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Re: Top5 heavyweights. Who beats the most of the others?
Posted: 26 Nov 2019, 14:23
by gilgamesh
marvelous marv wrote: ↑26 Nov 2019, 14:16
Wilder vs Fury should be for the number 1 spot. The winner of that fight will likely take out the rest of the list.
I'll never feel like either Wilder or Fury can't be beaten. That's part of their appeal I think. They're the top guys, they're obviously good at what they do, they're obviously winners, this can't be denied. But you also never get the feeling that they're too far away from a potential upset or defeat.
Either of them.
Nobody really seems untouchable in the Heavyweight division. That's the fun of it, and hell the past has shown us that even when somebody DOES seem that way (Sonny Liston, Mike Tyson, George Foreman) he's still beatable.
Re: Top5 heavyweights. Who beats the most of the others?
Posted: 26 Nov 2019, 14:24
by marvelous marv
He isn't a boxer. He should just give it up.
Re: Top5 heavyweights. Who beats the most of the others?
Posted: 26 Nov 2019, 14:26
by margaret thatcher
gilgamesh wrote: ↑26 Nov 2019, 14:23
marvelous marv wrote: ↑26 Nov 2019, 14:16
Wilder vs Fury should be for the number 1 spot. The winner of that fight will likely take out the rest of the list.
I'll never feel like either Wilder or Fury can't be beaten. That's part of their appeal I think. They're the top guys, they're obviously good at what they do, they're obviously winners, this can't be denied. But you also never get the feeling that they're too far away from a potential upset or defeat.
Either of them.
Nobody really seems untouchable in the Heavyweight division. That's the fun of it, and hell the past has shown us that even when somebody DOES seem that way (Sonny Liston, Mike Tyson, George Foreman) he's still beatable.
It's true. We so often want to make it so one guy beats all others, but it's not so simple. Just look at AJ vs Parker vs Ruiz. You can beat someone and then lose to someone worse or no better than the previous guy
But who would win the most/have the best chance.....that's Mr. Leshun (part Asian ? lol)
Re: Top5 heavyweights. Who beats the most of the others?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 09:50
by sturm vogel
It is not that the biggest and most skilled can never lose, but that the biggest and most skilled have most of the advantages over the competition. Therefore Fury would win most matches against his contemporaries. Reason only offends the illogical.
Re: Top5 heavyweights. Who beats the most of the others?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 10:34
by Paci
sturm vogel wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 09:50
It is not that the biggest and most skilled can never lose, but that the biggest and most skilled have most of the advantages over the competition. Therefore Fury would win most matches against his contemporaries. Reason only offends the illogical.
The only one who can beat Fury is himself, so yeah I agree with this.
I do hope that we get great fights in this Era and that the guys get paid well for their effort.
Re: Top5 heavyweights. Who beats the most of the others?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 13:46
by Tony1244
If I'm ranking them on past performance in the HW division my order would be:
1. Wilder
2. Fury
3. Ruiz
4. Joshua
5. Usyk
On ability:
1'd have AJ #3 and Ruiz #4 as I think Ruiz will lose the rematch.
Re: Top5 heavyweights. Who beats the most of the others?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 14:05
by margaret thatcher
Tony1244 wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 13:46
If I'm ranking them on past performance in the HW division my order would be:
1. Wilder
2. Fury
3. Ruiz
4. Joshua
5. Usyk
On ability:
1'd have AJ #3 and Ruiz #4 as I think Ruiz will lose the rematch.
How did you score Fury-Wilder
Re: Top5 heavyweights. Who beats the most of the others?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 14:08
by Tony1244
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 14:05
Tony1244 wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 13:46
If I'm ranking them on past performance in the HW division my order would be:
1. Wilder
2. Fury
3. Ruiz
4. Joshua
5. Usyk
On ability:
1'd have AJ #3 and Ruiz #4 as I think Ruiz will lose the rematch.
How did you score Fury-Wilder
I have no recollection whatsoever. Possibly a draw. But having Fury 1 and Wilder 2 is very reasonable, if that's where you are going with that.
Re: Top5 heavyweights. Who beats the most of the others?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 14:10
by oogiebe
Tony1244 wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 14:08
I have no recollection whatsoever. Possibly a draw. But having Fury 1 and Wilder 2 is very reasonable, if that's where you are going with that.
Margie, you should open a poll on the topic or just go back and look at the RBR.
Re: Top5 heavyweights. Who beats the most of the others?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 14:12
by margaret thatcher
Why? Just interested in how he had it, no need for an entire new thread or any effort to search the RBR
Re: Top5 heavyweights. Who beats the most of the others?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 14:27
by Tony1244
I think I did have it a draw. Of course Fury certainly won more rounds.
Re: Top5 heavyweights. Who beats the most of the others?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 19:57
by Tony1244
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 14:05
Tony1244 wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 13:46
If I'm ranking them on past performance in the HW division my order would be:
1. Wilder
2. Fury
3. Ruiz
4. Joshua
5. Usyk
On ability:
1'd have AJ #3 and Ruiz #4 as I think Ruiz will lose the rematch.
