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Re: Evander Holyfield: Best win?
Posted: 11 Jan 2021, 14:00
by Tuan_Jim
DrDuke wrote: ↑11 Jan 2021, 13:56
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑11 Jan 2021, 13:53
DrDuke wrote: ↑11 Jan 2021, 13:27
As if only those qualities mattered.
Now wipe you glasses, read again and see, that no one even suggested, that Mercer would necessarily win Tyson. What's really laughable, that's your wet dreams of Tyson rolling over Mercer, who at those times was able to take tons of punishment.
So what? Ruddock took tons of punishment as Tyson rolled through him, breaking his jaw en route to a UD.
The Ruddock fights were very competetive FFS.
You could count on one hand how many rounds Ruddock won in both fights. Competitive while getting his jaw broken and decked four, five times.
Re: Evander Holyfield: Best win?
Posted: 11 Jan 2021, 14:09
by DrDuke
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑11 Jan 2021, 14:00
DrDuke wrote: ↑11 Jan 2021, 13:56
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑11 Jan 2021, 13:53
So what? Ruddock took tons of punishment as Tyson rolled through him, breaking his jaw en route to a UD.
The Ruddock fights were very competetive FFS.
You could count on one hand how many rounds Ruddock won in both fights. Competitive while getting his jaw broken and decked four, five times.
So, which hand of yours has 6 fingers?
Re: Evander Holyfield: Best win?
Posted: 11 Jan 2021, 14:19
by Cojimar 1946
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑11 Jan 2021, 08:29
The Tyson win was awesome. Holyfield knocked the Iron out of him and ruined him psychologically. Tyson would have rolled over everyone but Holyfield that night. Bowe and Lewis were fumbling with Golota and Mercer.
Why would Tyson role over the likes of Mercer? I think durable guys who can take his shots and fight back are going to be a big problem for Tyson. What does Tyson do when he's hit Mercer with his best shots and Mercer doesn't go anywhere?
Re: Evander Holyfield: Best win?
Posted: 11 Jan 2021, 15:25
by cfang
Bowe. He was the only man to beat him in the pros. Also took guts to take him on after the first fight.
Re: Evander Holyfield: Best win?
Posted: 11 Jan 2021, 15:33
by Tuan_Jim
Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑11 Jan 2021, 14:19
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑11 Jan 2021, 08:29
The Tyson win was awesome. Holyfield knocked the Iron out of him and ruined him psychologically. Tyson would have rolled over everyone but Holyfield that night. Bowe and Lewis were fumbling with Golota and Mercer.
Why would Tyson role over the likes of Mercer? I think durable guys who can take his shots and fight back are going to be a big problem for Tyson. What does Tyson do when he's hit Mercer with his best shots and Mercer doesn't go anywhere?
What he did to Mitch Green? To Ruddock?
Re: Evander Holyfield: Best win?
Posted: 11 Jan 2021, 15:43
by Ambling Alp II
If Mercer fought like he was capable of, he would have given Tyson all that he could handle.
Tyson clearly was better than Ruddock both times, but they were not easy fights for him. He only lost one round in the first fight, knocked Ruddock down twice but one was a trip that the referee Richard Steele "missed". No reason for the fight to have been stopped. 2nd fight, Ruddock won four rounds. Tyson knocked him down twice. Ruddock had his moments here and there in both fights.
Mercer was a little better than Ruddock and certainly a lot better than Mitch Green. If he was motivated, (which he usually but not always was) Mercer would have given Tyson a lot of trouble.
Re: Evander Holyfield: Best win?
Posted: 11 Jan 2021, 16:51
by cfang
How good was ruddock tho? I know theres the softening up theory but lewis took ruddock out easy. Tyson had all sorts of problems.
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑11 Jan 2021, 15:43
If Mercer fought like he was capable of, he would have given Tyson all that he could handle.
Tyson clearly was better than Ruddock both times, but they were not easy fights for him. He only lost one round in the first fight, knocked Ruddock down twice but one was a trip that the referee Richard Steele "missed". No reason for the fight to have been stopped. 2nd fight, Ruddock won four rounds. Tyson knocked him down twice. Ruddock had his moments here and there in both fights.
