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Re: Luis Ortiz. Retire or Fight on?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 01:59
by Finkel
Shouldn't there be a none of the above option in that poll?
He would probably be favourite against Chisora, but I doubt the PBC would want to make that fight.
More likely he will be kept on the PBC side of the street.
Most obvious match-up would be Kownacki in first half 2020,
then to be a future "name" opponent for Ruiz Jr. (if AJ wins) in second half 2020,
then either become a journeyman gate-keeper for young prospects or retire.
The guy is "40" now, he is only going to get older and more plodding. Don't think he will cope with either of the two young PBC pressure fighters. So given the money he made from the Wilder rematch he should probably just retire.
Though I would love to see him in against Povetkin (one of peers age-wise) to get a true measure of Ortiz
Re: Luis Ortiz. Retire or Fight on?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 06:08
by RichieKnightmare
Based on his very good display at the weekend he'd beat most HWs outside of the top 5. He's got all the technical skills and boxing IQ in the world.
Re: Luis Ortiz. Retire or Fight on?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 07:12
by morm
Povetkin is my choise
Re: Luis Ortiz. Retire or Fight on?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 07:25
by Bandog
Honestly it wouldn't surprise me to beat any of those listed. A highly skilled southpaw with good power at heavy like Ortiz gives anyone at heavy lots of trouble. Hopefully one of them steps up and wants to fight him.
Re: Luis Ortiz. Retire or Fight on?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 07:58
by adislav123
Bandog wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 07:25
Honestly it wouldn't surprise me to beat any of those listed. A highly skilled southpaw with good power at heavy like Ortiz gives anyone at heavy lots of trouble. Hopefully one of them steps up and wants to fight him.
this.

Re: Luis Ortiz. Retire or Fight on?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 08:31
by tiny_acres
adislav123 wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 07:58
Bandog wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 07:25
Honestly it wouldn't surprise me to beat any of those listed. A highly skilled southpaw with good power at heavy like Ortiz gives anyone at heavy lots of trouble. Hopefully one of them steps up and wants to fight him.
this.
Yep. Ortiz would be a hard fight for anyone in the top 10
Re: Luis Ortiz. Retire or Fight on?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 08:56
by Onetimeonly
oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Nov 2019, 19:04
Joyce isn't on the list of options. But I agree.
Missed that. Voted Ruiz, pov, fatty, pulev and chisora. Almost fury, his low output would suit him. Just a bit slow of foot.
Re: Luis Ortiz. Retire or Fight on?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 09:27
by Finkel
RichieKnightmare wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 06:08
Based on his very good display at the weekend he'd beat most HWs outside of the top 5. He's got all the technical skills and boxing IQ in the world.
Yeah he looked great, until he got poleaxed by one punch man.
Re: Luis Ortiz. Retire or Fight on?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 09:41
by cormack
fight on for sure .
lots of yanks waiting to be schooled by him if they have the guts to get in the ring .
Dont see him beating any of the bigger british H/w tho
Re: Luis Ortiz. Retire or Fight on?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 11:05
by DrDuke
He had only two hard fights: Wilder KOs. He has enough left to fight on and win. I'd like to see him against Povetkin. They are quite similar: both are skilled, methodical, hard-hitting, ageing mofos.
Re: Luis Ortiz. Retire or Fight on?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 12:34
by RichieKnightmare
Finkel wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 09:27
RichieKnightmare wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 06:08
Based on his very good display at the weekend he'd beat most HWs outside of the top 5. He's got all the technical skills and boxing IQ in the world.
Yeah he looked great, until he got poleaxed by one punch man.
Mohammed Ali would have got poleaxed by Wilder. His right would knock out a rhino.
Re: Luis Ortiz. Retire or Fight on?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 12:36
by margaret thatcher
Bandog wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 07:25
Honestly it wouldn't surprise me to beat any of those listed. A highly skilled southpaw with good power at heavy like Ortiz gives anyone at heavy lots of trouble. Hopefully one of them steps up and wants to fight him.
Ya and hopefully he doesn't turn them down again
Re: Luis Ortiz. Retire or Fight on?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 12:46
by ValMar
Generally speaking, I don't like to see +40 boxers competing, but, Ortiz should be an exception. He has been managed badly for years, for me he is still # 7 HW at least.
Re: Luis Ortiz. Retire or Fight on?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 13:14
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Ortiz best win in bryant jennings. Lets see him fight some up and coming guys... kownacki is a pbc guys lets see that fight
Re: Luis Ortiz. Retire or Fight on?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 13:39
by Tony1244
I say Ortiz can beat Povetkin, Kownacki, and Chisora.
He can fight on for a bit more. He hasn't taken a tremendous amount of punishment other than his 2 KO losses to Wilder.
Re: Luis Ortiz. Retire or Fight on?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 15:15
by joshj909
oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Nov 2019, 18:33
joshj909 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2019, 18:30
Has the question changed? I definitely misread it.
It's "who does Ortiz likely beat."
I originally read it as who should he face, must've been half asleep! Changed my answer accordingly.
Re: Luis Ortiz. Retire or Fight on?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 15:24
by oogiebe
joshj909 wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 15:15
oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Nov 2019, 18:33
It's "who does Ortiz likely beat."
I originally read it as who should he face, must've been half asleep! Changed my answer accordingly.
Meh...I could've worded it better a bit.

Re: Luis Ortiz. Retire or Fight on?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 15:27
by cormack
oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Nov 2019, 17:59
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Nov 2019, 17:19
I want him to fight Danny Martz, Raz Cojanu, and Chris Hammer
You forgot Travis Kaufman!
Audley ?
Re: Luis Ortiz. Retire or Fight on?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 15:29
by oogiebe
stevec@france wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 15:27
oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Nov 2019, 17:59
You forgot Travis Kaufman!
Audley ?
These were fights he's already had.

Re: Luis Ortiz. Retire or Fight on?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 15:30
by oogiebe
A lot of Usyk backers in the forum. I'm still on the fence.
Re: Luis Ortiz. Retire or Fight on?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 15:37
by cormack
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 15:29
These were fights he's already had.
I was thinking about the quality level
Re: Luis Ortiz. Retire or Fight on?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 15:38
by cormack
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 15:30
A lot of Usyk backers in the forum. I'm still on the fence.
ha 2 southpaws hmm
Re: Luis Ortiz. Retire or Fight on?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 15:39
by oogiebe
stevec@france wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 15:37
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 15:29
These were fights he's already had.
I was thinking about the quality level
I get it. That's what we're making a bit of fun on. Audley would fit in nicely!

Re: Luis Ortiz. Retire or Fight on?
Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 15:39
by oogiebe
stevec@france wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 15:38
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 15:30
A lot of Usyk backers in the forum. I'm still on the fence.
ha 2 southpaws hmm
YA! And that too! I think we're on to something here!

Re: Luis Ortiz. Retire or Fight on?
Posted: 28 Nov 2019, 09:27
by Ron C
Ortiz / Usyk gets my vote!