How did you score Fury-Wilder
Thinking about it a while, 8-4 rounds for Fury, I had it a draw with the 2 KDs.
Re: Top5 heavyweights. Who beats the most of the others?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 19:58
by oogiebe
Tony1244 wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 19:57
Thinking about it a while, 8-4 rounds for Fury, I had it a draw with the 2 KDs.
Um...wouldn't that make Fury win by two p;oints? not a draw?
Re: Top5 heavyweights. Who beats the most of the others?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 20:08
by Tony1244
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 19:58
Tony1244 wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 19:57
Thinking about it a while, 8-4 rounds for Fury, I had it a draw with the 2 KDs.
Um...wouldn't that make Fury win by two p;oints? not a draw?
Fvck if I know.
Re: Top5 heavyweights. Who beats the most of the others?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 20:10
by oogiebe
Tony1244 wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 20:08
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 19:58
Um...wouldn't that make Fury win by two p;oints? not a draw?
Fvck if I know.
New math!
(I'm literally LOL from that response!)
Re: Top5 heavyweights. Who beats the most of the others?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 20:16
by Tony1244
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 20:10
Tony1244 wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 20:08
Fvck if I know.
New math!
(I'm literally LOL from that response!)
Ok. I remember saying on the phone, "I think the judges had it right. I also had it a draw." With (2) 10-8 rounds I scored for Wilder, Fury obviously won more roundss. 7-5? What do you think, I'm freaking Einstein?
Re: Top5 heavyweights. Who beats the most of the others?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 20:19
by oogiebe
Tony1244 wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 20:16
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 20:10
New math!
(I'm literally LOL from that response!)
Ok. I remember saying on the phone, "I think the judges had it right. I also had it a draw." With (2) 10-8 rounds I scored for Wilder, Fury obviously won more roundss. 7-5? What do you think, I'm freaking Einstein?
Frankly I'm surprised you even remember your scoring. It wasn't exactly an exciting affair. Careful someone doesn't ask round by round!
Re: Top5 heavyweights. Who beats the most of the others?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 20:22
by margaret thatcher
None of you bois scored it until you're able to post your round by round scores, alright, let's see them bruhs
Re: Top5 heavyweights. Who beats the most of the others?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 20:24
by oogiebe
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 20:19
Tony1244 wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 20:16
Ok. I remember saying on the phone, "I think the judges had it right. I also had it a draw." With (2) 10-8 rounds I scored for Wilder, Fury obviously won more roundss. 7-5? What do you think, I'm freaking Einstein?
Frankly I'm surprised you even remember your scoring. It wasn't exactly an exciting affair. Careful someone doesn't ask round by round!
BTW - How'd did the move go?
Re: Top5 heavyweights. Who beats the most of the others?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 20:29
by oogiebe
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 20:22
None of you bois scored it until you're able to post your round by round scores, alright, let's see them bruhs
Re: Top5 heavyweights. Who beats the most of the others?
Posted: 28 Nov 2019, 00:57
by margaret thatcher
I wonder if that guy died
Re: Top5 heavyweights. Who beats the most of the others?
Posted: 28 Nov 2019, 05:36
by Paci
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 20:22
None of you bois scored it until you're able to post your round by round scores, alright, let's see them bruhs
I got nothing better do later so I gonna rewatch it and have a beer and pizza.
Re: Top5 heavyweights. Who beats the most of the others?
Posted: 29 Nov 2019, 10:57
by Tony1244
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 20:19
Tony1244 wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 20:16
Ok. I remember saying on the phone, "I think the judges had it right. I also had it a draw." With (2) 10-8 rounds I scored for Wilder, Fury obviously won more roundss. 7-5? What do you think, I'm freaking Einstein?
Frankly I'm surprised you even remember your scoring. It wasn't exactly an exciting affair. Careful someone doesn't ask round by round!
Gil is the lyric police and now you're the math police!
Hope you all enjoyed Thanksgiving !
Re: Top5 heavyweights. Who beats the most of the others?
Posted: 29 Nov 2019, 15:51
by oogiebe
Tony1244 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 10:57
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 20:19
Frankly I'm surprised you even remember your scoring. It wasn't exactly an exciting affair. Careful someone doesn't ask round by round!
Gil is the lyric police and now you're the math police!
Hope you all enjoyed Thanksgiving !
I'll try to control myself!
Thanksgiving was great! Kept it small and it was wonderful! How was yours amigo?
Re: Top5 heavyweights. Who beats the most of the others?
Posted: 29 Nov 2019, 15:56
by gilgamesh
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 20:19
Tony1244 wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 20:16
Ok. I remember saying on the phone, "I think the judges had it right. I also had it a draw." With (2) 10-8 rounds I scored for Wilder, Fury obviously won more roundss. 7-5? What do you think, I'm freaking Einstein?
Frankly I'm surprised you even remember your scoring. It wasn't exactly an exciting affair. Careful someone doesn't ask round by round!
It is amusing the way there's a lot of people wanting the rematch just because of the 12th round drama, but yeah Wilder vs Fury was otherwise boring as all hell..as it usually is when Fury fights.
The most exciting fight I've seen him in was actually the Wallin fight. I enjoyed that one.
