 canelo by SD. the card that makes any sense will be the one for Kov.

x2
Kovalev doesn't stop him, ergo Kovalev doesn't win.

That is my greatest fear.
It seems every close fight the ginger one is in, he gets the nod from the judges (Lara, GGG#1 etc)
For once, I would like the cards to reflect the fight.
I'm a dreamer, aren't I?

Yesterday Dougie Fischer, The RING, made the following prediction that I also made more than six weeks ago:

I believe the number of KO predictions for Canelo has more to do with the biases against both fighters than it does with the Mexican star’s punching power or Kovalev’s inability to take a punch (to the head or body).

I think some fans are saying Canelo will blowout Kovalev to discredit him regardless of the outcome. They don’t want to give him credit for stepping up to light heavyweight, so they claim that Kovalev is “shot.” They don’t want to give him credit for beating Kovalev (if he’s able to), so they say he’ll blast the light heavyweight veteran out early (or easily). If he does that, they can say “See, we told you Kovalev was a spent bullet.”

If Canelo doesn’t stop Kovalev, or if he struggles to stop him, they will say “Alvarez sucks, he had a hard time with an old, shot fighter.”

And if Kovalev loses a decision, but legitimately wins four rounds, they’ll score it a draw or 7 rounds to 5 for Kovalev, and say that Canelo got a gift.

And they’re all mad at me for seeing through their bulls__t and calling them on it. And guess what? Those fools can stay vexed.

I've bet on kovalev points and a draw

littlepug wrote: ↑31 Oct 2019, 18:10

Fightdoctor wrote: ↑31 Oct 2019, 11:16 "You don't become a light heavyweight overnight". This is what Virgil Hunter said about Andre Ward, who fought most of his professional career at 168. Ward is 6 foot and actually fought at light heavy in the amateurs. So when he did move up by 7 lbs they took several fights against less-than-stellar opps before fighting for a belt. Now here we have the 5'8 Canelo, who hasn't kayoed any one at 160 lbs (Fielding was a joke) adding 15lbs to his frame and will supposedly be able to hurt Kovalev. Don't believe the hype.

Leonard and Hearns became overnight Lightheavies

Calzaghe did also,Spinks went to heavy in one fight.It happens rarely but elite fighters manage to make it because they have the skills,chin etc to make up for the weight differences

paddy chavez wrote: ↑02 Nov 2019, 17:26 I've bet on kovalev points and a draw

A draw is possible. Especially if Kov wins convincingly