Mercer was a little better than Ruddock and certainly a lot better than Mitch Green. If he was motivated, (which he usually but not always was) Mercer would have given Tyson a lot of trouble.
Re: Evander Holyfield: Best win?
Posted: 11 Jan 2021, 16:59
by oogiebe
I don't think there's any question that Bowe was Evander's best win.
Re: Evander Holyfield: Best win?
Posted: 11 Jan 2021, 21:02
by margaret thatcher
mike woulda won a wide decision over mercer
Re: Evander Holyfield: Best win?
Posted: 11 Jan 2021, 21:48
by Ambling Alp II
Mercer gave Holyfield a lot of trouble and probably should have got the decision against Lewis in good fights. If he fought that well against Tyson, he would have given him a close fight, maybe even had won.
Re: Evander Holyfield: Best win?
Posted: 11 Jan 2021, 21:51
by Ambling Alp II
oogiebe wrote: ↑11 Jan 2021, 16:59
I don't think there's any question that Bowe was Evander's best win.
I certainly agree; at least going by who was the best opponent at that time that Holyfield beat him.
Re: Evander Holyfield: Best win?
Posted: 11 Jan 2021, 22:34
by margaret thatcher
no, he shouldnt have got the w vs lewis , and he wouldve lost to tyson as well
Re: Evander Holyfield: Best win?
Posted: 11 Jan 2021, 23:24
by Onetimeonly
First qawi fight.
Re: Evander Holyfield: Best win?
Posted: 12 Jan 2021, 11:14
by Ambling Alp II
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 Jan 2021, 22:34
no, he shouldnt have got the w vs lewis , and he wouldve lost to tyson as well
My bad. Obviously another shutout for Lennox.
Re: Evander Holyfield: Best win?
Posted: 12 Jan 2021, 13:40
by Tuan_Jim
I don't think doing well against Lennox is evidence a fighter can duplicate it against Tyson. Bruno was bossing Lewis years after Tyson pulverised him. I love Mercer but he falls short of the quality required to overcome Tyson.
Re: Evander Holyfield: Best win?
Posted: 12 Jan 2021, 17:04
by margaret thatcher
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑12 Jan 2021, 11:14
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 Jan 2021, 22:34
no, he shouldnt have got the w vs lewis , and he wouldve lost to tyson as well
My bad. Obviously another shutout for Lennox.
nope
Re: Evander Holyfield: Best win?
Posted: 12 Jan 2021, 17:24
by Ambling Alp II
You mean you think Lewis lost a round in that one? That seems harsh.
Re: Evander Holyfield: Best win?
Posted: 12 Jan 2021, 18:25
by margaret thatcher
If you say so bruh, glad to know we both saw the reality that Lenny won though
Re: Evander Holyfield: Best win?
Posted: 12 Jan 2021, 18:39
by AntonioMartin
Tyson I
Re: Evander Holyfield: Best win?
Posted: 12 Jan 2021, 18:41
by oogiebe
Re: Evander Holyfield: Best win?
Posted: 12 Jan 2021, 22:30
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Tyson 1
Not really any other comes close
Re: Evander Holyfield: Best win?
Posted: 12 Jan 2021, 22:33
by oogiebe
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑12 Jan 2021, 22:30
Tyson 1
Not really any other comes close
Bowe II?
Re: Evander Holyfield: Best win?
Posted: 12 Jan 2021, 22:36
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Great win
But that is remembered for fan man not holyfield's performance
He opened a 20-1 dog vs tyson. People feared he was going to die
He kicked the crap out of him and stopped him. Tyson win was his pinnacle.
Re: Evander Holyfield: Best win?
Posted: 12 Jan 2021, 22:38
by oogiebe
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑12 Jan 2021, 22:36
Great win
But that is remembered for fan man not holyfield's performance
He opened a 20-1 dog vs tyson. People feared he was going to die
He kicked the crap out of him and stopped him. Tyson win was his pinnacle.
Who cares about fan-man, we're not talking about Holy's most popular win, but his best. Beating peak Bowe was a better win than a past it Tyson.
Re: Evander Holyfield: Best win?
Posted: 12 Jan 2021, 22:39
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Id put things in a historical context and therefore tyson is his best win
The best fighter he beat was bowe 2